Danganronpa V3 Upick! Game over!

[Crows]

Like if A50 is TOWN
and he is making this push
it is pushes like these that contribute to me not playing games.
If he's a wolf he's playing to his wincon
but if he's town, I want him specificly to know

that I am not playing games (still modding) on MS because of pushes like these.

[Almost50]

Ok, I really am leaving this time.
To anyone who gives a shit about my opinion, Almost is town. No ifs ands or buts at this point. I'll die on this hill.

Almost: I think scum roleblocked you, not Kaede. If you looked like a protective to me you could have looked like one to scum. Not to mention Tenko's flavour. I don't think Crows is lying about this but they've turned it into the entire case against you as if that's enough for you to be scum when they originally said you were scum for faking a townslip. The narrative changes to whatever is most convenient.
I can't be the only one seeing it.

I'll tell you what! If Kaede didn't target ME last night, I'm quitting playing solo with this account. OK? Maria obviously has designed the game to make OUR ROLES work against us. The neighborizer also blocks their target (blocks a TR of theirs since one would usually neighborize a TR). The Kokichi whole role served Scum no Town, although Koki was aligned with the Town.

My role would have been weakened if I targeted a Town-aligned male. There are like 5 male caharcters in this game (if I remember the claims correctly), so they can't all be scum EVEN if we assume all Scum are males (which I'm NOT promoting), so me protecting a Townie could have still hurt me.

If Kaede HARD TR'd Crows though she probably would NOT have targeted him bc of the block. With a role like this you target a soft TR.. someone you're not confident in your read about them. If they're Town then you'll probably know it in the PT. If they're Scum then at least you blocked their action.

Also, if Kaede's whom I think she is (her previous main) then she's definitely not going to RB her strongest TR, nor even one she announced she'd be targeting in the first place. Now I'm not claiming to be an expert of her play (I only played her twice before if I'm correct about who she is) but she doesn't come across as one to do random uncalculated moves.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'll tell you what! If Kaede didn't target ME last night, I'm quitting playing solo with this account. OK?

This is against site rules.

[Miu Iruma]

Can we not do these account bets please

[Shuichi Saihara]

Maria obviously has designed the game to make OUR ROLES work against us

There is minimal evidence to support this.

But hey, there's minimal evidence you even read my posts, so I guess I shouldn't waste my finger movements.

[Shuichi Saihara]

My role would have been weakened if I targeted a Town-aligned male. There are like 5 male caharcters in this game (if I remember the claims correctly), so they can't all be scum EVEN if we assume all Scum are males (which I'm NOT promoting), so me protecting a Townie could have still hurt me.

Your flavor makes very very clear sense with this. In fact if Tenko didn't have something to do with males in her role I would be quite surprised.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If Kaede HARD TR'd Crows though she probably would NOT have targeted him bc of the block. With a role like this you target a soft TR.. someone you're not confident in your read about them. If they're Town then you'll probably know it in the PT. If they're Scum then at least you blocked their action.

Hate to rain on your all knowing overbeing level of mafia theory knowledge, but Kaede's role honestly is best used as a roleblocker with the other part ignored. However, her posts make it very clear she didn't see it that way, so we shouldn't be surprised she tried to neighborize someone she literally said she wanted to neighborize.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Good night and everyone pls stahp.

[Almost50]

Like this is how the game works. You do things at night and then they resolve. If Kaede was a vig and vigged Crows, they would be vigged. If she doc'ed them they would be doc'ed. It's no different. There is no special property of neighborizing that makes it magically not resolve if you die.

This is correct.


Almost: If the

roleblock

on you went through, then Kaede's neighbourhood with you should also exist. There's no reason for one action to go through and not the other. If there's no neighbourhood, you weren't blocked by her.

Let me put it this way: Are you telling me that if you were modding a game with aneighborizer, and they were NK'd that you would still create a neighborhood for them with their target fully knowing they can't post in it? And if the neighbourhood existed form N0, are you telling me that you would still add their target to said neighborhood?? Because frankly I wouldn't do that as a mod. The action may have gone through yes, but the resulting mod work doesn't get done. It's like when a Cop minvestigates someone and then the Cop dies at the same night. You don't still send the Cop the result, do you? Why not? Their action did go through, so you should be sending them the result anyway!!!

[Miu Iruma]

Kaede's action going through is game relevant, it tells us Kaede wasn't blocked/redirected/whatever, mod not adding Crows in this instance would be withholding information from Crows

[Crows]

Like this is how the game works. You do things at night and then they resolve. If Kaede was a vig and vigged Crows, they would be vigged. If she doc'ed them they would be doc'ed. It's no different. There is no special property of neighborizing that makes it magically not resolve if you die.

This is correct.


Almost: If the

roleblock

on you went through, then Kaede's neighbourhood with you should also exist. There's no reason for one action to go through and not the other. If there's no neighbourhood, you weren't blocked by her.

Let me put it this way: Are you telling me that if you were modding a game with aneighborizer, and they were NK'd that you would still create a neighborhood for them with their target fully knowing they can't post in it? And if the neighbourhood existed form N0, are you telling me that you would still add their target to said neighborhood?? Because frankly I wouldn't do that as a mod. The action may have gone through yes, but the resulting mod work doesn't get done. It's like when a Cop minvestigates someone and then the Cop dies at the same night. You don't still send the Cop the result, do you? Why not? Their action did go through, so you should be sending them the result anyway!!!

These are quite litterally two diferent things.

Most games run on NAR and probably including this one because nothing is stating otherwise, and no one runs games that don't run on NAR.
Quoting the important bits include

Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

Misc would include neigbourizing actions.
So the Neighbourize will ALWAYS resolve first
and then the kill.
And then cop investigates.

If the neighbourizer was killed, the hood still exists, its just locked or used as a personal diary (talking in a general sense, here its locked).
if the Cop was killed, the investigation never resolves, because he wasn't alive to investigate.

[Almost50]

Because Izuru is a hydra whose heads post exactly the same so it doesn't matter if they have completely opposite reads and no real reason for anything, but won't get lynched because Crows is a major townread and soulreads them.

Ah! I see. So the question is, which of them is TRing me then and which is voting me? I don't even think I know Chisa at all, so whatever.

[Almost50]

Let's wagon Kokichi

ROTFL! You know what? You making me laugh under the circumstances is just HILARIOUS. THANK YOU!

[Almost50]

But like
A50 is just refusing to look at Kaede's role pm.
Which I can post AGAIN BTW

WHERE THE FREAK does it say she had that neighborhood activated on N0.

Ok, can you paraphrase what you see in that PT?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Let me put it this way: Are you telling me that if you were modding a game with aneighborizer, and they were NK'd that you would still create a neighborhood for them with their target fully knowing they can't post in it? And if the neighbourhood existed form N0, are you telling me that you would still add their target to said neighborhood?? Because frankly I wouldn't do that as a mod. The action may have gone through yes, but the resulting mod work doesn't get done. It's like when a Cop minvestigates someone and then the Cop dies at the same night. You don't still send the Cop the result, do you? Why not? Their action did go through, so you should be sending them the result anyway!!!

In this case, the neighbourhood serves a function. It confirms to whoever was neighbourized that they were, in fact, the target. It confirms they were roleblocked.
So, yes, I would have decided beforehand, and this is an option I could have gone with.
PMing a dead cop is pointless. Confirming to a living player they were roleblocked and neighbourized (meaning no one else was) serves a purpose and isn't pointless.
Also: Why not just ASK Maria which scenario would have happened in a hypothetical, using Kaede's flipped role? If she'll answer.

[MariaR]

Stop you know what I am warning you for this is going near the edge of OGI and I am telling you to stop if I see another post like that again I will modkill you on the spot.

[Miu Iruma]

OGI= Out of Game I....

[Miu Iruma]

Influences

[Miu Iruma]

Mum mum I did it, I solved it

[Almost50]

Like if A50 is TOWN
and he is making this push
it is pushes like these that contribute to me not playing games.
If he's a wolf he's playing to his wincon
but if he's town, I want him specificly to know

that I am not playing games (still modding) on MS because of pushes like these.

You know, I was going to respond in a "not so good a manner" but I managed to exercise some self control. It would have only served to make this thread toxic AND probably cost me your friendship, which I don' care to lose, so I'll shut up!

[Crows]

But like
A50 is just refusing to look at Kaede's role pm.
Which I can post AGAIN BTW

WHERE THE FREAK does it say she had that neighborhood activated on N0.

Ok, can you paraphrase what you see in that PT?

A. The phrase "to your neighbourhood" implies it already existed.
B. This is iffy and I rather not do it, but there is an image and it just says welcome kaede

[Crows]

Like if A50 is TOWN
and he is making this push
it is pushes like these that contribute to me not playing games.
If he's a wolf he's playing to his wincon
but if he's town, I want him specificly to know

that I am not playing games (still modding) on MS because of pushes like these.

You know, I was going to respond in a "not so good a manner" but I managed to exercise some self control. It would have only served to make this thread toxic AND probably cost me your friendship, which I don' care to lose, so I'll shut up!

I think you're a good person
this has a lot to do with my frustration on ms

[cytheflyguy]

Like anyone who's ever said someone was 100% anything when they didn't have proof should go straight on a blacklist.

Except then I don't think I could play in any mafia games anymore.

Hey man, I'm trying to keep an open mind about possible players. It's not my fault that my open mind makes people scumread me.

[cytheflyguy]

OGI

Who is this addressed to? So much shit has hit the fan that I don't know.

[Miu Iruma]

Your mum