Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Bins]

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Considering your only scumreads are 50% wrong and so are other peoples I think we need all the help we can get

[Archwing]

I dislike dunker more and more as this day goes on

[Archwing]

i'd really like keychain to weigh in today.

[DeasVail]

No idea why A50 was killed.

And Keychain, I agree with Radja/DV. But I think Radja should go first, only because DV-slot has so much nonsense around it that should make it town.


And DV, I flipped on Radja because I was doing ISOs and a lot of Radja had said was town. But it’s all fakeable. I think a team of Reck, Shea, etc. are totally capable in helping Radja fake reads and fake discord logs. He used Recks reads to avoid LLD-wagon, for example. He’s not really done anything town beyond what he’s capable of scum.

This is sort of opposite of Chesskid. His “LLD wagon is lazy” seems like what I was doing with LLD. Smocaine was vote parking LLD, but I mean I’ve played with scum buddies that death tunneled me lazily. It’s just less likely, I think.

What makes you think that Radja could fake 2790 for example?

But it's not just that. I also don't at all understand the scum-motivation for Radja to fake it. At least in my experience, a lot of Radja's frustrating posting here is quite out of character for him. And I'm sure he knows this, so why would he do it as scum when it would be most likely to just set off alarm bells?

I am genuinely inquiring about this here, as I do have moments of paranoia here and there, but I find it difficult to convert my mind to a Radja-scum world.

Are you linking to the right post?

Sorry Bins, I meant 2792

[DeasVail]

I dislike dunker more and more as this day goes on

I just really struggle to see him as scum tbh.

I try to think of how his posting comes from a scum mindset, and I just... can't do it.

[Keychain]

I will be more here at the weekend. I really need to regroup and get my thoughts in order, then maybe I'll have something useful to say. It currently feels far too much to me like wandering in the dark. Some reading and notetaking is in order I think!

Would everyone be able to rank DV, Radja and Bins in order of how much you want to lynch them?

Regarding massclaim - I'm not opposed, I think it could help narrow things down which today is definitely the day for.

[Archwing]

Would everyone be able to rank DV, Radja and Bins in order of how much you want to lynch them?

Radja then dv then bins. Why am I and dunker not in this group?

[Bulbazak]

PR has a higher chance of dying, not being able to put results

Yeah I agree with this. If a pr gets nkd, we dont know for sure What they were doing.

That's a point against mass claiming, btw.

i guess i wouldn't be against a mass claim

i just think it wouldn't benefit town to reveal the 1 maybe 2 prs left

QFT

No idea why A50 was killed.

And Keychain, I agree with Radja/DV. But I think Radja should go first, only because DV-slot has so much nonsense around it that should make it town.


And DV, I flipped on Radja because I was doing ISOs and a lot of Radja had said was town. But it’s all fakeable. I think a team of Reck, Shea, etc. are totally capable in helping Radja fake reads and fake discord logs. He used Recks reads to avoid LLD-wagon, for example. He’s not really done anything town beyond what he’s capable of scum.

This is sort of opposite of Chesskid. His “LLD wagon is lazy” seems like what I was doing with LLD. Smocaine was vote parking LLD, but I mean I’ve played with scum buddies that death tunneled me lazily. It’s just less likely, I think.

What makes you think that Radja could fake 2790 for example?

But it's not just that. I also don't at all understand the scum-motivation for Radja to fake it. At least in my experience, a lot of Radja's frustrating posting here is quite out of character for him. And I'm sure he knows this, so why would he do it as scum when it would be most likely to just set off alarm bells?

I am genuinely inquiring about this here, as I do have moments of paranoia here and there, but I find it difficult to convert my mind to a Radja-scum world.

Are you linking to the right post?

Sorry Bins, I meant 2792

Before clicking the link, I thought you were talking about the Discord convo paraphrase. What makes you think the anger there would be faked as scum? Even if Radja-scum faked the Discord convo, I'd still imagine he'd be ticked by Math's accusations, especially if it took awhile to put together.

I dislike dunker more and more as this day goes on

I just really struggle to see him as scum tbh.

I try to think of how his posting comes from a scum mindset, and I just... can't do it.

What about his stances around the Xyzzy wagon yesterday? Those are still really weird.

Would everyone be able to rank DV, Radja and Bins in order of how much you want to lynch them?

Currently: Radja>DV>Bins
Could change after my Radja readthrough.

Speaking of...

[Archwing]

That's a point against mass claiming, btw.

no mass claim -> pr gets NK'd
they cannot explain anything they've done. we can only infer from start-of-day crumbs. meh.

mass claim -> pr tells explicitly what they've done.
we now know what they know. town has more info.

???

[Bulbazak]

mass claim -> PR gets killed -> can't tell what they did on previous night
info denied town

[Archwing]

if we mass claim, we have this day phase for discussion about the pr's actions.
if we don't, and the pr gets NK'd, we end up in the same result, but with less information.

[Bins]

i don’t understand why it’s so hard to get people to understand why massclaiming in LYLO sucks

[Bulbazak]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal for you.

[Archwing]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal for you.

Same to you though

[Bulbazak]

Before clicking the link, I thought you were talking about the Discord convo paraphrase. What makes you think the anger there would be faked as scum? Even if Radja-scum faked the Discord convo, I'd still imagine he'd be ticked by Math's accusations, especially if it took awhile to put together.

Realized how stupid this was after going through Radja's ISO. The post in question was after the Titus case. I mean, I still think it's possible for it to be real anger from scum Radja, but, yeah, I get your point.

P-edit: I essentially dropped the point after making my position clear. I'll reiterate every now and then, but Bins is pushing for a massclaim in every single post. She's completely preoccupied with a massclaim, while I have no interest in prolonging the conversation just to prolong it.

[Archwing]

Okay.

Bulba, can you Poe a scum pool of 3 players right now?

[Bulbazak]

7 left. Townreads on Key and Bins. So {Dunker, Arch, one of Radja/DV}. Gun to my head, DV over Radja. ISO was good except a few bumps. Those could be scum with bad argumentation, but could also be frustrated town. I guess it depends on how I feel after some more questioning and interactions.

Radja's d1 play was good. I mean, really good. Falls apart a bit d2, but not in the way I remembered. Still somewhat solid except near the end. D3 wasn't horrible.

[Bulbazak]

Would everyone be able to rank DV, Radja and Bins in order of how much you want to lynch them?

Currently: Radja>DV>Bins

That would also change this to DV>Radja>Bins.

[Archwing]

Oshit right I forgot key basically asked this.

Can everyone answer that question please

[Archwing]

Would everyone be able to rank DV, Radja and Bins in order of how much you want to lynch them?

Currently: Radja>DV>Bins

That would also change this to DV>Radja>Bins.

Doesn't really follow from

7 left. Townreads on Key and Bins. So {Dunker, Arch, one of Radja/DV}. Gun to my head, DV over Radja. ISO was good except a few bumps. Those could be scum with bad argumentation, but could also be frustrated town. I guess it depends on how I feel after some more questioning and interactions.

Radja's d1 play was good. I mean, really good. Falls apart a bit d2, but not in the way I remembered. Still somewhat solid except near the end. D3 wasn't horrible.

[Bulbazak]

Key asked specifically about those 3. You asked about top 3 for scum in general. So I'm not sure how you think that doesn't follow?

[Bulbazak]

I'm mulling something over in my head right now, and I want someone with UCV experience to tell me if he's a clinical player or not. This is important. Thank you.

Shea want you to clarify what you mean by "clinical player". He has some UCV experience.

I'm wondering at how he'd express level of certainty. Is he word focused or number focused? Absolute certainty or never? Expressed as "mostly certainty" or via a percentage?

I hope that helps.

Radja, I'd like an answer whenever you get back.

[Bins]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal for you.

i can think of one good reason why when i imagine how LYLO goes down
i think the PRs should trust me on this

if you want i’ll start but i think we should all claim


also there isn’t much else to talk about
i have one strong scumread (radja)
but if that’s wrong then i guess DV and idk who else

[Radja]

I'm mulling something over in my head right now, and I want someone with UCV experience to tell me if he's a clinical player or not. This is important. Thank you.

Shea want you to clarify what you mean by "clinical player". He has some UCV experience.

I'm wondering at how he'd express level of certainty. Is he word focused or number focused? Absolute certainty or never? Expressed as "mostly certainty" or via a percentage?

I hope that helps.

Radja, I'd like an answer whenever you get back.

sorry busy week... Haven't been too focused on this I'm afraid. The chocolate business is busy with Easter on the horizon. Anyway Shea had already answered this quite a while ago but I missed it.

Paraphrasing Shea:
Shea believes town UCV is both very reckless and also tentative. He gets suspicious about the littlest things, which Shea thought he did because he wasn't very sure what he should be suspicious of. He isn't word or number focused, he actually doesn't seem very focused at all. The suspicions he expresses seem very random without much regard about the consequences of expressing them.

link to game Shea played with UCV: here
Shea points at post 68 until the end of the page. It's a pretty good indication of how Shea thinks UCV plays mafia.

[Radja]

Questions from cheet to everyone still in the game:

- State any reasons why you think Arch is town.
- State any reasons why you think I'm scum.

That is all. No big cases needed, just a a little explanation will do