In post 3950, bazinga wrote:so how do you think town could have played better? cos I am really interested.
- I am shocked that I got away with not only faking a PR, but also pretending to BREAK it on Day 2 and then completely stopping it altogether on Day 5 or so. I should have been called on that, and the person who came the closest to making a deal out of it was my own scumbuddy (pecan, I think).
- Porkens should have been lynched way before he was. Like, I know I was bussing him and I was also actively trying to bus him in a way that drew out his lynch as long as possible, but I don't think he should have made it past D2 tbh.
- Lovers should not have lived as long as they did. I'd have lynched the shit out of SpyreX after claimgate. I mean, really? A doc/lover combo role in a game where every other role is very basic? Not to mention the balance of doc/doc/bp/rb/watcher/cop is incredibly strong even with the lover as a weakness.
- Pecan's cop claim shouldn't have stood as long as it did. Honestly, that was a gambit we made after morph's botched BP claim. When they claimed X-shot BP that *knew* they'd been hit, we knew that either there was a second killer out there (unlikely) or they were lying. We also knew that based on our setup information, X-shot really meant 1-shot (or morph was lying about their role altogether in some sort of town gambit to save SpyreX from a bad lynch). So we managed to get the 1-shot part into the fakeclaim before morph claimed it for their role, which lent it some credence. I still don't think the claim should have been allowed to stand, though.
- Town apathy and compromise lynches really hurt them this game. I feel like I, as scum, fought the hardest to avoid compromise lynches, and that's a bad sign.
- The fact that I was able to rail against compromise lynches and then repeatedly jump off my top suspect for a compromise lynch should never have been allowed. I lynched both EPM and myko as compromise lynches WHILE my top suspects were voting them both times. I have no idea how I got away with that.
Also, fuck site meta. Bad town play is still bad town play, and it always will be. I'm not going to compromise that just because people refuse to learn better game strategy.
In post 3952, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I was following the game too but very perfunctorily. I think it is natural for scum to side with the people they manipulated at endgame because no scum wants to say at endgame (Ha, look at how well we fooled you!) because that sort of meta will cause them to be suspected even more in future games and given less of a benefit of the doubt. They would much rather blame it on the players they got lynched. I still think saying that it was Pasch's fault that town lost is a bit of a stretch. This is coming from a mostly uninformed perspective and I haven't verified the truth of Pasch's statements that he "opposed" town wagons and pushed scum. It looked from his votes that his scumhunting was average at best and he did defend Spyrex. But if what he says is true (his implication that he called out all the scum and town didn't listen to him), then everyone is at fault for not re-evaluating although I actually doubt the truth of the statement and I am not sure where exactly Pasch seemingly played so well. Point is, I think everyone (inluding Pasch) share the blame equally for the town loss and the scum played well. I felt Spyrex was scummy while reading the thread but wasn't sure about anything or anyone else.
I don't think Pasch is responsible for losing the game at all. I wouldn't blame anyone for the loss, and I think it's equally shared between poor town play and scum capitalizing on any advantages we could create. I do, however, believe that Pasch's playstyle directly contributed to his own lynch (which by chance happened to end the game, but that was not the point I was making), and I think his comments at the end of that day simply refused to recognize that. Additionally, randomly saying people are scum and actually making a case to argue for them to be scum are two VERY different things. Pasch did way more of the former than the latter, and it was a strong point that I used against him in trying to get him lynched.
Also, I'm not sure who you think I'm "siding" with. I've already readily called out where I think the town could have improved, and I've made specific comments about morph's play (because I think they're the kind of players who will take constructive feedback in stride and use it to improve their game).
In post 3953, Paschendale wrote:I played about average, but this game continued a long trend where most people seem to simply suck at reading me, and I'm wrongly run up quite often. People don't like my style. Big games like this one are a lot less fun than smaller (12-13 player) games. Everything is way too chaotic in the beginning.
It's weird how badly MoS wants to defend this, though. Town mislynched and lost. It happens. Why do you want to make this personal?
I made one comment in response to your comments before you were lynched (which I obviously couldn't respond to candidly because the game wasn't over yet), and a bunch of people (some of which didn't even play in this game) jumped out to defend you and question my statement. Everything after that has just been fallout. So no, it's not personal, I just think you need to reevaluate how to use your playstyle in a way that actually benefits the town rather than hurting it.
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