Miccro 821: Welcome Micc Mafia! (D1)

[Alonzo]

I will tell E! what I think of his tool after the game...I agree theres so muchcool stuff he can do with it.

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OK, so, after much waiting, I think I have the time and energy to give a read on everyone. But first let me address some things.

351 was not my

only

reason for adding bill to the scum list, but why is it that someone accuses bill of being completely anti-town and all bill responds with is a weird face?

Oh yeah, and I understand where you are coming from with the play-by-play of the scale. For these reads I will only give out my score at the very end.

[schadd_]

VC 1.6

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(3): PenguinPower 176, horrordude0215 209, bill1148 339

bill1148

(2): UC Voyager 335, Alonzo 381

PenguinPower

(1): Rob14 281

Rob14

(1): 2 718281828459 170

Not Voting

(0):

Day 1 will end September 4/18 at 10am (in (expired on 2018-09-04 10:00:00)) or when a majority is reached.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Mod Notes:

im filling in for aristophanes, as he is busy getting breakfast at the moment

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(Let me start by saying that this is my 4th game and I have a 0-3 record. And also that I recently got insanely busy so posting 3-7 times per day like I used to do is only an option on weekends.)

Let's start with

Alonzo

. Much of the early game is fluff. From 130 to (with the exception of 150 and 181),
Not sure what to make of 193... seems like it could be either scum thinking a (mis)lynch will happen soon, or just generic NAI excitement.
Alonzo also promised to share detailed stances "soon" as of Tuesday, and AFAICT they either never came or were so interspersed in Alonzo's 51 tiny posts (1-2 sentences usually) that I could not find them.
I feel like "It's my Town meta!!" is more of a defense that is designed to make it difficult to refute. And of course if you know your town meta then you can try to play to it as scum.
So I think Alonzo is a scum lean. Nothing really jumps out to move him below a

3

.

Moving on to Bill. Bill's early game seems a little bit like town, but recently that has dropped considerably. I cannot get past how Bill was accused of doing nothing to the town and responded with a face. I would think that a town player would try to show why the claim is wrong. However, in some sense, bill feels a bit like how I was in Newbie 1877 on day 3. I was town there and annoyed with how everything was happening so close to the deadline and we ended up mislynching a person (Crimson97) who I never really thought was that scummy. I got mislynched day 4 for a lot of the stuff I did in late day 3.
I just realized that connection which makes me re-think the Bill lynch. I am putting Bill at a

4

for now. If Bill is scum I think I want to wait for day 2 to lynch him.

Next on the list is horrordude. Horrordude has been consistently trying to analyze the situation, crack open tough nuts, and get reactions out of people. I would have to give them a solid

6.5

for this performance.

Halfway there... now for Inferno + Rob14. I think we can all agree that 34 and 40 were terrible, and 84's appeal to lack of skill is useless. OK, ok, early game was terrible. Let's just bypass 105's unsubstantiated reads and 139's resignation...
OK, you know I cannot seriously overlook a bunch of low-quality posts. At this point Inferno replaced out and in came Rob. How does Rob say someone (i.e. me) is "solid town" and that it "would take a cop result" in the first four pages? (I mean, personally, this reads as a scum trying to tie himself to a townie to make them both suspicious.)
I also hate how Rob puts so much blame on PenguinPower (who, incidentally, before reading PP's ISO I would say PP is in the 4-5 range from what I remember), and has made several anti-analysis and anti-questioning posts in 292.
Oh yeah, and Rob, you contradicted yourself. If I am solid town, how are Bill and UCV more townish than I am? (293).
358 next to cements this. I have to give out a score of

1

for this slot, and I really hate how mafBlack uses the awful #FF6262 for red when I want a deep red for this, like #EE2222.

I am going to just post this now so I do not lose it, and then get to the other two.

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(The reason the read on horrordude is a single line is that there was nothing in particular that jumped out, just a steady stream of town play.)

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All right, now for MafMen + UC Voyager.
Well, just UCV. MafMen did some stuff but it all just confuses me. Yeah, MM did the townread on me that flipped to a scum read without any real explanation, but MM did comparably few posts before the replace out that I kind of just want to pretend those posts do not exist.
I have figured out what UCV means about me not scum hunting, so now I think that post may be more town. His aggressive attitude seems like a townie who is naturally aggressive, although one thing that holds me back here is that UCV has accused bill very harshly and has no real evidence. So I think I want to give UCV a

4.5

, although I could be persuaded to make this higher.

PenguinPower seems like another aggressive townie early on. The entire game PP seems to want to get information while debunking posts that he thinks are false. (Evidence: 296 and especially 298)
I also like the way that he brought up Alonzo not giving out the reads that he mentioned on Tuesday. Like with horrordude, not that much

in particular

jumps out, other than what I mentioned. However the town play is weaker (there are lots of small NAI posts mixed in) so I think I give this player a

5.5

.

(By the way, 372 links to the wrong game -- you mean Newbie 1876, right? Where I was scum and lost terribly?)

[Alonzo]

Hmm, better, Ifeel like you over scored me earlier and are compensating down now. I should be UCV ball park.

[Rob14]

Halfway there... now for Inferno + Rob14. I think we can all agree that 34 and 40 were terrible, and 84's appeal to lack of skill is useless. OK, ok, early game was terrible. Let's just bypass 105's unsubstantiated reads and 139's resignation...
OK, you know I cannot seriously overlook a bunch of low-quality posts. At this point Inferno replaced out and in came Rob. How does Rob say someone (i.e. me) is "solid town" and that it "would take a cop result" in the first four pages? (I mean, personally, this reads as a scum trying to tie himself to a townie to make them both suspicious.)
I also hate how Rob puts so much blame on PenguinPower (who, incidentally, before reading PP's ISO I would say PP is in the 4-5 range from what I remember), and has made several anti-analysis and anti-questioning posts in 292.
Oh yeah, and Rob, you contradicted yourself. If I am solid town, how are Bill and UCV more townish than I am? (293).
358 next to cements this. I have to give out a score of

1

for this slot, and I really hate how mafBlack uses the awful #FF6262 for red when I want a deep red for this, like #EE2222.

"take a cop result" was hyperbole, but I did have you as my biggest town read by page 4. Also, if I wanted to "tie myself to a townie" to make us both suspicious (the reverse bus?), why would I choose the person who's the target of the biggest wagon and actively try to stop that wagon? That would be terrible play.

As for 293, because I kept reading? Bill and UC got more town. You got less town, mostly because you stopped scum-hunting until this post.

[Rob14]

Can I interest anyone in a last minute Penguin wagon? In the absence of that, can someone convince me of 2.7? I'm not going Bill, and Alonzo has actually been much better recently and on a re-read.

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Moving Forward...

I would like everyone to answer the following questions.

• Who is your biggest scum read, and why? (For me: Rob14, reasons given in post 403.)
• Should we try to get one more L-1 pressure read, or just lynch someone? (I think the former because town is still not that coordinated)
• How confident are you in the town winning if there happen to be
  two scum and five town
  ?

(P-Edit: Alonzo, I did not even remember my previous read when I read you just now. And UCV did more to actually help the town than you did.)

(P-Edit 2: Rob, OK, I understand that now, but your slot has played scummy the whole game, and while I can now move you to a

1.5

, you have not changed my overall view of you.)
(Final P-Edit (408): No. Penguin is too townish for that.)

[Rob14]

I think I'm going to think through potential scumteams for 2.7 later tonight to see if any pop out as making a lot of sense. In the meantime:

{Horror, 2.7} seems very unlikely because of [iso]209[/iso]. That's the post I see as the start of the 2.7 wagon, rather than Penguin's lone vote. I don't see that as a viable time to bus when it could kill the wagon on me.

[Rob14]

The entire game PP seems to want to get information while debunking posts that he thinks are false. (Evidence: 296 and especially 298)

Tell me how wanting to disprove a case on yourself is alignment indicative, please.

[Rob14]

Should we try to get one more L-1 pressure read

Also, saying it's a pressure read attempt removes all pressure. Just FYI.

I find it weird that you're trying to suddenly lead town when you're at L-1 after functionally lurking for most of the day. I don't know if that's weird!scum or weird!town yet, but it sure is weird.

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In no particular order:
1. I asked the questions because I realized that I needed to start being proactive and try to ask for information and not just sit back and let everyone else do all the questioning.
2. Disproving a case on yourself is NAI but the

way

that PP was doing it struck me as town.
3. Saying it is

only

for pressure

does

remove all pressure. Saying that pressure is

part

of a greater reason (i.e. that you actually think the person has a decent chance of being scum, and is a worthwhile lynch target if they do not respond) does

not

remove the pressure.

[horrordude0215]

Should we try to get one more L-1 pressure read, or just lynch someone? (I think the former because town is still not that coordinated)

Considering you're the only one at L-1 right now, I'm not really surprised you're trying to get town to look elsewhere.

e's read progression on Alonzo doesn't make much sense - Alonzo's lack of real content has given him ratings of Null, 5, and 3 at this point, with no real differences in his play to justify the swing.

I'm also not sure what to make of him explicitly being against a bill wagon (the most viable counterwagon to his own at this point) to continue pushing the same slot he has kept his vote on the entire day.

[bill1148]

It's painfully obvious how the rest of this day phase is going to play out.

2.718 is almost certainly going to end up voting for me, either later today or sometime tomorrow. He'll probably say something along the lines of "I don't feel good about this, a Rob lynch would be better, but I know I'm town so blah blah blah."

Rob is in a more precarious position, since he has called me the most pro-town player here. He'll do one of three things (in order of likelihood)

a) Not vote for me or 2.718, instead forcing someone on either my wagon or 2.718's wagon to switch. Then after my ass flips town, he (and 2.718, for that matter) will go around pimping about how they "knew Bill was town/had a feeling he wasn't scum" for some easy town-cred
b) hammer his scum-buddy to earn some town cred
c) hammer me

Alonzo still has a decent chance of flipping scum imo, but the entire last page between the other two almost felt like a forced distancing project.

[bill1148]

AND JUST A HEADS UP

,

I'M NOT GOING TO BE AROUND FROM NOW UNTIL ONLY A COUPLE HOURS PRIOR TO THE DEADLINE.

I will be out for the rest of today and all day tomorrow.

So if I'm put into a position to claim (which would be a huge fucking waste anyway), be aware I won't be able to do so until then.

Also, be aware that the chances of 2.718 fake claiming an ability role is pretty high if he thinks he'll be lynched IMO. I won't be around to possibly counterclaim for starters, and if he is scum, at the very least he can possibly force someone else pro-town with an ability to claim.

FINALLY, if I am indeed killed today because both UC and Alonzo (if town) are so intent on it, when I flip town, I want both of you to sit down, shut up, and do exactly what Penguin/Horror tell you to do for the rest of the game.

Now, that's all I have to say. Will be back Monday...hopefully not as a corpse.

[horrordude0215]

Yeah a deadline the morning after a holiday weekend is kind of shitty timing.

@Mod, any chance we could get an extra day (or at least until Tuesday night) to talk?

Worth a shot.

[Alonzo]

##vote: extra day

[Alonzo]

il bite

[Alonzo]

horror most of Bill angle is built on perceived indignation. Last chance to redpill??

[Rob14]

2. Disproving a case on yourself is NAI but the way that PP was doing it struck me as town.

Alright, so explain then. You based a lot of your Penguin read on the fact they "want to get information while debunking posts that he thinks are false". Now you're saying your two examples of that aren't alignment indicative based on the debunking but based on something else. I don't see that as consistent.

[Rob14]

Rob is in a more precarious position

I've come to terms with the fact that I'm being lynched today or tomorrow, probably. Or maybe vigged tonight? That's fine. I just want to stay alive long enough to convince y'all that Penguin isn't the saintly player you all think he is.

[horrordude0215]

horror most of Bill angle is built on perceived indignation. Last chance to redpill??

My read on him right now is still null like it was on the last page. I'm not going to townread him, but I'm not actively going to push his lynch today.

[Alonzo]

whats happened to the penguin anyway?