White Flag - TM2020

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Gobbles

[CheekyTeeky]

cheeky has consistently continued to push the bad lynches

Interesting. I havent pushed lynches on anyone that has flipped yet. Tell me how they're bad pushes? I have pushed only FF and Gobbles with a clear intent to lynch, the latter of which you were pretty keen on D2.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm voting gobbles. Also we have a week left so I'm fine. Lynch pool today is hop/gobbles and overall can go hop/gobbles/FF tomorrow.

[CheekyTeeky]

Actually VOTE: Hop L-1 but don't hammer please. FF's behaviour over time will be easier to gauge if we max out day lengths from this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

...you diddlehead scum. Dong/FF it is.

[CheekyTeeky]

I bloody knew it and you AtE'd me off a cliff.

[CheekyTeeky]

FF come back and tell me you derp hammered so I can disbelieve you.

[CheekyTeeky]

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[CheekyTeeky]

You had all the time in the world to respond to everything and you somehow managed to get ninja'd accidentally in this crazy fast paced game state? :crazyface:

[CheekyTeeky]

I mean only for the make-up cuddles but then it's over buddy!

[CheekyTeeky]

FF I'm coming for you.

[CheekyTeeky]

FF dies because Gob isn't going anywhere.

[CheekyTeeky]

Come on you guys can't believe that hammer wasn't a scumclaim?

[CheekyTeeky]

FF is getting off because of WIFOM. First NSG flips scum on his counterwagon then he disappears and deep hammers. If you all let him endgame I'm going to lose my whizz.

[CheekyTeeky]

Come on you guys can't believe that hammer wasn't a scumclaim?

It shouldnt be. Unless oppshammers are AI.

Its just kind of funny to me that you voted the l-1, i oppshammer, and then Im scum for it and you are going to come for my neck tomorrow.

I get that the hammer looks bad for me, but thats why as scum i wouldnt do that, it calls to much attention to me when i would have known Hoppy was town and could have waited to see if anyone else would hammer.

It's not the hammer itself it's the timing of it. You seized the opportunity knowing you could write it off and wifom again. Like I said you had the whole game to say anything, you had ages to respond to BB and you effing hammer just after I replied. You're dying idc.

[CheekyTeeky]

Just promise me you'll kill FF if gobbles doesn't end the game.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why Auro over Dann?

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm flash lynching the next person to wifom.

[CheekyTeeky]

BB I kinda want your take on things at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not sure what you're implying but in case I wasn't clear nothing you've said is evidence you're not scum Auro.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh good you remembered who you're lynching today.

[CheekyTeeky]

if gobbles is scum, why are you still alive?

[CheekyTeeky]

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[CheekyTeeky]

Dong are we reading the same game? IIRC I was pushing Auro/Dann theories while you were proposing a cheeky/gobbles team. You seemed all over the place D2, I mean it's towny but moonlogic to think you're alive over Cephrir in spite of your indecision.

I think it's pretty obvious Cephrir was the night kill if Dann/Auro are scum because otherwise they would have been killed instead, especially after Danns long winded lamist posts about being a busily incorrect towny...yet here we all are :evilgrin:

[CheekyTeeky]

You mean after setting up my FF buddy for the quick hammer on Hop and wanting to lynch gobbles/FF? Lol. You need me and you know it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Because Ceph would have worked out why he was at lylo, is harder to sway, and he looked like the towniest player in the game to you two because you're both scum parading too well as town that it looks super bad that neither of you are dead yet the sarcastic non-contributor who you both townread is dead.

I'm not answering another question about why wouldn't you do xyz as scum because this is beyond pointless. Tell me why gobbles is -still- scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Your tunnel is unnatural. You have not hesitated on gobbles since day 2. You must have a scumclaim if some kind to ignore all information since.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh and Ceph was never getting lynched while you're attempting to lead the town. Whereas theres a fantastic case for cheeky/FF or cheeky/gobbles you can both push now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Or even Cheeky/BB

[CheekyTeeky]

Viola.

[CheekyTeeky]

Uh...voila*

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles/FF are terrible lynches because if you take a look around we're all obviously set up to vote there. You can argue Cephrir as the universal town read but uh he was lurking doing nothing as opposed to kitty/dunn so really Dann would have been next with the attempted town spew yesterday. The other possibility is that Dann is here as mislynch bait but then I feel like his reads and his team are just terrible and he really should be revaluating better on how we got to this point. Yes all the NKs townread him yet all the lynchees that were town scumread him. I don't think the skill of your team outweighs your flip anymore tbh. Anyway...

Let's assume Dann is town and Eddie is having an mbaki day where he mislynches until lylo...then the only people who could be orchestrating this F7 without direct suspicion is BB and Dong. Nobody here is gunning for their lynches so them killing Cephrir also makes sense. I have a problem with Dong and BB being scum because of NSG wagon events.

BB could you tell me what happened to your Dong tunnel from Day 1? At what point did you end up townreading Dong?

[CheekyTeeky]

Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.

I was top poster in that scum game against you.

[CheekyTeeky]

I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle

Right so you townread Dong because they're too scummy to be scum kinda thing?

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky do you still think I’m scum

I didn't but I'm trying to look objectively at this F7.

From the perspective of who wants to lynch who I've got.

Me > FF/Gobbles/Dann
Dong > Auro/Dann
Auro > Gobbles
Dann > Gobbles Dan
BB > Gobbles/Cheeky
FF > Auro/Dann?
Gobbles > fuck knows but mislynch bait.

I'm seeing a blind spot on you and Dong but as I've said that's something hard to reconcile with Day 1 NSG lynch.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cause if you’re interrogating I don’t really have interest in working with you because if you still think I’m scum your opinion is meaningless to me

Everytime you get pushed this is what happens. As far as I'm aware you think I'm scum so kettle black?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hopkirk - 5 (Dannflor, Cephrir, BBMolla, CheekyTeeky, Formerfish)

raise your hand if you think this was all town

You're lynching gobbles? I can't see him on the wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

Tbh I think Gobbles > Cheeky results in a game win. Unless anyone strongly believes in Dong/Auro as the scum team.

Are you interrogating me or are we working together Cheeky

Like wtf is this?

[CheekyTeeky]

BB went from tunnelling Dong to townreading them because everyone else did. Went from hard defending gobbles to lynching them and when I ask questions I get stfu.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like if you're going to set me up lynch me today because I refuse to be your pawn at lylo.

[CheekyTeeky]

BB went from tunnelling Dong to townreading them because everyone else did. Went from hard defending gobbles to lynching them and when I ask questions I get stfu.

Yes reads change when they're not made up. That's how it works.

Or you know people's alignments and you're just going with the flow.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Cheeky let's go.

[CheekyTeeky]

Menalque is reading Dann from a town PoV, they aren't BoP material via gobbles.

[CheekyTeeky]

1) lurkers are fucking poison to a mafia game

2) and if you think that's me being aggressive you haven't played with me enough

1) Agree but this lurker is a paragon. Again I won't lynch her for what may happen. She will be obvious scum tbh so I'm not concerned about a scum!nsg slipping through my fingers.

2) I was thinking the same thing when dann called me rude lol.

I guess if you had read a little bit more it wouldn't feel like you just latched onto the first explicitly scummy post you saw and then went 'Zomg obv scum.'

When I read through Dong's iso there are a lot of scummy posts, so much so that it seems too scummy to be scum. I think 'surely he would think before posting as scum.' So I'm not sure if he's a generally scummy player as town or if he's just scum here. I kind of need more from you on Dong so I know that your read is legit and you're not just surface level scum hunting as scum.

i like this post a lot I'll trust you on nsg

EXACTLY. Going with the flow when you know people's alignments.

Now vote me.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not death tunnelling you, I'm asking you questions which you're taking as a death tunnel. If you think me/gobbles ends the game vote me over gobbles because I'm not going to lylo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Molla+FF can't be a team, right? From the late D1 wagons?

Unlikely but not impossible. It's more solid to discount BB being in teams with the people wagoning him. Dong also doesn't make sense with FF. FF only makes sense with Dann IIRC.

[CheekyTeeky]

My team thinks your scum Cheeky, I'm trying to explore every avenue, but yeah you kind of look like scum at this point tbh

So vote me?

[CheekyTeeky]

You haven't pushed anything solid this game BB. What are you scared my flip incriminates you?

[CheekyTeeky]

you guys are lynching me today. This game is bs.

[CheekyTeeky]

So vote me?

[CheekyTeeky]

Look the options today are me or Dann. I lose, so end it.

[CheekyTeeky]

You haven't pushed anything solid this game BB. What are you scared my flip incriminates you?

how would this do anything

I'm someone's pawn in lylo. Think about it.

[CheekyTeeky]

idk her self vote is really throwing me right now

I'm doing on purpose because I'm scum and you all are too chicken shit to lynch me.

[CheekyTeeky]

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The only other time Cheeky ever self-voted, from my search.
She was wolf

See Auro gets it. Now end this game I'm over it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also FTR I've self-voted plenty as town but that's not the case here

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm lying/can't be bothered going through my games.

[CheekyTeeky]

So yes. Thank you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky/Dann
Auro/Dong
Cheeky/Dong
gobbles/Dann?

Why is FF town?

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky/Dann
Auro/Dong
Cheeky/Dong
gobbles/Dann?

Why is FF town?

day 1

Why?

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't understand why you're reacting this way to suspicion on you. You guys have been making some pretty bad pushes on me (from my perspective anyway) and I haven't resorted to AtE self-votes, right?

I'm not AtEing my lynch is actually optimal for town. If I get to lylo it's game over.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Cheeky, seeking answers to the re-evaluation bit.

Still doesn't feel natural.

[CheekyTeeky]

my lynch is actually optimal for town. If I get to lylo it's game over.

Quick math. If you're town, and you lynch randomly,

Chances of winning if you're not lynched: 66%
Chances of winning if you're lynched: 40%

Over wanting to be lynched, a random strategy has better odds.

Can you stop? This theory shit is really annoying and irrelevant.

[CheekyTeeky]

I mean I'm not detached from the game and lynching randomly. I've been part of this game watching everyone evolve so I know and have predicted correctly where we're heading. I will not be mislynch bait at lylo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Can you stop? This theory shit is really annoying and irrelevant

Self-voting and asking to be lynched is annoying and bad townplay.

And no, if I can plug in math theory anywhere I'm doing it.

I must be scum then.

You've been plugging detached theory all game. It's always irrelevant.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yep, Dann needs to flip which isn't going to happen so lynch me.

[CheekyTeeky]

You've been plugging detached theory all game. It's always irrelevant

Naa it's fun. And in this case, is showing that you shouldn't self-vote as town.

But I'm scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think you need to rethink your reads. Bye for now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dann your solves are BS, like how did you even end up voting Hop? I reread your D3 and it wasn't clear, also the team stuff is just silly. I have outlined everyday since nsg flipped that something isn't right in an effort to divert town from mislynching. I was even stupid enough to convince myself that you being scum would become clearer to everyone as we progressed but noone except maybe Dong and FF are looking beyond the surface of you and Auro's actions. BB can be town, FF is apparently town, gobbles is obv town as he's become even more clearly mislynch bait. Which kinda leaves me little choice but you/auro/dong. Could be you/Dong but most of all you need to flip.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, I'm heavily interested in your teammates' individual reads.
Additionally, please paraphrase your team PT discussions as detailed as possible.

Kiss my ass.

[CheekyTeeky]

Sigh. Just let gobbles speak and you'll see.

[CheekyTeeky]

FF who I was ranting to my team mates is scum is apparently not scum and Im being done (Alisae, 2020)

[CheekyTeeky]

Except im not going to ask him because weve done this dance once already and I dont wanna waste a song on my dance card with someone who stepped on my toes before.

This makes zero sense; he's literally your teammate, and the ask is very simple and very little time consuming.

It does make sense when you go to mom and ask permission and she says no because she knows all the specifics and decides no. Most kids will go to dad and will hope that mom hasnt talked to him yet and doesnt have all the info he would need to make a good decision. hell, he barely looked up over his paper, or away from the ball game to mumble yes, and then you go and jump off a bridge.

I'm locktowning you for this post.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm locktowning you for this post

What warrants a locktown in that post?

I know when my hubby is his town self. That's it in a single post.

[CheekyTeeky]

How do you explain a soul-read? It's FF personality in a quick response that I think would be hard to fake on a back foot. I think it's been really hard to read him because at first he was high-efforting (TM effect should be a thing) which distorted my perception of him and then he went lurky because life, right. But that, that is what I've been looking for. What's his agenda here? Lynch you and then you flip town on his scumread ass and gg town right? Where does he go from here.?

[CheekyTeeky]

Who is gobbles voting?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Dannfloor
Maybe this will make you lynch me quicker. My team is using a lot of ???????? And can you not and wtf type words at me so whatevs.

[CheekyTeeky]

Auro talk to someone else I honestly don't care.

[CheekyTeeky]

My team is using a lot of ???????? And can you not and wtf type words at me so whatevs.

Is there any specific part of your activity that they're wtf'ing at?
Who would they rather you push, instead?

Obviously me self-voting.
They're screaming for Dann's head and no I'm not going to paraphrase.

[CheekyTeeky]

As in you don't care about the game? If that's the case, you should consider replacing out.

I care about the game I don't care about answering you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ali and Pops. Chenn repped out and Pink Ball hasn't posted in our PT at all. There's no smoking gun we've all been contributing to the dann scumread since D2 and they're mainly like "dann probs scum" type reads in reaction to things. Pops is like it's underrated how scummy Dann is and Ali is like omg he's scum why aren't we lynching him. For like days now.

[CheekyTeeky]

What do you gain from refusing to engage? What does town gain?

I'm engaging on my terms I'm not going to do logic or wifom arguments I'm just telling you like it is. What has town gained when I have engaged? Like probably nothing so meh.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's funny because he already knew we'd be here today.

[CheekyTeeky]

Can you give me more specifics on why he is?

Yeah maybe. I feel like I've talked about it enough.

[CheekyTeeky]

What path could he possibly take that would better? Killing me makes no sense, when I'm the obvious lylo lynch. If you're right and he's town what do I stand to gain by continually pushing him? He keeps scumreading people in optimal scum lynch ways. Espeon wanted his lynch, he died, Hopkirk he considered a good player and he died. Unfortunately that day ended way too short and we were deprived info on the lurkers. He still thinks I'm scum which is ridiculous and was only triggered when I scumread him. He's better than omgus. So is Eddie. So is Ank. TW scumreading me is the only scumread that makes sense. Yes Dann could be town and that's why it's better to lynch him or I today and not at Lylo. This is also now a PoE read.

Where:
FF, BB, Dong
Gobbles
Auro, Dann

Dong could be wrong but their opening today was pretty towny, BB reaction to my push was towny, FF pushing you was towny. I don't want to lynch gobbles because if he flips town and I'm not NK'd I get lynched we lose.

[CheekyTeeky]

Was he triggered by your pushing him or by your self-vote/AtE? Given your own teammates got triggered (shouting wtf at you and what not), this doesn't seem scummy to me.

He's been hinting at scumreading me since I first pushed you guys as a team D2. So no. Bear in mind I only felt comfortable expressing my suspicions on his slot after he lock towned me for the 3rd time.

[CheekyTeeky]

Who would you want lynched if Dann flips town?

Gobbles.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm at L-2 right now. Why would a Gobble townflip make you the next lynch and not me?

Because people aren't thinking straight and Lylo only makes it worse.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also you talk a lot of crap and enjoy wifom so you'd probably get out of it easy enough tbh. It's not like you expected to be scumread today.

[CheekyTeeky]

In a nutshell Dann's pushes are bad. Telling me that the NKs obv don't mean anything and then that they mean Dann is town is so double standard.

[CheekyTeeky]

Anyway Dong has promised us another case and Gobbles is doing a full replacement catchup so there's probably more value in waiting on that content then whatever it is we're doing.

[CheekyTeeky]

Let gobbles talk ffs.

[CheekyTeeky]

The day is young and full of terrors.

[CheekyTeeky]

Auro does the idea that Dann has pocketed you not even cross your mind a little bit? I don't want you to flip town today to save Dann unless you've really thought about it because clearly the choice is you. Is there solid evidence that Dann is town after hedging on NSG and pushing two mislynches?

[CheekyTeeky]

Dong did you answer why Auro over Dann?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ankamius has not read this game yet but I want her to come in soon and be like BAM BOOM GAMESTATE AURO IS TOWN BOOM

because I feel like the gamestate has stalled a long time with Auro as the most pushed player and top wagon and... what is scum doing if he's scum

This is interesting because most of the wagon on Auro 3/4 were town. What were scum doing?

[CheekyTeeky]

I still haven’t fully read day yesterday

Can you post what you've written so far even if it's unfinished?

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't drive and type jfc.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2

(gobbledygook, Dannflor)

Formerfish - 1

(Dunnstral)

Cephrir - 1

(Dongempire)

gobbledygook - 1

(bbmolla)

KittyMo - 1

(CheekyTeeky)

wguerts - 1

(northsidegal)

Dunnstral - 1

(Kittymo)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

Activity Check - Replacing Joan of Arc

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

I updated player names. What were scum doing?

[CheekyTeeky]

it's believable that this is an NSG bus, no? Her FF vote was half-assed without any case, just said "this is likeliest to hit scum".

It'd work for either of them if they were both scum because they both ride towncred. The issue with that is in FF not voting her. If it were an attempted bus clear on FF then wouldn't FF also vote her for towncred? Obviously if they're both scum they would prefer the NSG lynch. FF voted BB right?

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 7

(

Kittymo

,

Dunnstral

, gobbledygook, BBMolla, Dannflor,

Cephrir

, Dongempire)

Formerfish - 2

(

northsidegal

,

Espeonage

)

BBMolla - 2

(CheekyTeeky, Formerfish)

gobbledygook - 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

Activity Check - Lynch at #1460

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

[CheekyTeeky]

If NSG wants to make this into a 1v1 then I'll gladly take her on.

VOTE: NSG

Ok let's hypothesize. So scum FF votes scum NSG to create a false TvS scenario, expecting that if NSG is lynched FF gets ++townpoints elseif FF is lynched NSG gets ++townpoints to boost her much promised D2 catch up.

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 7

(

Kittymo

,

Dunnstral

, gobbledygook, BBMolla, Dannflor,

Cephrir

, Dongempire)

Formerfish - 2

(

northsidegal

,

Espeonage

)

BBMolla - 2

(CheekyTeeky, Formerfish)

gobbledygook - 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

Activity Check - Lynch at #1460

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

Formerfish Wagon: CheekyTeeky, BBMolla, gobbledygook, northsidegal, Dannflor, (Auro)
Molla Wagon: CheekyTeeky, Dann, Cephrir, FormerFish, Dong

If BB is scum then none of his flash wagon are buddies with him imo simply because you don't go for BB scum when NSG scum is getting lynched.

So that nullifies BB/CT BB/Dann BB/FF or BB/Dong. Which leaves BB/Auro or BB/Gobbles.

If we apply the same logic to FF then that nullifies FF/CT FF/BB FF/GG FF/Dann. Leaving FF/Auro FF/Dong

There's actually some really dodgy FF/Dong interactions on rereading.

Thanks cap.
VOTE: Formerfish

Nsg/cheeky/maybe hop

I could vote here for sure. Votes me but doesn't have me as scum...

This read shifts SOD2.

I think BBMolla is scummy

Of the 3 "lurkers" id see him die first if he was a viable option. Hes done less than nsg in twice as many posts.

Note BB has been tunneling Dong all D1.

If you guys won't go NSG and I can't interest anyone in a Dong lynch I can vote BB.

VOTE: Bb

My kill pool is:

[Esp, Dong, Hopkirk]

This is exactly my kill pool right now

I think Dong is low hanging fruit, his play has been sporadic but I have an idea why and its NAI.

Espy went through a lot of trouble yesterday to explain why I need to die regardless and I think thats a pretty easy position for scum to take on me because it ensures at least 1 mislynch.

Hoppy id have to go back and look at because other then the recent quoted post where he linked me to 2 people but didnt mention the people hard defending NSG as being suspect is a little uhh... spotty logic at best and shade trying to set up 3 mislynches in myself, Gob and Dunn.

How does FF go from wanting to lynch Dong EOD1 to calling her LHF SOD2? Dong voting FF but calling two others scum is interesting. I think the reads from these two on each other explained would help a lot.

Question:

I feel like my reads are a bit biased because it feels like half the thread wants me to die and the other half wants me to live.

Trying to figure out wagon comp in a game like this without any flips is like trying to piss in the toilet with the lights off.

FF what does the wagon comp mean now in retrospect?

[CheekyTeeky]

Dont want to come off like im parroting gooble but cephrir sucks man. Most of his posts are quick one liners that you cant say much to and he seems afraid to engage properly, especially 81 is awful. I'm fine with placing my vote there but i want to clear my mind on former first because this doesnt play like his towngame.

Yeah formers scum.

I have never believed his posts were anything outstanding, but thats not the smoking gun for me. The last 3 posts he made seem like its coming from frustrated scum that got caught due to luck, and his desperation to switch to a NSG wagon shows that also.

This kind of doesn't vibe right with NSG/FF/Dong team unless they were all in on the 1v1 and attempting to hard distance here.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why didn't Dong vote Former there

Not a logical reason yes but i didnt check the vc or the deadline, i just wanted to get in whatevee i had in mind and go to bed

Not defending myself but i dont want anyone to get the wrong ideas either.

Thanks cap.
VOTE: Formerfish

Dong needed to be pushed to lynch FF

[CheekyTeeky]

I like these wagons what course should I be taking?

Former seems like its a done deal at this pointz i doubt trying to flip everyone on nsg at the last moment will work, and im pretty sure on former (im also convinced on nsg but in a decision of one or the other...)

This is a pretty lazy excuse, your vote on nsg would put her to l-1, while your vote on FF ties the wagons at l-2, so "flipping everyone" isn't something that needs to happen if you wanted to

I'll be willing to flip on nsg if formers wagon stops traction, but its not because i scumread nsg over him but rather to just get a lynch in. I'm still in full support of a former hanging.

Sure, tomorrow we can have a better discussion.

VOTE: BB
L1 i think

Hmmmmmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why do you think they would prefer an NSG lynch?

Because FF had been posting all Day and NSGs slot had a lot of pressure on it/no content Day 1.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ank feels you’re not this incoherent as town.

Is that just in relation to my read on you or the whole game total? I'm stuck between a hard place and a rock when my team needs you to flip today. I'm getting frustrated and finding it hard to articulate when I have nothing but "he's just scum" type reads backing this up.

[CheekyTeeky]

oh the worst wants to replace into this game and lynch cheekibreeki

Lmao.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dann get your team to think of it from this perspective. I have not encouraged an Auro lynch today because as previously stated I have more reason to townread him than your slot. I have even said that if you flip town I'll lynch gobbles. As scum I have every opportunity to go through with an Auro lynch today if I was trying to keep the pool open. I could even go with a gobbles lynch with you,Auro,BB but I specifically want you or me flipped because if we're wrong today and both in lylo that's a nightmare right? Obviously noone is interested in you flipping today so wtf am I doing pushing everything uphill and risking it all on your townflip as scum. If you're town that seals my fate at lylo. Ali is that confident you're scum.

The BoP case is in relation to your read on me and I intentionally put pressure on you and Auro yesterday to see how you would react. Auro stayed on course with his gobble scumread whereas you did a bunch of solving that didn't make sense and went with Hop. I said Day 2 Espeon is probably town, said D3 that Hop/gobbles/Dong probably town based on information available to that point. I was fine lynching hop/gobbles because they did narrow down teams quite drastically as you've seen Auro/I nut out today. Your ISO is like fine but I just feel like you've been hanging on since D2. If it were just me I probably would've lynched around you trying to hit your buddy but again we have teams and I trust I'm not that great at reading you, as you can see.

[CheekyTeeky]

I could lynch Dong today.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't want to lynch Dannflor, Formerfish, Cephrir, bbmolla, CheekyTeeky, gobbledygook, or Auro today by the way, for various reasons

Which leaves Hopkirk, Espeonage, and DongEmpire

VOTE: DongEmpire

This post was in order of towniest to scummiest, and then towniest to scummiest again

Dann, Dunn, Kitty
FF, Cheeky, BB
Auro, Gobble
Hop
Dong
Esp

And here are eddies reads

And yes, I would have kitty as a top townread

So what's your problem with me?

The bottom 3 leaves Dong. The other two were town. Auro/Gobbles probably next.

[CheekyTeeky]

also I censored that EC post but I think it still came out a bit ruder than I wanted oops sorry

That's actually relatively mild for him. You can call me bad, like I've said it's hard to mitigate the risk of following 1 head.

[CheekyTeeky]

you are still alive despite being more town read than the night kills because your reads are bad.

I wasn't more townread than the NKs, my reads are fine and I'm alive because I was wrong on NSG and mislynched twice following you.

[CheekyTeeky]

My kill pool is:

[Esp, Dong, Hopkirk]

This is exactly my kill pool right now

I think Dong is low hanging fruit, his play has been sporadic but I have an idea why and its NAI.

Espy went through a lot of trouble yesterday to explain why I need to die regardless and I think thats a pretty easy position for scum to take on me because it ensures at least 1 mislynch.

Hoppy id have to go back and look at because other then the recent quoted post where he linked me to 2 people but didnt mention the people hard defending NSG as being suspect is a little uhh... spotty logic at best and shade trying to set up 3 mislynches in myself, Gob and Dunn.

How do you know Gob and Dunn are town to the point you call Espe out on trying to mislynch them?

This is still relevant.

[CheekyTeeky]

FF/Dong is like obviously the team here.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like what's Espeon's plan here?

Well, fmpov i see Espy setting me up for a lynch regardless of what his read on me is. If he's shading Dann as well then he could be setting Dann up for tomorrows mislynch after trying for me today.

Yeah that makes sense except he's dying today.

[CheekyTeeky]

If I assume Dann is town then I can see Dong/gobbles/FF as scum.
Dong/FF seems right gobbles/FF could work but eh. Gobbles/Dong maybe but super ehhh. Then if we track all 3 via VCA.

Vote Count

wguerts - 4

(Kittymo, Dannflor, northsidegal, Auro)

KittyMo - 2

(wgeurts, Hopkirk)

Dannflor - 1

(Formerfish)

Formerfish - 1

(Dongempire)

Hopkirk - 1

(gobbledygook)

Auro - 1

(Cephrir)

gobbledygook - 1

(Dunnstral)

Not Voting - 2

(Espeonage, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Start of Day

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

KittyMo - 2

(wgeurts, Hopkirk)

Formerfish - 2

(Dongempire, Dannflor)

wguerts - 1

(northsidegal)

Dannflor - 1

(Formerfish)

Hopkirk - 1

(gobbledygook)

Auro - 1

(Cephrir)

gobbledygook - 1

(Dunnstral)

Cephrir - 1

(Auro)

Dunnstral - 1

(Kittymo)

Not Voting - 2

(Espeonage, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Prodding Espeonage, northsidegal

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Cephrir - 2

(Auro, Dongempire)

Auro - 2

(Cephrir, Hopkirk)

KittyMo - 1

(wgeurts)

Formerfish - 1

(Dannflor)

wguerts - 1

(northsidegal)

Dannflor - 1

(Formerfish)

Hopkirk - 1

(gobbledygook)

gobbledygook - 1

(Dunnstral)

Dunnstral - 1

(Kittymo)

Not Voting - 2

(Espeonage, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Prodding Joan of Arc

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Dong/FF look worse than Gobbles early game. Dong votes her buddy than finds a reason to hop off pretty quick. EOD1 with FF/Dong scum reading each other and then those reads vanishing D2 is just duh scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

Auro will you compromise on FF with me? If I'm wrong I'll lynch Gobbles tomorrow. Idc if my team gets mad at a non-Dann lynch I'm kinda over it at this point and am trusting my first instincts in this awful game. I wanted to lynch FF/Dong/Hop in that order and by george I should've seen it through instead of doubting myself as usual.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think Dong/FF had to scumread Auro today because Dong was the next on the Dann/Dunn list after Espeon/Hopkirk.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes. Wifom, your favourite. But really I'm serious about FF/Dong being the scumteam. I'm in the middle of editing VCA to reflect Dong/FF and BB/gobbles as potential teams. Gobbles/BB is clearly not a team. I'll post it when I've finished which will take a while on my phone.

[CheekyTeeky]

I soulread one FF post and had Ali telling me I was being dumb but like I'm not lynching Dann this game. And FF/Dong make sense out of the combinations of possible teams assuming you/Dann/BB are town.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm like well if I'm going to end up being wrong I want full responsibility and playing other people's reads just doesn't work for me unless I'm in a hydra with Toranaga.

[CheekyTeeky]

If that isn't clear enough I'm going to ride or die with Dann/Auro as town. We're going to win this by lynching dong/FF, if I'm wrong I'm not lynching Auro/Dann/BB so you can lynch me or gobbles in lylo.

FF is the optimal lynch because he makes sense with gobbles or Dong. I'm not sure gobbles/Dong works but I'll see when I finish the VCA.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes. Wifom, your favourite

I mean, my comment was more to demonstrate that Wifom accusations are generally unproductive - whenever I make an argument about possibilities, you say I'm scum wifoming it up.

Can we focus on lynching FF or Dong? What are your thoughts there?

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would FF+Dong come into the day antagonizing me when I'm tunneled on Gobble?

Because what do they do tomorrow if gobbles/dann/me are gone? Dong was next on the shit list so they had to come into today pushing you, NK dann, lynch gobbles or CT in lylo. Dong has been stirring paranoia in the townreads since D2, FF has been fine scumreading anyone scum read until today.

Alternatively they were planning on Dann/me in lylo for the paranoid win. Looking at their read progressions towards each other, their lurk and follow the bad leaders style, the PoE of teams...you honestly can't get more obvious when looking in the right place.

[CheekyTeeky]

In fact they probably expect us to lynch gobbles to make you/me/Dann lylo even more winnable tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

So Dong?

[CheekyTeeky]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81665&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Cheeky, read this and tell me if you notice a difference from their play this game?

Cheeky, can you do this now?

Yeah, gobbles actually tried and was slimey. Is he town there?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok let's vote Dong then but wait on my VCA.

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler:

Vote Count

wguerts

- 4

(

Kittymo

, Dannflor,

northsidegal

, Auro)

Kittymo

- 2

(

wgeurts

,

Hopkirk

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Formerfish

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Auro - 1

(

Cephrir

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Joan of Arc

)

Activity Check - Start of Day

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

KittyMo

- 2

(

wgeurts

,

Hopkirk

)

Formerfish

- 2

(

Dongempire

, Dannflor)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Auro - 1

(

Cephrir

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Cephrir

- 1

(Auro)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Joan of Arc

)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Cephrir

- 2

(Auro,

Dongempire

)

Auro - 2

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

Formerfish

- 1

(Dannflor)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Joan of Arc

)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Cephrir

- 3

(Auro,

Dongempire

, Dannflor)

Auro - 3

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

)

gobbledygook

- 2

(

Dunnstral

,

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 0

( )

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Formerfish

- 3

(

Dunnstral

, Auro, Dannflor

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Not Voting - 0

( )

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

, Dannflor)

Formerfish

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

, Dannflor)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dunnstral

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 3

(

Cephrir

, Dannflor,

Hopkirk

)

Auro - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Formerfish

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dunnstral

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 3

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Kittymo

)

Auro - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

BBMolla

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Espeonage

- 1

(Dannflor)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dongempire

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 3

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Kittymo

)

Auro - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Espeonage

- 1

(Dannflor)

Formerfish

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dongempire

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 5

(

Kittymo

,

Cephrir

,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

gobbledygook

)

Formerfish

- 4

(

BBMolla

,

northsidegal

, Dannflor,

Espeonage

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 3

(Auro,

CheekyTeeky

,

Dongempire

)

Activity Check - All Good!

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 7

(

Kittymo

,

Dunnstral

,

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

, Dannflor,

Cephrir

,

Dongempire

)

Formerfish

- 2

(

northsidegal

,

Espeonage

)

BBMolla

- 2

(

CheekyTeeky

,

Formerfish

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

Activity Check - Lynch at #1460

Vote Count

Hopkirk

- 3

(

BBMolla

,

CheekyTeeky

,

Cephrir

)

Espeonage

- 1

(Dannflor)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 11

(Auro,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 4

(Dannflor,

CheekyTeeky

,

Dunnstral

, Auro)

Hopkirk

- 2

(

BBMolla

,

Cephrir

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Espeonage

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Formerfish

,

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 4

(Dannflor,

CheekyTeeky

,

Cephrir

,

Dunnstral

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

Formerfish

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 3

(Auro,

BBMolla

,

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 4

(Dannflor,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

BBMolla

)

goobledygook

- 3

(Auro,

CheekyTeeky

,

Cephrir

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 6

(Dannflor,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

BBMolla

,

CheekyTeeky

, Auro)

goobledygook

- 2

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 0

Looking at Day 2 Gobbles/Dong doesn't really vibe.
Gobbles/FF doesn't either.

[CheekyTeeky]

Actually gobbles FF might work but I still think Dong is scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

When thinking about FF vs Gobbles. Gobbles has been consistently average whereas FF high efforted D1 and has struggled to replicate that engagement since. Which is more likely to be scum? Obviously scum need to high effort early in order to blend, NKing Cephrir was actually a mistake for scum if Auro/Dann are town because they have less people lurking to blend with.

Dong consistently attempts to tryhard day start and then lurks out the rest of the day coasting on pushing impossible lynches while town eats itself up.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think we're looking for people who try-harded and couldn't keep it up. Dong and FF both tick that box.

[CheekyTeeky]

His play here is starkly different not just in terms of activity but the kind of engagement and thought processes he shows in his posts.

I agreed with this. But this could be the TM effect. When I was pushing him and BB intervened I thought that was weird af for both of them. BB seems pretty happy lynching him now and I'm left wondering what changed.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Dong

[CheekyTeeky]

Dannflor, the entire formerfish wagon right now is lurky people who started coasting around end of day, aside from you

Look at

bbmolla

. Look at

Espeonage

. Look at

Dong

getting ready.

Hmm maybe not FF? I just don't see how Dong/BB carry with nsg gone.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dong I'd like your case on Auro please.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles who's scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Auro L-1

[CheekyTeeky]

Here fishy fishy.

[CheekyTeeky]

At least FF can't derp hammer this time.

[CheekyTeeky]

Obviously.

[CheekyTeeky]

So Auro if gobbles hammers you am I still scum over him or are we buddies?

[CheekyTeeky]

So gobbles is no longer scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would I try to lynch gobbles after setting him up? Why didn't you suspect I set FF up and we were buddies?

[CheekyTeeky]

WHO GOES TO THE TROUBLE OF SEARCHING ALL MY GAMES TO TOWNREAD ME WHEN I'M SELF VOTING?

[CheekyTeeky]

Why didn't you suspect FF/CT?

I don't know why I'm shouting, I'm losing my mind.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles explain Dong/Auro to me.

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE:

[CheekyTeeky]

Reading D1 again made me super paranoid. Rehashing where Dong/FF go from here, the wagon on you possibly being all town. Sigh. Effing sigh. You pocketed me good Mr. Auro.

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't mind us, I knew you wouldn't either way it was more a reaction thing for Auro.

[CheekyTeeky]

All the emoticons tell me you're nervous Auro.

[CheekyTeeky]

All the emoticons tell me you're nervous Auro.

Gobbles what happened to that post you wrote a bit of every moment you could while you were away?

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't know why I'm shouting, I'm losing my mind.

I'd still like to know why that strikes you as odd.

@Cheeky

Never have I had someone effort to justify their townread on me after I've acted explicitly scummy. That's not normal and I don't get why you decided on Day 4 to start meta diving people when you're under the pump. You spent all day 3 pushing gobbles but today you decided to use meta to boost your argument. It reads like you're LAMISTing the shizz out of the thread because you have to, otherwise you would have summoned your solve powers earlier.

[CheekyTeeky]

Alright. This is not a drill.

VOTE: Auro L-1

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE: goodnight team xx

[CheekyTeeky]

If I'm town, it's Cheeky+whoever in that order of likelihood.

This is a fun bedtime story. If, you're town indeed.

[CheekyTeeky]

town derps creating noise with inane behavior

I'm assuming this is referring to me. Funny that you keep spewing me town even though I'm scum if you get lynched. Why is my alignment dependent on you living?

[CheekyTeeky]

Auro what happened to making people accountable for Hop?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hey Auro, can you reask the dozen questions I've asked people on the last few pages about their bad trajectories on me tomorrow instead of letting people ignore them thanks.

Cheeky I might take out of that pool on more reading. Fish I could easily see replacing them.

I was talking about this. I think the questions he had for Dann are worth pursuing. I don't get how you have zero paranoia in that direction it's honestly baffling unless you know his alignment.

NKs dont mean anything, he wasn't townread by the mislynches which contain more information than the "universal" NKs. And did you actually read his hopkirk solve? Tell me how all his D3 content explained hopkirk scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

If you have time to meta-dive gobbles and myself you have time to actually consider and explain your read on Dann, especially if we do go to lylo and you don't want him mislynched.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's a waste of thread time. Cheeky, fypov, unless he's scum with me there's bound to be one scum in [Molla, FF, Gobbles, Dong], right? So why not focus effort on their play and find scum there?

I want to see what you're seeing. We all need to see what you're seeing especially if this end games. I don't know how you're willing to die for him but unwilling to properly defend a town read. I want an actual run down of posts this game that only ever come from town instead of vague arguments and just calling me bad.

[CheekyTeeky]

Say you get lynched by me Auro, you said earlier that you wouldn't mind one of you/Dann being lynched if we lynched your scumread tomorrow, so it reads a little odd to me that when you're dead set on gobbles being the lynch that you would throw that all away to call me scum.
The way I've been behaving points very much to a gobbles/CT team and yet you haven't mentioned it once because you know I'm town. I can act this batshit scummy because scum are locked into their townread on me and won't actually vote me. If voting you makes me scum how does unvoting you make me less scum? I put you to L-1 twice with gobbles in the thread and you still townread me.

The problem with trying to find Dann's partner if it's not you is that FF/Dann BB/Dann don't make sense. Based on his solve of FF/gobbles I'd say gobbles/Dann dont really look like a team either. Dong/dann is ok but I'm concerned if it's you we're never going to win this at lylo by your misdirection.
Say we lynch Dong > BB nk'd > dann/Auro/cheeky/gobbles/FF looks pretty terrible right?
Or we lynch Dann > Auro NK'd > BB/cheeky/FF/gobbles/Dong looks better and best hit is FF.
Or lynch gobbles > NK Auro > cheeky/Dann/FF/Dong/BB probably gets me mislynched because lol me and I'd be gunning for Dann.

[CheekyTeeky]

Who would Dann have killed each night then assuming he's scum? The NKs were optimal for any scum team for lack of information. I even said in my team pt that Cephrir is the optimal kill to deprive town of information. Dann couldn't kill me without arousing even more suspicion, I'm aware how baity I am in lylo which is why I hate getting to this point. Everyone else has decent enough scum equity for Dann to look like a man amongst beasts. Cephrir was never getting lynched which is actually another point in Dongs favour based on her confusion with my joking at suspecting Cephrir when we all kinda town blocked around Cephrir saying he didn't mind Dann winning if he were scum. I legitimately want to know who scum!Dann kills each night.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dong why Auro over Dann? Do you townread Dann?

[CheekyTeeky]

No getting rid of Cephrir is optimal for scum!Dann because he is less likely to be lynched than me which effectively gives us an F7 with a soft IC. Killing me doesn't implicate FF because he would have killed me D2 if he were scum (omg FF is town) and unlike Espeon I actually think there are a few brain cells in the group to figure out FF is being set-up because he never makes that kill D3 as scum.

I actually think you're better than this Auro.

[CheekyTeeky]

If we did mislynch outside of Auro/Dann BB is always the NK here for the same reason Cephrir was. It doesn't tell us anything.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm sure

no one

would believe scum!FF kills you D2 and not D3.

Correction in bold.

Why? He obviously doesn't kill Dunn who hard defended him and he doesn't kill me over Kitty D1. D2 is optimal for distancing from suspicion over my NK when I'm chasing gobbles/Hop. D3 he'd have to rely on wifom to survive which you think is unlikely for scum to do and which is unlikely after an already rough D1 for FF.

[CheekyTeeky]

How about you run your reasoning by Popsofctown and gather her thoughts as well?

Pops doesn't want Dong lynched over you but overall prefers Dann.

[CheekyTeeky]

My reasoning is not the issue here, you have no solid ground on which to stand you Dann townread on. The NKs especially.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lynching you while having declared you a strong townread is far more difficult than lynching 2 out of [FF, Dong, Gobble, Molla].

This is bs he's been hedging on his read since I started pushing him which I intentionally waited for him to declare a strong TR on me before doing. He was planning on lynching me today...are you being intentionally obtuse?

[CheekyTeeky]

And these brain cells lie where? Ceph? Gob? Dong?

Do you see them voting FF today after the derp hammer? Do you see them buying your crap? Yep those brain cells.

[CheekyTeeky]

(1)Defending against Wifom > Defending against someone baying for your blood.
(2)Keeping someone lockreading you town and unlikely to get paranoid > Killing them and getting towncred from Wifom.
Wifom in (2) is not the same as wifom in (1). Do you agree?

So we agree FF is town since I'm alive?

[CheekyTeeky]

Do you also agree Gobbles is town since you're alive?

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles, you don't find it odd that Auro is trying to work with you now after trying to lynch you since D2?

He also didn't want to let you post today he was that sure.

[CheekyTeeky]

He needs 1 more person to side with him so he's not the lynch today. BB is being dumb, Dann probs vote with him and now he's desperate enough for anyone else even though he was so certain gobbles was scum he was willing to die to let us lynch gobbles in Lylo

Like come the eff on Gobbles.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes. It's fun watching him squirm though, I don't want another early day after ending yesterday early by accident.

[CheekyTeeky]

Sigh. Just let gobbles speak and you'll see.

Gobbles has spoken. His premise is that the night kills were in "second tier townreads" therefore scum must be in "first tier townreads".

That's not an obvtown perspective.

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Sadly, this seems to match town!Cheeky more.

@Dann, Gobbles is not happening today. Molla will vote with us; Cheeky, Dong and FF won't. Cheeky's just poor town, but if her vote's locked to herself or you, that's useless. Convincing Dong is near impossible. He and FF will find a million things from my ISO to misinterpret and call me scum; energy spent there is futile.

What would you say to a proposal where one of us is lynched, but *every* other slot promises to lynch our read tomorrow?

Let gobbles talk ffs.

He has zero incentive to. He's been promising stuff forever.

Do you agree to vote Gobbles if he doesn't post, by, say, D-3? I want a guarantee.

@Dann: We can make this fairer by achieving consensus on a scumread and asking them to choose one of us to lynch today, while rest of town promises to flash lynch them in LyLo, no questions asked, and regardless of the NK.

Gobbles please read this. Auro trying to "sort me" with you now is scum flailing. Don't fall for it.

[CheekyTeeky]

I agree that bb is being a moron and will throw the game because of his ego. Its sad especially because he has no justification for it given he literally hadnt had a correct read.

He has correctly read Gobbles and FF as town. When I was attempting to work through team solves with Auro, it became obvious that he wouldn't actually take a stance on FF or you. FF wasn't likely today because of BB hard defending him and mislynching you would take Dann shifting his read off you. Auro was stuck with Gobbles as the only feasible path, especially because he had BB on board with it. It also explains why he didn't want gobbles to talk or wait for him to talk. Now that BB is voting me his only out is to talk gobbles into lynching me and having Dann vote me which won't look bad after all the hedging Dann has done on my slot.

The point is that gobbles is 100% scum in Auros eyes to the point that he doesn't need to sort him and now that gobbles isn't happening he's trying to work with gobbles. Which is beyond laughable.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think this is the definition of lynch shopping.

[CheekyTeeky]

Do you have nothing to say about Dong's posts?

[CheekyTeeky]

You've made me doubt the read on you.

Hey if putting you to L-1 twice doesn't make me scum it's a bit late to start hedging now buddy. Lmfao.

[CheekyTeeky]

If I ignore Gobbles while he's posting... "Auro's locked in so he must be scum who won't change his mind". If I do engage with Gobbles under an assumption he's town... "Auro's lynch shopping!" Disingenuous much?

What's disingenuous is you continually changing the narrative to suit yourself. Your lack of firm stances and pushes in feasible mislynch directions is lynch shopping.

You hard scum reading gobbles then trying to work with him on a read on me is hilarious. You've locked yourself in so hard you don't live either way so I don't really care anymore how today goes. You lynch gobbles, you die. You lynch me, you die. It's perfect.

[CheekyTeeky]

You've made me doubt the read on you.

Hey if putting you to L-1 twice doesn't make me scum it's a bit late to start hedging now buddy. Lmfao.

This coming from the slot that admits she's acting "batshit scummy" and that I cannot re-evaluate because I'm locked onto a townread on her?

You missed the "I can only act this way without being voted because scum townread me" part. Which would be you in case you missed that.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yep sounds perfect, you first.

[CheekyTeeky]

your case is dumb and speculative. I've done a lot of stuff; you just pick out actions, slap a scum motivation onto it, and act as though it's some sort of damning case.

So is Dong scum or town?

[CheekyTeeky]

Give me a readslist Auro.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Auro

[CheekyTeeky]

See when town actually believe someone is scum they vote them. Something you failed to do during your reaction test.

[CheekyTeeky]

You're not even worth the L-1 warning at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yawn just vote me already scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

You've spoken enough Auro.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles can you please say the tribe has spoken when you hammer me or Auro? That would make my day.

[CheekyTeeky]

You sure you want to wait? Gobbles might be better pocketed by making him do zero work before you flip your read.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm excited by races. I'm excited to see it all hinge on gobbles vote.

[CheekyTeeky]

Great content. Gobs will totally buy it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count

wguerts - 4

(Kittymo,

Dannflor, northsidegal, Auro

)

KittyMo - 2

(wgeurts, Hopkirk)

Dannflor - 1

(Formerfish)

Formerfish - 1

(Dongempire)

Hopkirk - 1

(gobbledygook)

Auro - 1

(Cephrir)

gobbledygook - 1

(Dunnstral)

Not Voting - 2

(Espeonage, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Start of Day

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

[CheekyTeeky]

I voted for wgeurts because I liked KittyMo’s entrance and wanted to build a wagon, and wagons good blah blah blah

Hi!
VOTE: wgeurts
Wagons

i was in white flag last team mafia, and i'm a creature of habit. plus, i was never taking the large theme, didn't really want a normal and i told RC i wanted white flag before the open setup was revealed and so that's what he put me for.

VOTE: wgeurts

my current working townblock is {dunn, kittymo, wgeurts}

i'm trusting my team's ceph townreads

[CheekyTeeky]

Why is Molla dumb and not my partner?

Molla is town. His reaction here:

You haven't pushed anything solid this game BB. What are you scared my flip incriminates you?

Absolutely not because I'm town lmfao

Always comes from town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Still shopping? No refunds sorry.

[CheekyTeeky]

Sometimes you have to shake things up to get scum to rise up to the top. I know you're scum. I have no fear of lylo.