Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[humaneatingmonkey]

Then you don't have good reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Wasn't talking to you

[humaneatingmonkey]

but no really

[humaneatingmonkey]

One day before LYLO, Fire. You better catch scum.

Isis, that's witty as hell.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Make your Elements case, and make it good.

[humaneatingmonkey]

that is a very homosexual post in as much as it's sexually attracted to other homosexuals.

[humaneatingmonkey]

ouch.

good game Firebringer.

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay sheep earned. god damn.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

the "you should nullread me" earned my sheep
what the fuck is that supposed to mean? your performance is not town?
it was a question where you were supposed to tell us where in your performance indicates that you're town, and she's like "no im not town you should nullread me you should look at the wagons!"

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oh yeah, and L-1

[humaneatingmonkey]

monkey is giving me crawleys

im not scum. we've been through this.

[humaneatingmonkey]

you're just paranoid. what have i done that makes me scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

that was my "Firebringer wants to build trust for LYLO" situation and if that's true, we should get scum today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

NorwEE, when you're scum and you're about to be lynched, what do you do and why did they have a hard time lynching you until D3/4?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm ESL, not illiterate. I've been consuming English media since I've been alive. I've been taught English since kindergarten. I just don't use it conversationally with people I'm not close with. Also, I have trouble understanding sentences without their proper structure because I only know English that way.

I'm Filipino.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No, I want you to describe it Norwee.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm very good at scum in Newbie forums because my playstyle is the opposite of what they're usually looking for.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No, I want you to describe it Norwee.

Ok...? I don't know what you expect to hear. I usually react the same way as town or scum if i'm about o be lynched i think.

Try to differentiate. I'm not expecting anything. Just an honest description.

[humaneatingmonkey]

that depends on what game you're looking at. if you're looking at my recent game, I would believe it. Kirari/Krazy caught me at Day 2.

[humaneatingmonkey]

if you're talking about the Micro Blitz game, that was a horrifying game for me because the town was supermonolithic and it's my first one in a while in this account.

[humaneatingmonkey]

any scumslips you think I made this game is wrong because im tonw.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can believe scumslipping there. it went for so long and the only way i survived there was making the town lead itself and bussing 3b D1.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao

i got the town trust by defending town lynches. so making them think it was anyone other than me is easy.

when i get pushed, i defer to WIFOM.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Maybe.

How do you describe what you did there if you were scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Norwee, why do you think they had a hard time lynching you until D3/4?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not presenting any narratives, Norwee. I'm trying to get you to corroborate on Isis' story on your scum game together.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not trying to push any conclusions Norwee, I'm trying to get you to corroborate on this story:

posting.php?mode=quote&f=51&p=11811199

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If votato greenflips I want to lynch Norwee and congratulate the scum if that's not right


this game is too much like that game where Norwee openwolfed d1 and we couldn't lynch him until d3 or 4

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, you said scum was playing well this game but you don't have a scum team yet and you think one is NorwEE. So I still have that on my backburner and I have dreams of you being scum with Green Crayons and Elements. What can you say about that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Norwee, do you think you're using AtE to defend yourself right now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes but you've already tried to use logic at least 3 times since L-1.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think GC is scum, but I want to sheep Firebringer.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Associations mean jackshit this game TBH.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I trust you that you are town, Isis. Do you trust me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Firebringer, regardless of alignment, will bring scum. He either has good reads or he either has bus-always-on setting this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think it's "Manipulate Monkey: The Game"

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, mostly

[humaneatingmonkey]

it does worry me, but i've been wrong this game and firebringer hasn't been. i honestly need norwee to flip scum here to prove my current thesis.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i would probably lynch GC at some point, yeah.

[humaneatingmonkey]

im not sure if i have the majority tomorrow. but i will try

[humaneatingmonkey]

of course, i still think it's you, GC, and Looker.

[humaneatingmonkey]

want me to eat you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Looker's interaction with me in early game was scummy, and his position and POV in this game doesn't connect to what I imagine town would be in. Isis and Deimos conforms more to what I think town has.

Also, there's daychat and he lynched votato instead of you seeming like he townreads you and then returned to scumreading you. so i can see the part in which you guys are hardbussing each other.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i just don't see him lynching anyone else but you if you're really the star scumread and it didn't go away. instead he quickhammers votato there.

[humaneatingmonkey]

good night isis

[humaneatingmonkey]

You were rude and stubborn and tried to gang up on me with votato.

Misrepresented as fuck.

To those who want an instant replay:
1.) Go here.
2.) Ctrl+F to #692

I was polite and cool when this guy launches into an over 9000 AtE. Also, spoiler alert: No one ganged up on him. Votato remarks that his AtE would get him distrusted — practically helping the guy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If Firebringer wants to change gears and lynch Looker, I'd want to lynch Looker instead.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm starting to feel like hme is only town or scum with norwee so i dont not vote norwee

i looked through his iso to see if he did any system reset unvotes in this game like the newbie and not really but while I was looking norwee was higher on a scumlist than votato and I'm concerned about that

Isis, I missed this yesterday, but I did a system reset maybe three times this game. I don't think it's alignment indicative of me, and you're looking at the wrong thing. I did a "system reset" in my other town games if I recall correctly.

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nevermind. i think im reading this game wrong.

I don't have solid reads yet and I'm gonna disappear for a while.
Bye.

just two times.

im not claiming scum. im saying you're looking at my meta the wrong way.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I miss Deimos and Elements.

[humaneatingmonkey]

kill scum momentum

that's a good idea UNVOTE:

[humaneatingmonkey]

Consider my vote still there, but we need to take this slowly.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, I still didn't see your comment on that time GC tried to paint me as manipulative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

not an apothosis

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and i think it's even more irrelevant to bring up that it's apophasis and not apothosis

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis

1.) Go here.
2.) Ctrl + F - #2035
3.) Read until #2081
4.) Then go here.
5.) Ctrl + F - #2365
6.) Read until #2414

Bonus points for saying that I didn't sheep him. I did. I wanted to lynch Looker there but I also wanted to see other POVs that aren't mine because I hardtunnelled Alisae.

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• FB: There's no basis for trusting anyone is 100% town in this setup
  
• @monkeyeater: I reread and you were just as much a jerk the second time. You ignored my question by saying I was throwing a tantrum, which wasn't true at all. You're categorizing my tone in a way that is convenient for your narrative.

You said I was full of shit and told me to fuck off. Then you told me I'm a fucking amateur.

Sure I'm categorizing your tone.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, you sure you don't want to lynch this?

[humaneatingmonkey]

firebringer wants to lynch it, we will. just want to take things slow, bb

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why are you all refusing to read GC? Am I being fucked with?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Firebringer I can understand, but Isis you've been "paranoid" about GC here that I really don't understand why I can't get a single comment out of you

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes i do think GC is scum. please read more tomorrow. enjoy your night.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can see Firebringer being town here who really thinks GC is town, although there's a possibility he is scum with GC. That's why I need Norwee to flip scum because I think it's GC, Looker, Norwee but if it's not GC, Looker, Norwee it's GC, Looker, Firebringer. I think Elements' read on me not being able to push him on D1 comes from town. This is my solve. I'm trying to squeeze as much out of sheeping Firebringer so I can low key watch how it plays out organically. But you saying this makes me want to say it out loud now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also I refuse to scumread Deimos and you, who I strongly believe to be town and whose POVs I can resonate with.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you think Norwee will flip scum?
What do you think about Deimos thinking that scum has no incentive or motivation to double bus here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll hug you isis. im scared too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

like lowkey i want to solve this game and win it so i can stick it up alisae post-game
but lowkey i also want to solve this game and win it because i feel bad about alisae
you know what i mean?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I have this personality read that I don't think FB ever concocts a "golden group" with 3 town and GC as the false town ever ever ever so FB and GC can't be scum together.

but also like Firebringer brought out a clause in his golden group that "one of them—worst case scenario—is scum" and that gives me the heebeejeebees.

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Firebringer, are you right about Norwee?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because I don't think you're right about GC or Looker being town.
I also don't think you're right about Deimos being scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

if i am going to one sentence explain my townread on

GC

Deimos

its that

GC

Deimos

is doing his own pushes/moves forward gamestate while being argumentative towards almost everyone. Which usually isn't the scum MO and I don't see deception in any posts from

GC

Deimos

.

And meanwhile, I've found deception in the posts of GC that you're eager to ignore.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Can you explain in one sentence your scumread on Norwee so that we can get it on tape?
One sentence townread on Looker as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Another point that I want to make is that if you're eager to put Deimos in a scum narrative, I ask that you put GC in one as well.
Because if you can argue that Deimos can fake their towniness, no doubt GC can fake their towniness as well.
I ask because you might be tunnelled, but on your townreads instead of scumreads.

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You just don't like to admit that your play has looked suspicious.

Is it really? Why in your POV?

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You understand what I meant before you engaged me and you know it. There was no manipulation there.

I understand that it, but it wasn't even a suspicion/criticism. It was a reframing of the narrative that you refuse to admit even now.

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Let's say you are town right now. Who's your scum team?

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I don't even know what that post is saying.

You're exhausting.

Bro, you said I manipulated you. But there was like a good amount of time where we discussed that I'm not really sheeping you but I'm trying to understand your POV and see if I want to vote where your vote is. You even discouraged me from sheeping you, and then i reassured you that im not doing that. that's when we discussed you reads.

then completely after quickhammering votato, you create a headline that i'm manipulative.

wtf

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You don't scumread me over it?

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I said something looks bad, really to nobody, and then you couldn't let that just be because you're Very Concerned about how people view you. Hardly "creat[ing] a headline."

Okay I can see how that's not the right analogy.
But it was the first play you made after lynching votato.

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Let me just ask you this. If you think Norwee was scum, why did you let go of her lynch? Why did you choose to make Day 3 faster than it should be?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because you said if votato was scum, you were going to lynch Norwee as well. Can you see Norwee being scum with anyone else in the game right now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Deimos

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Okay my one-on-one with GC was confusing. I'm townreading him.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will learn a lot from my townplay after this game ends because I have zero grasp of what's happening right now

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fire let me know if you want me on the wagon again.

[humaneatingmonkey]

hey if you dont want me trying to get a taste, you shouldnt describe your flavor as "chocolate"

[humaneatingmonkey]

Elements stop making scummy posts

why is it scummy?

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you think now about GC after our recent 1 on 1?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why do you think scum!Deimos is giving up now? Isis and I are still townreading Deimos.

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC if youre town, id like to apologize for giving you a hard time

[humaneatingmonkey]

do you think there's been a lot of buddying from scum this game?

[humaneatingmonkey]

No one's trying to fight Norwee's lynch...
Not sure if scum or town indicative

[humaneatingmonkey]

who do you think would sweep?

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This just tells me that the scum team is the people who've been running the show the entire time.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you think about our recent 1v1? are you really townreading Looker over here?

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in newbie 1996, everyone townreading each other just means that the scum is the most townread.

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somehow somewhere, it got into our collective knowledge that "scum will never act like this" and now we've blocked out every idea that our scum is scum.
but I'm not seeing a PoE elimination list, so it's probably not the same scenario

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Isis I've become fond of our late night 1-on-1's and I'm really gonna hate it if you end up becoming scum. You're not scum, are you?

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i ran the show day 3, yes. but i dont think i ran the show day 4. if i were to run it, i would have pushed for looker.

[humaneatingmonkey]

no im gonna hammer her at your go signal

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is it a go?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Let's open this briefcase

[humaneatingmonkey]

she was fucking with you i think

[humaneatingmonkey]

HE

[humaneatingmonkey]

he was only obvious scum when you pushed him today. i still don't understand why he's obvious scum d2 and d3.

[humaneatingmonkey]

does this mean Deimos is scum and ive been pocketed hard

[humaneatingmonkey]

how likely is it that GC would hard bus two of his partners from D1?

[humaneatingmonkey]

im too lazy to do meta. what's GC's meta? do they bus hard?

[humaneatingmonkey]

does Deimos hardbuddy as scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Deimos27

[humaneatingmonkey]

we're not in LYLO. let's wagon Deimos now because I might never vote for him in LYLO.

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNVOTE:

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't want to believe that it's Deimos, but I think Deimos makes sense as Norwee's partner. I don't think I'm ever gonna vote for Deimos in LYLO, so I want to see that briefcase before that happens.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Meanwhile, I think there's a small percentage that GC still hardbussed two of his partners since D1, especially after Norwee gave that "TvS only one of us" arguments.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think there's only one scum between {Deimos27, Green Crayons} but I can't articulate my logic.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can't articulate my logic

This means it might not be logic it might be pure gut.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think we should open Deimos27' briefcase now or never.

I think Elements is town. But don't trust my reads. Norwee just flipped scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I also think that if there are any doubts re: my alignment, lynch me now or never.

[humaneatingmonkey]

he was only obvious scum when you pushed him today. i still don't understand why he's obvious scum d2 and d3.

i would also appreciate someone giving me some insight here

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fire, consider me +1 on Deimos. But I still want to see him defend this. Let's take him up on the "blitz" challenge. If we're not convinced, we can lynch him before his finals. If we are, then we'll never lynch him and he can just take a back seat.

[humaneatingmonkey]

well now's your time to reread, man

[humaneatingmonkey]

i townread norwee D2-D3 so I can understand if I'm scumread for it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

any tips for rereading?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Green crayons seems like he's emotionally distant to an extent that matches scum, even though he's interested in the events of the game. It's hard to put to words

is this even scum-indicative?

[humaneatingmonkey]

high effort anthology of posts incoming

prepare your cavities.

[humaneatingmonkey]

just so you guys know im a showrunner IRL, and our president just shut down our station for "not renewing our franchise"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/worl ... S-CBN.html

[humaneatingmonkey]

Deimos how long do you have until your finals? Hyperdeliver so we have something to look at after your death plox

[humaneatingmonkey]

Deimos isn't really trying to get anyone to think that I'm scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

he was grilling Looker on my behalf

[humaneatingmonkey]

Deimos, if we lynch in this order:

Deimos > GC > Looker

Do you think we will win?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I am also fine with leaving this game alone for a week. more time to deliver this ultra long post i'm doing

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh we're back to 2 mislynches left? can we lynch looker instead? it's like we've been betting that his anti-town play is town and not scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

he's the only one I don't townread, and i think flipping him is good.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Please Isis, Deimos, Firebringer. I don't want to sort his anti-town play.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Like I've been using Mini's Scumhunting Kit for this long post that I'm doing and he's done most of them.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You townread Deimos? But you just wanted to kill him?

I STRONGLY townread him but also I suspect he's pocketed me and I think he has a lot of equity as Norwee's partner. And also Firebringer, the person whose reads I'm trying to trust, scumreads him.

Kill your darlings

.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No. Why am I scum for wanting to lynch Looker? Have you seen his ISO?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think there's one scum in {Green Crayons, Deimos27}. Both people I have townreads in. I thought we had only one more mislynch. Lynching Deimos27 and flipping that he's town would make GC scum in my POV. Flipping him scum would clear GC. Lynching Looker when you have one more mislynch and him flipping town would fuck me up in LYLO because I don't think I'm going to lynch Deimos in LYLO.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Does that sound scum to you??

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's what I'M saying. Now that we have two mislynches, I wanna lynch scum for being scummy — namely Looker. It's just that I don't trust my reads and I'm not about to lead town into my wrong reads if there's no allowance for mistakes.

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That's what I'M saying. Now that we have two mislynches, I wanna lynch scum for being scummy — namely Looker. It's just that I don't trust my reads and I'm not about to lead town into my wrong reads if there's no allowance for mistakes.

ok so why did you want to play mafia incorrectly previously

you win mafia games by lynching scum

It's not incorrect. Firebringer had track record in being good in his reads, and he's scumreading Deimos. I can see a scum!Deimos narrative, although I disagree with it. I trust his reads more in clutch situations than my own. Period.

Remember Norwee's lynch? That's exactly what I did. I townread him prior to sheeping Firebringer, and then it turned out he was scum.

Do you think I'm scum for this POV??

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay Isis, I will explain again. Please listen.

I don't townread Looker, and I think he's scum and I want him to be lynched since D2.
Meanwhile, I'm actively fighting my own confbiases because I've lynched town D3 and D4.
So doing vanity pushes is against my wincon, because I've proven that my reads are bad.
Still, I think it's GC Looker and Norwee. GC being a person I thought was town but was really scum.
D5, I sheep Firebringer because I think he will deliver scum regardless of alignment.
Firebringer delivers Norwee as scum.
I realize Firebringer might be town and right about Deimos being scum + GC being town.
I feel like only one of Deimos and GC can be scum together. There's also a plausible narrative that Deimos can be scum. However, I townread Deimos because he feels genuine and I resonate with his POV.
I think there's only one mislynch left, so I need to choose between GC or Deimos because I don't want to battle my two townreads together. There's strong incentive for me to follow Firebringers' reads first, so I'm inclined to do it.

What doesn't make sense to you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: I feel like only one of Deimos and GC can be scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's actually something that I began to ask myself immediately upon typing it, because I realized it makes no logical sense

[humaneatingmonkey]

I guess I was thinking that there's only one scum in people I'm townreading.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hey don't add insult to injury

[humaneatingmonkey]

You never did send me that friend request, HEM

You're in my friends list since I made the post, Deimos. I don't think you receive requests for it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, do you think it's GC and Deimos?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Both are my townreads, so they're probably scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

The game's in a poor state and I feel like HEM is controlling it.

We just lynched scum, we're back to 2 mislynches, and you think the game's in a poor state?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I see. And he thinks it's me and Firebringer as the last scum? Why does that make sense to you, Isis?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, I really need this from you and I hope you give in to my request. But can you ISO Looker and tell me what you think about him?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will listen to everything that you say about this person.

[humaneatingmonkey]

it seems like he was belligerent and suspicious of me from the start but look at his votes.

[humaneatingmonkey]

yuck

[humaneatingmonkey]

he's annoyed about your crush on him, and im annoyed that you have a crush on him not me

[humaneatingmonkey]

F

[humaneatingmonkey]

The nicest Looker will ever be to anyone is when he's mocking someone else by copying their posts.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's not very organic because it's coming from Looker's avatar

[humaneatingmonkey]

thirstiest post yet, Isis

[humaneatingmonkey]

this is gonna be good

[humaneatingmonkey]

I now see the comedy behind Looker's posts. Accidental or not, I don't really care.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think it would be possible for scum to effectively avoid all mislynches.

Why not?

[humaneatingmonkey]

If I randomly sample 10 of your games and see that there's one scum who has successfully avoided non-LYLO lynches, would you self-hammer?

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, if we're doing naked VCs, you shouldn't put yourself there as violet if the information doesn't reflect it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No thanks I'll just leech off your work and un-confirm you as necessary

[humaneatingmonkey]

this is getting disturbing and my crush of u is waning quick

[humaneatingmonkey]

you're a dirty dirty scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fire, if you're right about everything, I think you're one of the most underrated town players on this site.

It's okay, you can put that in your sig.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm half-checked out off this game and I'm not even trying anymore. I feel like I have to change that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

dont pick out posts to fit your narrative. he said he was going to ISO him. he defends Norwee based on VCA.

[humaneatingmonkey]

would deimos call out one ally for naked voting another ally?

my vote is nope

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes. but also GC.

[humaneatingmonkey]

sort it out buddy im ready to sheep you again, but i will give some sort of resistance when it comes to deimos.

[humaneatingmonkey]

no wait i think i townread looker

[humaneatingmonkey]

Does Clemency and Norwee push Looker at any point?

[humaneatingmonkey]

My idea is Looker is scumbait and if they've shown that they've pushed him, maybe he's town. If he's scum, we wouldn't see that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay here I go. I'm going to re-read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Just sheep me then

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can change for you bb

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh lawdy lawd my reads are about to change big time

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hey so this guy is asking for feedback in mafia discussion so im gonna use his scumhunting kit to read this game.

Methodology:
A: PERSPECTIVE

-Core Reasoning:
• The Town players have to figure out who is on their team or who is their enemy.
• The Town players are acting from a genuine and honest perspective.
• The Mafia players already knows who is and is not on their team, and generally have a good idea of the alignment of the rest of the players.
• The Mafia players have to fake their perspective and deceive the town.

1. TMI
2. Confidence Gap
3. Easy Town Creds
4. Anti-OMGUS
5. Inconsistency
6. Flailing

B. INTENTION
-Core Reasoning:
• The Town players objective is to figure out who is on their team or who their enemy is and eliminate those players.
• The Mafia players objective is to avoid being identified/lynched, keep their team mates from being identified/lynched.
• The Mafia has no obligation to do anything but survive the day cycle until night so they can kill another player.

1. Self-Preservation
2. No Scumhunting
3. IIoA
4. Pillow Push

C. ASSOCITION
-Core Reasoning:
• The Mafia players have a known Team that they can work with and a shared chat to coordinate activities.
• The Town players usually have no team they coordinate with.
• The Mafia Players have a vested interest in keeping their team mates alive.

1. Counterwagon
2. Puppet Show
3. Aversion
4. IronMan
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Readthrough:
#41 Isis - Scumpoints (S) - Easy town creds on Norwee
#57 Isis - S - Easy town creds on Elements. Isis TMI'd Elements intention on joining her fake gamesolve.
#69 Isis - Supporting Evidence (E) - Admits Elements try to get some value out of joining in on stuff as scum. Yet townread. Inconsistency.
#82 Elements - S - Easy town creds on Firebringer and Looker.
#94 Isis - S - "I have all sorts of theory opinions about this topic I'd want to say postgame but I'm not sure whether they serve my wincon right now." This is pretty fucking weird. I can't think of a question that you can't open to the town if your wincon is town. Although there's WIFOM that she wouldn't say this if she was scum — but the appropriate counteranswer is WIFOM.
#141 Isis - S - Scumreads Norwee but doesn't use that doublevote Firebringer gave him.
#164 Isis - E - Confirms she reads Norwee as suspicious, but doesn't wagon him.
#173 GC - Townpoints (T) - This feels like genuine POV.
#189 Isis - E - Votes Cycle Men instead of Norwee, even if the collective reads on Cycle Men at this point is "active lurker".
#206-209 - Norwee + Isis - E - This feels like a puppet show to me.
#211 - Norwee on Cycle Men vs ABR - This reveals that scumteam has decided to bus Cycle Men.
#228 - Isis - S - Changes vote to GC for flimsy reasons, inconsistent with her POV that Norwee is scum.
#234 - Elements - T - No self-preservation.
#246 - Looker - T - Town!Looker from my meta dive is belligerent and anti-consensus as hell. Scum!Looker plays in coordination with the town and his team. (Firebringer, challenge my meta here.) This was Scum!Looker's chance to justify putting his wagon on a possible mislynch, or join scum in bussing Cycle Men. He didn't take it.
#268 - Isis - E - Says she doesn't have any strong reads, but that's inconsistent with the events thus far.

I got cut off by watching Rick and Morty.

[humaneatingmonkey]

General note up to #331 - GC + Norwee - TvS - This doesn't feel like a puppet show to me. Every question GC asks exposes Norwee as scum and feels contra to the scum agenda of bussing Cycle Men.
#316 - GC - T - This looks like genuine honest perspective to me.
General Note up to #320 - Deimos27 - T - I don't believe that he's doing IIoA. His posts further his progression and his questions I can believe to be genuinely developing reads.
#326 - Clemency vs Deimos27 - TvS - This doesn't feel like a puppet show to me. Also, I don't think it's likely that Cycle Men will be townreading his scumbuddies so boldly if the strategy is bussing.
#363 - Firebringer - T - Although I disagree with his points, there was no aversion to saying Isis didn't push Norwee and pushed GC instead — which I think scum would omit in their ISO.
#376 - Firebringer - T - Scumreading someone for being verbose and analytical is not scum's MO. They believe it's more town! to read those kinds of players as town. This indicates town paranoia.
#416 - Isis - S - strongest vote on votato, but ignores previous reads on Norwee.
#417, 418, 421 - Norwee + Clemency on Deimos - SvSvT - These sound like scum TMI-defending Deimos, instead of scum buddies defending each other. Remember, they have decided to bus.
#421, #425 - GC + Clemency - TvS - Not a puppet show.
#426 - Isis - E - Check out who else is defending Deimos.
To quote GC: You're just araid of wagons for some awful reason.
#427 - Isis - S - Inconsistency. She believes that Deimos is getting bad-cased and she can't see the angle that Deimos is scum, yet shows that she is considering a Deimos redflip.
#431 - Isis - S - This sounds like TMI defense. She's assigning motivation to Deimos based on information that isn't explicit in the thread.

I know I'm fucking up Firebringer's townblock by doing this but I've seen enough to do this:

VOTE: Isis

Still, I'm going to continue re-reading.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Based on what I have so far, I'm willing to go Isis > Elements. Let me finish my re-read though.

[humaneatingmonkey]

#456 - Looker - T - "Do you feel that either Cycle Men or NorwegianboyEE are scum?" I don't think scum will write these.
#516, #522 - Elements - S - TMI, Confidence Gap, Inconsistency, Flailing - Defends Looker townread as Looker being organic, then backtracks that he confused Looker with someone else. I bought these as fact and being silly, but then I checked and he had two completed games with Looker recently.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Bruh I'm glad I did a re-read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Please Firebringer, GC, Deimos27, Looker — Look at these. Blow your mislynch on me if you want but you have to lynch Isis > Elements.

[humaneatingmonkey]

#560 - humaneatingmonkey's case on Elements:

Rare case I'll do an ISO because it's so short

I believe Elements was confused as I was that Isis was serious in her proposition.

#22
I can see scum, thinking that the proposition was serious, joining in early like this to get free towncred. Note that he said "I like this plan" even though it's flawed (if you take it seriously). There was no indication that he thought it was a joke.

Elements' reads are TMI and opportunistic.
#80
It's weird to scumread someone for an obvious joke (i get the irony)
so it's either scum!Elements TMI-ing scum!votato or scum!Elements looking for a low hanging fruit

#230
it's weird to flatly say that cycle man is a valid lynch option without trying to get a read on him first. (yes i also get the irony, but in my defense, i just wasn't convinced of votato's POV in early early D1)

Elements' townreads are also opportunistic.
#81

on alisae [url=https://forum.mafiascum ... 83693]#230 again on me, monkey
this strikes me as a pocket attempts.

#82
these reads, with nothing to base it on, strike me as TMI. and i dont really buy his justification. even if it's true, it doesn't explain his firebringer read.[/quote]

[humaneatingmonkey]

#566, 570 - GC - General Note - We now know that scum was playing the long game by bussing Cycle Men so this town interpretation of Isis defending Deimos no longer holds up IMO.
#602 - 607, 614 - Isis, Norwee, Cycle Men - SvSvS - Puppet show, Pillow Push
#611 - Isis - S - Easy town creds. I townslipped because I didn't remember the amount of my questions?
#620, 626, 635 - Isis - S - Confidence Gap: Saying Alisae's #619 was scum-indicative. But not pressing her. Alisae pushes, Isis changes her stance from scum-indicative to "I don't know if scum indciative is the right word." — Flailing, then Anti-OMGUS as she ends the interaction with a "you're town.".

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm gonna stop here because I think I've already caught scum, and further readthrough is just unnecessary.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you want me to proceed and you guys are not convinced. Fine. But I think this is more than enough.

[humaneatingmonkey]

[humaneatingmonkey]

You went from "scumread me pls" to "please be not dumb". I'm glad I'm in the right direction.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I forgot about that. Let me see if I can find it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mafia From Home - iDanyBoy. Successfully avoided all mislynches. Let me know if I got that right.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82578

If it's wrong, I'll find another one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So, Looker, you'll lynch Isis now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I honestly think meta doesn't count if the player is already self-aware to their meta.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lots of ad hominems by Isis, but not enough that addresses my points.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Looker, here's another one:
bob3141 - Mini Normal 2114
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81789

[humaneatingmonkey]

So not only have you been in one game where scum has successfully avoided a mislynch — you've been in TWO games.

In fact, if I scour more, I believe I can find more. You have games leading back to 2009. Are you lying or did you forget?