Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

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but he's a cute vanilla townie

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Aldus appreciation page post suns only

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Ducky did you soft in PYP? I don't remember.

I do distinctly remember you softing in Sharing is Caring.

I can't remember for either of those games

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i'm neutral unless people actually think this wagon makes sense in which case i'm happy to go first. lol.

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i'd say SS is the most mechancially_smart person here ya

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@ work atm i'll Do More Words later: i'm a bodyguard neighbour.

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yeah.

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why weren't you on lilith ... ?

the confirmed vanilla?

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it literally did not occur to me that she would be killed n1 here

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SS.

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i like
would never have shot lilith there

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oh my, i think i know which game that is from.

:3

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SS.

you thought ss was more likely to do than lilith ???

yes

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like dkko was both towny and softed tpr very very early in the game
SS is semi-caught up but hasn't laid down confident reads and is a stronger lategame player

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i seriously contemplated bging you for a minute (then decided Not to for obvious reasons)
i considered bging pooky for a minute
i considered bging datisi for a minute

straight up i "not killed n1" binned lilith on instinct.

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yeah neon mafia by dats, it was as captain the furret

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yeah, the alignment has to be the same as the original role. however, that setup also had a scum neighbour, and nothing's stopping scum!duck from flaiming to be the town neighbor in that game so...

bruh

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i have this sinking feeling like i'm going to be eliminated this game.

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also bg + fn = yes

ftfy

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ok i'm still Skeptical and being on ss isn't helping because it was p obvious lilith was dying last night

i think this is like, an absurd perspective to double down on and just completely disagree
sorry that hindsight is 20/20 but i poe'd lilith out of my pool like... almost immediately

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do you have like crumbs/softs that would be useful to point out now?

i thought skitter's confirmable tpr comment was like, Not Probable
otherwise like i never try to directly crumb bodyguard, no. i definitely crumbed tpr.

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you guys want the punchline, don't you?

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like you're appraoching things in this game from such a sideways pov / you're looking at things completely perpendicularly to the way i am that i'm just constantly scratching my head cuz i really don't get your pov here

which has been like the default stance scum!you takes towards me recently (tm2020, mbos9) :/

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i thought skitter's confirmable tpr comment was like, Not Probable

and does scum!me ever make that play ????

you were like extremely scummy yday and then claimed a ~~ n1 confirmable tpr ~~ before you could become a cw to aldus and

I

am a n1 confirmable tpr so like, honestly? i had no idea what the hell you were doing. but i didn't buy it, no.

pedit no it's not

i

go reread those games, lol, you literally defaulted to a "i do not understand you" stance in both.

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i'm not shading your alignment, i'm shading your ability to bias-check & have this exchange :/

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you guys want the punchline, don't you?

what's the punchline?

i don't have a neighbour.

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if there are any neighbors, I suggest that there are claims on D2 and those claims matched up to the spreadsheet. (should i survive).

i'll cosign the d2 neighbour claims but i'm not convinced a like, holistic massclaim is the way to go tho

can i suggest just eliminating datisi d1 and shelving mech discussions until later?

yeah ddkoba but why would we want to do that and also why are you treating neighbor claims extra special?

there were very few specific types of neighbors across games so a neighbor claim is corroborated by a neighborhood existing as well. i believe neighbors should immediately claim to their neighborhood should they exist (claim the setup)

actually i like this idea.

the neighbour part i did try to crumb fwiw

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itt i'm laughing but inside i'm crying

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what if post#11!me was right
what if it's just skitter/datisi

skitisi?
datster?
hmmmmmm

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*sniff sniff*

is that... the sour sigh of caught scum?!

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i would call you/skitter like, the least likely scumteam.

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uhhh
not one i know of
let me check

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i do not

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if it's any comfort i'm still like, kind of processing the reality where you're town this game

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i'm also trying very hard not to play the "UGH YOU'RE TUNNELED LEAVE ME ALONE" card because i'm also wary that that's like.. both annoying & not ai for me

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I hope Pooky is not a full vig

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fmpov there's an elephatn in the room

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though the sages do encourage us to just ignore elephants in the room.

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fmpov there's an elephatn in the room

?

elephant*

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ducky i know but like what are you talking about

elephants
big dudes
grey skin
trunks

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we should just finish massclaim at this point imo

dsjstr -> raven -> datisi -> S_S order?

*duck seal of approval*
choo choo

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Trying to decide if I would value noelim and having Pooky shoot (/me die???) more than I would value an elim atp

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like if pooky is a town vig who is a vig shooting n2 is a throw

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does anyone know off hand if there's been a strongman in a micro in the last year?

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There's something so great about being asked to believe in pooky the magical bear

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The problem is that to accept that plan, we also have to carte blanche accept you as town who will be the final person standing and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

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... at a bare (bear) minimum I think there's enough merit in this that I don't want to eliminate Pooky right now

pedit: yeah I also strongly doubt that scum let town!you live with a x% chance you're a full blown vig.

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@duckling, why would you want Pooky to shoot you though, that part I’m not getting?

I don't want Pooky to shoot me. I want to be a be the scum nk!

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p shit right now

this is pretty much a mood

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I think it's optimal for skitter to visit the person who is like most eliminatable/least likely to be nightkilled regardless of their alignment

If they are scum who decide to lie they're forced into a skitter/dats scumteam so they very likely just say whether they were visited for real?

unless there's a roleblocker or something

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skitter should visit pooky

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?
I still feel like I'm probably a late miselim if I can't eat a NK here

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Tbh I feel pretty obvtown but I still can't shake the feeling.
I should be nk'd before endgame anyway tho so it's a moot point.

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I don't townread either of dsj or Pooky anymore. I kinda don't want to talk about my townreads or give tiered reads rn.

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I keep going to say "if I'm wrong it's blah" then remembering that's tiering my reads : )

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Do my townreads really need to be secret if I'm camping skitter tho

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indeed
i appreciate you sharing it
not sure if it's super convincing cuz it relies on a series of assumptions that i'm not sure hold

is it bad that i think that micc just wouldn't include a bomb in this game so pooky is just lying?

it's not - same here

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i wouldnt fake claim vig as scum period lol

sure but you claimed like possibly vig possibly blank vig who knows? guess we'll need to wait til after xylo to find out which is pretty survivalism motivated

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But the claim was a player in that game who was a blank vig and you tried to pass it off as uncertain what kind of vig you were... Like if I'm unduly sceptical I'll own it postgame but it feels like you would've backed out of a full vig claim eventually and your fakeclaim plan very literally had you going through to 2:2 / 1:1 while claiming a slot which was a blank vig and not being sure whether or not you yourself were a blank vig

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Food for thought, does a dsj/Pooky scumteam mutually beg to be eliminated before Xylo or am I wrong about someone?

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I do feel like both of them are holding their breath dayplay-wise for people to make a decision

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VOTE: dsjstr

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If I'm wrong then I'd like to be the hammer today.

can you explain why you want to be hammer today?

I have many many many town games where I am the elim in ELO, I'd like to avoid that.

note that dsjstr, who currently thinks it's datisi/raven (i think at least...?) saw me somewhat successfully convincing skitter to vote for pooky and this is like the only thing he had to say about the whole thing

though am i insane for wanting to execute him tomorrow after pooky flip?

maybe slightly :#
i feel like pooky could be scum with dsj
in a worst case scenario tho i also feel like pooky is easier to solve than dsj in f5. pooky's claim also means he's like guaranteed to be alive tomorrow so there's some microscopic utility add in having him confirm skitter

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my biggest fear rn is we lynch dsj, he flips green then i get speedlynched in lylo for the easy win. I think if you flip me today you remove the lylo speedlynch threat and also have a better shot tommorrow.

Who's scum in this world?

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im scum with u dats, don'tcha know?

Can you two recruit me?

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deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

I don't think this ever happens fyi

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I'm no longer scum with skitter. I've become scum with SS. this is wild.

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I can tell you for a fact that anytime I have interacted with people like Raven when I am town they turn out to be town. That is my strongest read, unfortunately I became irrational when thinking that I was going to end up ruining the game for town.

Sorry if I'm just like missing it but what's got you hard clearing Raven?

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Imagine me/dkko being a s/s interaction

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that was not addressed to the worst but uhhh the existance of tw/s_s scumteam is also cool

i dont think tw/ss can be scumteam cuz would mean town would only have 1 PR

did you forget you're fakeclaiming PR?

i wondered if i was the only one who spotted this
i'm fine eliminating pooky today

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happy scumday btw pooky

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im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

how are you townreading him ?????

also i think i'm promoting raven to maybe-town

i dont think he plays the lynch-me card here as scum

if it actually turns out to be pooky/dsjstr this is gonna be a very funny post postgame

conversely if it's anyone but pooky/dsj whoever makes it to the last phase is going to have a really really bad time

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i'm so glad i won't be alive for all that much longer

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Imagine me/dkko being a s/s interaction

koba is a very creative and fun player. I can see them doing some crazy shit as scum

this was explicitly about the koba/ss slot tho

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tw do u still think that this might just be like lynchbait-y dsjstr?

i Felt this on d1 but i stopped Feeling it during this phase because it definitely feels like he's trying to get somewhere; now that suspicion is on him he's really heavily playing into the lynchbait-y thing

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does he?

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if this was white flag i'd probably eliminate pooky but if i had one dayvig shot i'd probably shoot dsj

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~ no comment ~

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eh
no it's not weird
i was starting to get anxious about him as well

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i keep revisiting raven as well and i think she's just town

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dats is town or my name is not the wrsots

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Imagine me/dkko being a s/s interaction

koba is a very creative and fun player. I can see them doing some crazy shit as scum

this was explicitly about the koba/ss slot tho

my suspicion of ss is because I think he knows im town

this feels like a really strange decision if pooky is scum with ss tho

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the wrsots

who?

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fr though i think i want dsj more than pooky

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ss, could you update us on where you're at?
i'm not feeling as confident as i wish i was, tbh

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if bugs was actually scum there's like a 100% chance there is a chess match in the scum pt

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e4

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Let's policy elim datisi for not spamming

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I appreciate the amount of effort you put into that, but I'd rather lose to scumtisi posting well than win against scumtisi because he didn't post enough fluff. This will sound dismissive but it's v much a me thing / an argument I'm not comfortable engaging with at an ethos level

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I think that data might be more useful as a % of posts per phase as well, just tangentially

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stupid pronouns!!!!
obviously i had datisi on my mind

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i'm like, probably not going to meta dive dsjstr

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my reads are really just [giant mess] > dsjstr

we definitely need dsjstr's flip to make sense of anything

This is pretty close to where my thoughts are. We're on a precipice where this game is either fairly sortable or someone is hell-bent on ruining my day.

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fwiw I both think dsjstr's vote on datisi could be distancing and don't buy datisi's argument that he wouldn't have confirmed skitter as scum here

This is a hot take
I'm not really sure I'm seeing dats as scum rn but I do agree that scum!dats probably does confirm skitter.

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dsj flips scum -> we can probably just kill you/raven and be happy

dsj flips town -> something is rotten in the state of denmark. is it datisi? is it tw? who knows, really, we get to have a real fun and by fun I mean not fun lylo to figure that one out.

Yes this one exactly.

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skitter on this page is the more eloquent brain thought version of of my brain thoughts. `-`

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kinda similar to the bodyguard dilemma, i actually don't strongly disagree with the mindset of locktown players keeping their townreads obfuscated / only interfering if they don't like the direction a phase is going in

pedit: also they probably should not post garbage
which is a lesson i haven't learned yet

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i agree with that but also really think ss' alignment is like a dialogue for tomorrow if we mis-elim today
this also means i don't have to sort ss
yeeeet

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his scum iso's tend to be flat, devoid of scumhunting, and his posts are more of the nature 'hi i'm still posting i'm still here' than, like, scumhunting. his reads change on a dime as convenient.

in his towngames, in contrast, tend to have a coherent thought process wherein you can see his reads and they follow through from post to post, and his posting tends to further his thoguth process/narrative

does anyone think the bolded describes dsjstr's game here?

i thought i saw pings of a coherent ~against-the-flow~ thought process on d1 but holistically, no not really

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if this is my legacy then it shall be a glorious legacy:

ASSUMING I DIE NOBODY AUTOVOTE TOMORROW TY

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correct <3

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Skitter is flitting between misrepresentation and absurd mechspec and like she is clearly throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick and I have no idea why she hasn't already been eliminated

how far we've come

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btw at some point i realized that (1) the nightkills are probably going to be duck > skitter and (2) executions are probably gonna be dsjstr > pooky and like if the game doesn't end it's gonna be final 3 of s_s/raven/dats and there is not a word in the english language that can describe how much i don't want to play in that final 3

i was highkey dreading the fact this would be the final 3 and i literally have no idea what i would do in it gl;hf

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but also

SUCKERSSSSSSS

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I blame dkkoba

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I choose to ignore your irony and substitute it with doubling down that everything is koba's fault for sure

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I want to see the flip too :C
But I kinda think letting Raven check back in first is pretty important

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aw heck

ok we can hammer now

pedit: oh nvm

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UNVOTE:

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sleep well!

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i thought the quote was pretty convincing :{

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raven i think i'm largely waiting for if you have anything to say - are you ready for today to end?

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VOTE: dsjstr go town

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likewise skit <3 sorry for the epicfailtunnel

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if that isn't a mood ;^;

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i hope that dsj playing quick before the mod comes w/o posting here means he's antispewing

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no need to be scared of me, friend

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PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY

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I can't decide whether I should be laughing or crying but this is fucking wild

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I like. Don't think datisi is scum here at all. The mark got through my bg so I kind of just don't care whether Pooky's claim is real or not and will go and sort thru dayplay

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why is this a point? or like why is lylo so much better for scum here than mylo?

Because you only have to fool one townie rather than two?

this

also fuck being scum in mylo with town!skitter alive

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Like if I'm scum with Pooky, I'm clearly not going for the megabus angle, so I think there's at least a chance we can both endgame. So why would I make that job way way harder while keeping alive a duck who's objectively terrifying?

is "scum!s_s fears town!duck" correct?

I'd call this a very fair assessment yeah.

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I'm not really sure how I'd have reacted to any of that as scum tbh i feel like every time a new piece of this setup is unveiled I start perceiving reality in a new dimension

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So are we just looking at 2/3 in ss/pooky/dats?

gth I'd put Raven in the PoE before dats

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Ah yeah, that's the PoE I'm starting with.

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Obligatorily I'll probably check my dats read but it just feels Correct `-`

pedit: gun to head, like don't hold me to this but if I absolutely must answer on threat of death

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My brain isn't really doing anything but abstract nonsense tonight
I'm kind of like secretly hyped by that MFD
but also kind of reeling that I'm still alive
but also I'm drunk tired
ily all goodnight

pedit: i could have blocked the n1 kill I guess? I'm not really ready to parse what the function of marking you but keeping me alive is either

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literally my first impression is that scum want me elim'd today - afaict that f3 with me instead of whoever only benefits me ?

I don't feel..... distinctly pocketed by anyone this game unless you're scum

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skitter/dats scumteam ez game

friendly reminder

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dats my dear it's always time for moonlogic

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I should probably go and try to sleep again!

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Exactly. @SS aren’t you supposed to be some mech genius or something?

I am. There's a big difference between killing someone tomorrow and killing them today. You may note that skitter is still alive and confirmed and can lead us in lylo. If not for the BG, they could (and would) have just killed her.

The mark is a strongman with a drawback. No point in having a strongman if there's nothing for it to bypass.

ss/tw scumteam confirmed

sick we got one

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literally my first impression is that scum want me elim'd today

what gave you this impression?

I've felt a kind of sense of despair on & off through this game. I can't decide if it's intuition or like a strange backwards anxiety? but I feel quite comfortable that scum probably aren't in a particularly strong decision entering this phase & there's a reasonable chance I'm being set up.

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Writing that out/thinking about it more I think I'm just being paranoid - I don't really think Pooky's suddenly-confident SS/TW solve on this page is town motivated tho

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position*

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That's a pretty good point actually.

All I meant is I feel like Dats is pretty clearly town via dayplay; in a gamestate where I was flipped town and you were confirmed town we'd be looking at a mech PoE of {ss,pooky,raven} in 2:3 which means they have exactly one mis-elim prospect.

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Via reads yes but not mechanically
There's def. a difference between literal cleared/flipped players and people who are communally townread

I guess by extension technically you're also mech-PoE-but-not-happening

all I'm saying is I kind of expect scum to come at me today or try and keep options open

pedit: that's fair, and given your xylo prowess I would expect literally nothing less of you. re pooky=>SS I have nearly no opinion on Pooky saying he wants to flip ss today

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I think my head is just in a weird place wrt this phase; I'm also a tiny bit hung over so I might need to cure that then come back with a fresh set of eyes.

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We should probably hit 5k for vanity's sake!

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also duck do you have like thoughts or something

SS is townier than raven atm
I don't really think Pooky is town like at all rn
I'd rather do a reread and like at a minimum try to double check scum!you or a raven/ss world
But also I'm kinda under the weather so I'm boycotting Thinking and Brain Things this weekend

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what are you trying to sell me? s_s/tw?

I think he's trying to sell pretzels? or is it popcorn? I can't tell

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i could go for some popcorn right now

also if at any point you need me to explode into Obvtown Nonsense (or however you called it earlier) hmu

Feel very welcome to - i think you're kinda outside of scumrange anyway, it's just due diligence STONEHENGE

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...the fuck?
atp* not STONEHENGE

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i blame lilith
and also I blame STONEHENGE

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I'll listen, pooks

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i never troll ^{[citation needed]}.

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i'm not sure why you'd jump to the conclusion that i'm just going to boldly ignore everything you say. i think i make a pretty strong effort of engaging people/new ideas in good faith.

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sorry it's probably a few hours / tomorrow before i can get to this.

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next couple of days should be fine; i'm starting to resume being a human today

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The case in the post above this literally only makes sense if you've already decided SS is scum

why weren't you on lilith ... ?

the confirmed vanilla?

this answer is weird to me

I don't understand why a BG would guard a vanilla townie - because even if you succeed - you basically traded a bg for a vanilla townie...

also this is exactly what I'm saying there

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also which game is TW's bg neighbor from? re-reading his ISO and I couldn't find it

Neon Mafia by Datisi iirc, don't have the number. I can find it later

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Can you two stop talking around it and actually case me if you think I'm scum? I think I made it abundantly obvious I'm not going to take a mis-elim lying down, so stop pussyfooting.

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all I'm saying is I kind of expect scum to come at me today or try and keep options open

see i'm really confused by this pov ...

a) pooky has just done that and that doesn't seem to be making you push him
b) who exactly are these scum that are trying to do this?

a) yes I think Pooky is transparently playing to an agenda this phase. Im under the weather and don't really have the energy levels to cohesively push back at someone who is clearly setting me up. I'll try this harder when I'm less not human.
b) I mean it was a sinking gut feeling more than a gamestate read at the time but if the shoe fits ?

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SS is townier than raven atm

??? go on

SS' opening to this phase felt more open minded / in line with town!SS

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tw, explain why pooky is scum and why ss is townier than raven

Pooky is driving the fuck out of an agenda which I think Raven is pussyfooting around and I feel like SS has just had a considered approach to this phase that's more in line with what I'd be expecting to see coming from town here

I probably owe a reread but that's front of mind

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Is it bad that my main reason for thinking tw might be town is that he wouldnt conftown me in lylo?

I think you know that going up against you when:
1) I'm scum and you're town,
2) I'm town and you're not literally confirmed,
are personal nightmares

am I enough of a masochist to do it? probably, in theory

in practice like, would I put this much effort into hoping I can successfully pocket you (when I have not succeeded since December 2018), setting up the bg claim (which you'd need to assume I decided to fakeclaim on day one) and intentionally created a gamestate where conftown skitter is trying to hunt myself and my scumbuddy in a gamestate where town!Datisi is still alive?

I think you're well positioned to read me correctly in this game but I'm also acutely aware that if I'm scum I now basically have to just pocket you and hope for the best so whatever idk

sorry this is hard to empathise with rn

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fmpov there's an elephatn in the room

What was this btw?

I thought dkko softed something

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The case in the post above this literally only makes sense if you've already decided SS is scum

why weren't you on lilith ... ?

the confirmed vanilla?

this answer is weird to me

I don't understand why a BG would guard a vanilla townie - because even if you succeed - you basically traded a bg for a vanilla townie...

also this is exactly what I'm saying there

I’m town, Dats is very likely to be town. Mechwise if you’re scum than this game seems very scumsided but rn, Pooky is looking townier than you but yeah it think it very possible that SS is either your buddy or possibly has a tmi if I’m wrong on on you, so why aren’t you even considering that as a possibility? It sounds like you’ve decided SS is town despite his confirming your role based on mfd mech which really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, so why aren’t you even questioning that?

that's not what I'm doing.. pooky's case on SS only makes sense if he's already decided that SS is scum. I'll accept that maybe that makes sense in a town!Pooky world as well but even that feels like an applied read? Like I think it's really obvious Pooky is driving an agenda

pedit: well like if there isn't a town protective in the setup why would the MFD kill be here? it probably confirms 1+ town in {tw,Pooky} in a more literal sense but like I don't see why I would bat an eyelid at that because it's correct?

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Why would you even like, expect me to question that...

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because the only emotion i ever feel as scum is Panic when i'm threatened by the rope and everything else has to be completely fabricated versus as town i get angry (and whatever other feelings there are) much too easily

Dats also has a hard time responding to complex/nuanced thoughts and gamestates as scum and I think his fluidity in reacting to me being a pain in the ass => me and dkko fighting => all the magnificent shitfires of this game is pretty town indicative.

There's a small subset of this plist who enjoys playing as scum and is capable of a pretty impressive level of fluidity when responding to things as scum because they Want To and Are Having Fun and datisi is not part of that subset

don't @ me

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he's just not imo

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Here I Go outing the tell I didn't want to out. I'm disappointed this is a conversation people need to have without actually going "yo hi XYZ is scum indicative for dats"

I'm also acutely aware that my dats=>tw pocketability is quite high and still don't feel pocketed.

I'm as free as a bird, probably.

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we're both missing someone

.....right in the feels.
this is similar to how I felt about your claim yeah.

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: ) WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE POOKY IS EXPLOSIVELY ATE-ING AND NOW THE ENTIRE POE WANTS HIM ALIVE HMMMMM : )

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ggest fear rn is we lynch dsj, he flips green then i get speedlynched in lylo for the easy win. I think if you flip me today you remove the lylo speedlynch threat and also have a better shot tommorrow.

Pooky your biggest claim to towniness is your play y'day... In retrospect it looks exactly like you approached yesterday as though you already new dsj was going to flip green :/

Saying "hey guys elim me instead" is somewhat >rand town in isolation but you also seem acutely aware of this which cancels out the meta tell. outside of that:

- despite calling for your elim you were not making an effort to solve the game meaningfully; despite thinking dsj was a miselim you were still waiting for his flip to solve the game despite the fact you wanted to be elim'd before him?

- given you didn't actually try to play anti survivalistically D2 outside of weakly signalling that we should elim you while the major wagon was elsewhere, I'm not at all convinced that you actually wanted to die more than you wanted dsj to die.

- the fact you're suddenly swinging around and wielding this as a "never elim me I'm conftown via being outside of my scumrange" based on a posting pattern which I'm pretty sure I could train my fish to do, strikes me as closet to sheer survivalism than an effort to earnestly clear yourself

This just reads extremely fake.

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I've never seen an offer for self-execution that wasn't mechanical be taken seriously. Have you?

the only time i've seen a "lynch me i don't wanna do lylo if you'll just lynch me then" was from scum. who i called out on their bullshit. and then they killed me and town ignored my read and oooooh i'm still salty but anyway

pocketed irl ty

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a) yes I think Pooky is transparently playing to an agenda this phase. Im under the weather and don't really have the energy levels to cohesively push back at someone who is clearly setting me up. I'll try this harder when I'm less not human.
b) I mean it was a sinking gut feeling more than a gamestate read at the time but if the shoe fits ?

a) i hope you feel better
b) when u are more human, i would like specific names, and ot just a general gamestate read plz

a) getting there for sure - thank you!
b) sorry I thought I was quite transparent. Pooky is scum.

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Pooky is driving the fuck out of an agenda which I think Raven is pussyfooting around and I feel like SS has just had a considered approach to this phase that's more in line with what I'd be expecting to see coming from town here

no offense but this is a bunch of buzzwords and idk what this actually means
i'm particularly interested in the 'why you think this look like town!ss bit'

there's one bit in here that's a buzzword. literally one.

SS here is reminding me more of when I've played with him as town than when I've read his scumgames. I don't think him holding his vote is remotely scum indicative and I think he's parsing information in a way which is indicative of town!SS

without like, going back over games and highlighting specific things I'm not really sure how to demonstrate this

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is there any chance of dats being a deepwolf at this point?

no

I read skitter's post before I scrolled down and read datisi's post and I like, literally JUST stopped myself from spitting my coffee out

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It's the Obvtown Breakdown (dada-doo-doo, dada-doo-doo-doo)

ilu.

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> tw claimed something about his role that is somewhat risky and could've possibly made him get executed
> i claimed the same thing about my role
> "hey it's more likely that these are both true"

lke it's not conclusive but

pedit: s i g h

literally this; it lends credibility to that aspect of the role. I don't think it makes either of us explicitly more likely to be town, but it increases confidence in Micc mod meta wrt how he conceptualised the roles for this game

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tw who's my scumbuddy if I'm scum?

Raven > SS > dats

outside chance of me

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can you explain why him claiming neighbor could possibly lead to him getting executed? like I really dont get this part

are you doing this on purpose??

like
holy shit
neighbour is a role who is in a hood and can comunicate privately with one or more other neighbours
that's the point of the role
and duck was claiming "hey i am a neighbour, a role that can communicate with another neighbour, except i am not really a neighbour becaus ei cannot communicate with anyone becuase i don't have a neighbour"
when he was already under fire
and at least someone was gonna comment "hey... that maybe.... sounds like a lie......"

I kinda hate that I'm about to say this but

yes

like at some point I would have picked something other than neighbourless neighbour (bad fakeclaim) bodyguard (bad fakeclaim) - the neighbour bit literally only has credibility because of datisi's role.

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oh. yeah I guess in hindsight the bodyguard fakeclaim would actually be pretty decent given scum!me would know about the MFD thing. But it's actually part of the setup this time.

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Since we are only playing with 1 role from each game, it doesn't make any sense to me why a neighbor or a lover would have a neighbor/lover partner

because that's the point of the role???????

am i speaking english

is this a dream

I feel more high off the fumes of this game the closer to present day I get

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like i dont see the downside of neighborless neighbor claim, it's just an extra detail any scum could slip into their fake-claim

Wow Cool What A Real Thought And Not Shading Nice One

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like first three pages of the game
mostly for the setup work that he did and that he thought that games couldn't/wouldn't have weird mechanics

if it's any help I am spectacularly indifferent towards this

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like if I had to make a graph of the effort level in this game rn it'd be :

I'm literally sick for a weekend and .......

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which is why btw I think TW/SS are the scum here

cuz they r like the only 2 who aren't in a state of constant pain from this shit game

I'm SORRY I'm good at HIDING my PAIN behind a SMILE

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deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

Then who is scum, then?

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

*sinks*
I don't even think I need to reread anymore
I'm down to kill Pooky today

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i think you're pretty happy about the game state

I mean I literally couldn't bring myself to post in this thread while I was sick for the weekend so... not particularly?

I'm always happy-ish tho

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I literally don't feel compelled to respond to a single counterargument on 170 I struggle to believe you don't see what I'm seeing and I think you're being intentionally obtuse :/

pedit: I really don't think bugs nearly mishammering you while you were lined up to be eliminated d1 is strongly anti-partner indicative

I think SS is less likely off the wonky associatives but I don't really think dats is scum

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i think you're pretty happy about the game state

I mean I literally couldn't bring myself to post in this thread while I was sick for the weekend so... not particularly?

I'm always happy-ish tho

I mean you were pretty upbeat during D2 and going into the lynch.

today you apparently feel 0 doubt at all about the lylo and you are super upbeat when an actual townside player should be feeling pretty conflicted.

1) I was anxious about D2 but felt reasonably confident ish? I'm always upbeat

2) what part of this makes you think I feel 0 doubt....? the only thing I'm confident about is that you're straight up openwolfing lol. again I'm always upbeat.

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if they picked you as dead weight sure? bugs is erratic a sfuck

pedit: hahahahahahahaha ok buddy

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the fumes are getting stronger
is this conversation actually happening

ok what is your solve Pooky?

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SS if you're pocketing me I'll be so mad because this game is finally starting to make sense

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sounds like you are reaching and you dont actually believe this happened

ಠಿ_ಠ

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the fumes are getting stronger
is this conversation actually happening

ok what is your solve Pooky?

tw/ss

ಠ_ಠ
how am I scum
like
you can't convince me obviously but convince me you believe it and I'll convince you you're wrong x

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Raven doesn't make sense because bugspray almost lynched me D1

and bussing doesn't exist?

how often do scum bus-hammer their partner on the first day of D1 off no information?

I think either of

- bugs not giving a fuck
- bugs and/or you realising it was E-1

are equally realistic and I'm concerned about the 1d logic behind you trying to clear this

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again I find it alarming that you can't give me a two dimensional reason why you aren't partners and I don't believe in the integrity of your solve

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or we aren't fucking partners

I don't think anyone's arguing that you two being partners is the only plausible explanation for that interaction.

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if bugspray isn't your partner I need to reevaluate and the world gets a few shades darker.

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I wonder if the "btw remember Raven is now 70% of that slot" bridge is worth crossing

pedit: luv u too pooks

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with all due respect, duck

we don't get more chances to reevaluate anything :/

what a coincidence
I also don't feel incorrect in the slightest

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i dont see how any town player doesnt feel even the littlest bit of doubt

like i have tremendous doubt about my solve i dont get how you are so confident in yours

i'm projecting more confidence than i have and even then i know that my voice is cracking

like
i think there's a reality where ss has pocketed me here
there's a reality where i'm Flat Out Wrong and it's like, raven/ss or something
there's a reality where datisi has suddenly become very very self aware of his meta and how to outplay it


but i also don't feel very incentivised to consider these realities heavily, when you're really clumsily trying to drive a miselim on me and constantly shading & shooting down everything i say?