Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Past Present Future]

I don’t know what to think because you sound very different than you did in TM 2019 but I didn’t like either Raj or your stances. You have voted two of my strongest trs in this game.

[Past Present Future]

With that said, yeah Enchant and I would have been more optimal targets

Why

Because we're confirmed town super masons

Town Loyal Neapolitan check:
1. Target not Town? No Result
2. Target VT? VT result.
3. Target Town PR? Not VT result.

Obvs if you sussing me then it makes sense but lol

If they actually did in fact successfully check us, I know for a fact that this is wrong.

I have been in countless games where this has been proven to be false.

[Past Present Future]

Town Loyal Neapolitan check:
1. Target not Town? No Result
2. Target VT? VT result.
3. Target Town PR? Not VT result.

Obvs if you sussing me then it makes sense but lol

This was my thought process as well, but there is a ton of pushback that PPF is town, so I feel out of the loop.

Because we obviously are. And I don’t understand why Roden of all people wouldn’t know that and Ircher as well but especially Roden, which is why I want to understand exactly wtf they were thinking.

[Past Present Future]

So you vote furitive, who also opposed the way D1 happened,

Not true by the way, he was just coasting on the circumstances to make it look like he cared

He literally tried to stop that wagon.

[Past Present Future]

This is furtive townposting (in my humble opinion). If it is true that he played differently as third party in Datisi's Café, this also helps validate this read of mine / reassure me that it is still valid in multiball.

-Aisa

But actually no Furtive is just always town here.

If anyone cares, two dead players - one confitown, the other > rand very likely town, hard disagree with you unwnd.

[Past Present Future]

Town Loyal Neapolitan check:
1. Target not Town? No Result
2. Target VT? VT result.
3. Target Town PR? Not VT result.

Obvs if you sussing me then it makes sense but lol

This was my thought process as well, but there is a ton of pushback that PPF is town, so I feel out of the loop.

Something something meta can't possibly wrong.

You do you and you'll probably feel saner.

Do I need to requote my post from Doubles’ where I correctly tr Mastina based off of - you guessed it - meta?

[Past Present Future]

When events such as mislims are not practiced with a learning opportunity

It means scum can do whatever the fuck they want

That is where accountability matters

Except that if it were mastina who was mislimmed, it magically wouldn't matter.

And given the post flip reveals, it’s hard to believe the wagon on her was all town.

[Past Present Future]

As the sun begins to set, a ray of sunlight catches onto Mathblade and surrounds him. Likewise, as the moon rises the moonlight surrounds Dingle Dangle Scarecrow. They are surrounded by radiant and ethereal light.

Mathblade is blessed by the solar god Helius. He cannot be aligned with the Lunar Cult. If he was eliminated during this phase, the Solar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Solar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

---

Thus begins Night 1! Send me anything you might do!

The deadline for the night is 1 day.

This timer will likewise freeze at 24 hours remaining until I receive a replacement for Maid Cafe.

In addition to my toneread on Mastina, I think this also makes her slot very likely town. I think scum were either on her wagon or twiddling their thumbs letting it happen.

[Past Present Future]

Town Loyal Neapolitan check:
1. Target not Town? No Result
2. Target VT? VT result.
3. Target Town PR? Not VT result.

Obvs if you sussing me then it makes sense but lol

This was my thought process as well, but there is a ton of pushback that PPF is town, so I feel out of the loop.

Something something meta can't possibly wrong.

You do you and you'll probably feel saner.

Do I need to requote my post from Doubles’ where I correctly tr Mastina based off of - you guessed it - meta?

No meta is trash.

And I'll just grab your Taly quotes so...

Taly isn’t Mastina. I have extremely little experience with scum!Taly but lots with both town and scum!Mastina.

[Past Present Future]

Subject: Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I'm also interested in this. I'm clearly not taking this game super seriously... I am doing some amount of solving though but I'm curious to hear about what you mean by "serious work".

When I say "serious work", I don't mean actual game solving effort. I just liked the direction they were going and how they were interacting with me. Essentially they shaped up.

I would still like some specifics. I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion based on what they posted between A and B, and also whether you can convince me they're not scum.

Mastina isn’t an easy read but she seems to be pretty genuine here, where she seems kind of off as scum.

Oh that's a really good way of describing it yeah.

As scum I've tried a lifetime to not feel "off" to myself but to this day, never had a scumgame where I didn't feel 'off'. And when I can tell I am 'off' as scum, I can tell that others can tell, too.

Similarly so for as town. Like this game, I can recognize I'm not the normal town mastina but can still feel that I'm *a* town mastina and am not 'off' to a degree where scumreads on me should exist. They shouldn't.

This is also a mastina scumpost. I believe I recall some game where she went on and on about excuses why she didn't match up to her normal self but was totally town, possibly in the absence of anyone pressing her on it.

Mastina talks about her meta all the time, this is NIA for her,

she is tonally town. I have never seen her effectively fake that in any game where I’ve played with scum!her.

I was right in that game, Mastina was town.

[Past Present Future]

Way more interested in MMR's maybe guilty on you tbh

I don’t see how that’s even possible.

[Past Present Future]

Way more interested in MMR's maybe guilty on you tbh

I don’t see how that’s even possible.

But wtf does it have anything whatsoever to do with Taly?

[Past Present Future]

Town Loyal Neapolitan check:
1. Target not Town? No Result
2. Target VT? VT result.
3. Target Town PR? Not VT result.

Obvs if you sussing me then it makes sense but lol

This was my thought process as well, but there is a ton of pushback that PPF is town, so I feel out of the loop.

Something something meta can't possibly wrong.

You do you and you'll probably feel saner.

Do I need to requote my post from Doubles’ where I correctly tr Mastina based off of - you guessed it - meta?

No meta is trash.

And I'll just grab your Taly quotes so...

I wrongly tr Taly in LOST and correctly tr Mastina in Doubles. I know we’re town here regardless of whatever MMR is so . . . \0/

[Past Present Future]

Game is in shitsville until MMR comes back. I wish MMR was real because there are some checks they really really need to make.

Some of mastina's posts today have been really awful, like proposing there's a second divine light event.

Can you quote that specific line because I have ADHD and filter out much of her posts?

[Past Present Future]

Game is in shitsville until MMR comes back. I wish MMR was real because there are some checks they really really need to make.

Some of mastina's posts today have been really awful, like proposing there's a second divine light event.

Can you quote that specific line because I have ADHD and filter out much of her posts?

it's not a line, it's an entire post. 3248. really bad post by mastina, reads like out of control leader pulling agenda affirming content straight from their ass. Not sure what adhd has to do with it, but if you're asking for a tldr of 3248, here are the most relevant lines:

But my theory is the mechanic is still present. As in, every day, until some sort of condition is met, two players are revealed with one revealed as not-sun and the other not-moon.
Those conditions could be anything from
-A scum player is eliminated,
-Enough phases of the game have passed (with it having been a set number, say, 2-4 reveals total),
-A player that was bathed in sun/moonlight is eliminated,
Who knows exactly.

But I don't think that it was just a D1 thing, just MathBlade and Dingle Dangle Scarecrow and nobody else for the rest of the game.

and based on this totally out there theory

But if my theory is right, you know what that gives scum incentive to do?

Potentially--eliminate a target.

If Past Present Future are bathed in light right now, that gives a motive for MMR to eliminate them, especially given the SOFT nature of the guilty. They're not claiming cop with a guilty where after a townflip from PPF we always kill MMR. They're claiming a soft guilty, one which is easy to talk their way out of when PPF flip town.

The reward from an elimination on a bathed target would be worth the risk of potentially (but not guaranteed) being eliminated after, would it not?

That gives incentive, that gives motive.

like wtf

I don’t really understand this setup but I don’t see why any of that makes Mastina scum? Having possibly “out there” theories is totally nia for Mastina, if it is.

[Past Present Future]

MMR’s claimed target doesn’t make sense either.

Can you explain why PPF?

Mumps and Measles wanted to investigate PPF after it was confirmed that your role was related to the scum.
Don't ask me about why they decided to do that.
-Rubella

why did they decided to do that

I don’t understand this either. That’s why we need to get an explanation from them.

[Past Present Future]

I am interested in that too because I didn’t say how my role relates to alignments.

I was hoping to pressure MMR when they came online next.

Nothing was confirmed by anyone in thread.

Yeah, that’s an interesting point, I guess it’s possible they could be scum here.

That slot claimed to hard tr us before that, so it’s super weird.

[Past Present Future]

UNVOTE:

for now.

[Past Present Future]

I am interested in that too because I didn’t say how my role relates to alignments.

I was hoping to pressure MMR when they came online next.

Nothing was confirmed by anyone in thread.

Yeah, that’s an interesting point, I guess it’s possible they could be scum here.

That slot claimed to hard tr us before that, so it’s super weird.

There’s weird on your slot and MMR.

I figure instead of screaming one of y’all has to be scum, both y’all can be sorted with civil conversation.

How is that weird on us?

[Past Present Future]

I know I promised reads but IRL sadness has me tonight. Can't focus on reads atm. I think I'll be fine tomorrow.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Also what makes you think my role is “confirmed” to have something to do with alignments?

Meg's announcement that you would've vanillaised the Solar Cult if you had been eliminated in the place of Bunny.
PPF's D1 push means that it's unlikely that they're Solar.
I know this doesn't make them conftown or confscum.
-Rubella

What D1 push? We voted Scarf and defended Mastina?

[Past Present Future]

damn i sumbited before end

anyway vote PPF, MMT likely town

VOTE: Enchant

Sure thing fam, happy to oblige.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Past Present Future

bad vote if you’re town

[Past Present Future]

Can't post due insomnia.

Beforehand PPF should be voted as it's highly likely guilty, and i don't really care about roleblocker part, either way we prob lose nothing even if MMR is scum (we just get them next),

[Past Present Future]

Gonna have a rough day at work today probably. If we don’t see something resembling game state reads from the slots I am okay writing both off as scum when I get time hopefully late tonight/tomorrow.

That’s not fair, Titus is going through a rl crises rn, you should know this as her brother. And you already know I don’t do readslists.

[Past Present Future]

Gonna have a rough day at work today probably. If we don’t see something resembling game state reads from the slots I am okay writing both off as scum when I get time hopefully late tonight/tomorrow.

That’s not fair, Titus is going through a rl crises rn, you should know this as her brother. And you already know I don’t do readslists.

On command because everytime I do one as town, it gets shit on.

[Past Present Future]

The fact that everyone scumreads unwnd right now is freaking me out a little bit.

Wasn’t that the case for Mastina yesterday and Yume pointed out the lack of resistance to her wagon but people weren’t freaked out over that.

[Past Present Future]

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve by posting that

I think it’s obvious? Why weren’t more people freaked out by that?

But the difference is that Mastina is super obvious town. I have no idea what unwnd is.

[Past Present Future]

It's not a crisis but just a bout of depression. It'll pass quick I hope.

It's not a crisis but just a bout of depression. It'll pass quick I hope.

That’s why it’s an attainable goal that as long as you are making progress towards it in whatever way you see fit.

Same for the other hydra.

I want to see your slots aren’t in “whelp we are gonna die” mode.

Fair. I am in that mode though. The only thing I think that would save us is a mastina clear. I just want to put reads together.

For starters, I think Professor is scum, furtive is scum of the side that knows DDS is not one scum and RR knows we're town.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

I'm annoyed by the fact that the two of you feel the need to call each other super obvious town on every single page of the game. Mastina did plenty of things to deserve suspicion.

Assuming mastina is town, I think both scumteams were okay with voting mastina, and it looks to me like both scumteams are okay with pushing unwnd judging by how much negativity was piled on him, especially in yesterday (irl time)'s interactions.

If you can link/quote the specific posts, I’ll take a look at them. Wrt Mastina, I have already made multiple posts about that so I won’t reiterate them.

[Past Present Future]

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve by posting that

I think it’s obvious? Why weren’t more people freaked out by that?

But the difference is that Mastina is super obvious town. I have no idea what unwnd is.

Since you seem to prefer interacting with people directly than making a reads post, what does what you said in these posts say about ~ the game state ~?

Is it that lots of scum voted mastina? Put their names in curly braces.

I’m just referring to the fact that scum - whether onwagon or staying silent - were fine with that wagon.

[Past Present Future]

I am not pushing the game in the wrong direction by defending my strong tr and I wasn’t the only one. I haven’t even pushed unwnd today and without scumflipd, why are you continuing to pursue this narrative?

VOTE: Scarf

Your reasoning for pushing us is far worse than Enchant’s.

[Past Present Future]

Scum in multiball is focused on survival. No, you will not be able to survive by putting a wagon on me.

I wanted to lim you yesterday not Bunny and if I can take out one scum before I die, at least my death won’t be in vain.

[Past Present Future]

Mu vote on Enchant was just out of frustration but this vote is real.

[Past Present Future]

So confession time... I've read very little of Day 1 and do not intend to read it.

As to why PPF, it's because it is the sensible choice. Like if I was being selfish and thinking only in terms of my own reads, I would check MathBlade because he has a very high chance of being scum, but checking MathBlade is not the practical choice. He is not practical because if he is scum, we don't gain any new insight. Past Present Future on the other hand is 1) unlikely to get killed if town 2) hard to scum read as either alignment 3) a constant presence in the thread. Understanding their alignment allows us to understand the overall game state.

~Mumps

Why do you sound similar here to Trees? What do you think @furtive

[Past Present Future]

Furtiveglance/Mastina/PPF

DDS/

Ydrasse

/T-Bone

are my scumreads

Can you not use the [ spoiler ] tags and instead use the [ spoiler = ] tags instead? It doesn’t show up on my iPad.

[Past Present Future]

Does anyone

object

to elimming one and day vigging the other?

Independent of who we elim?

I do obviously but I obviously prefer the vigging category since I can be probably proven to be town but not today.

But idk why you’d even ask this question before either MMR or Titus has a chance to comply with your reads’ requests?

Do they no longer matter to you or what and why are other scummy slots completely off the table?

You were saying you wanted to resolve both us and MMR. Has that now changed? Because why ask for readslists in that case?

[Past Present Future]

In what world do we ever elim Mastina or Scarf in a 1v1?

People need to make pitches related to these two slots.

Mastina wagon is obviously terrible. Scarf not so much and this isn’t a freaking gladiate, so you should be looking at other slots.

You should go talk to Titus because I can assure she is really upset but the reasons for it are none of the thread’s business.

[Past Present Future]

In what world do we ever elim Mastina or Scarf in a 1v1?

People need to make pitches related to these two slots.

Mastina wagon is obviously terrible. Scarf not so much and this isn’t a freaking gladiate, so you should be looking at other slots.

You should go talk to Titus because I can assure she is really upset but the reasons for it are none of the thread’s business.

I will talk with her and do about non RL things. I can use phone for mafia at work and discord is way harder.

And you bet your butt it’s a gladiate in spirit. Elimming outside of those two is very antitown imho.

It’s antitown not to look at anything else. I hard disagree about the furtive srs and I’m open to voting MMR if furtive thinks either Ircher is acting like in Trees or Roden in Turing, he was town in both of those games and Ircher and Roden were both scum in them.

[Past Present Future]

Because we obviously are. And I don’t understand why Roden of all people wouldn’t know that and Ircher as well but especially Roden, which is why I want to understand exactly wtf they were thinking.

On that note, Roden is definitely scum for something that I can reveal after more MMR posts where they commit to their attempt to mislim PPF.

What’s concerning me about them is I still don’t understand their reasoning for claiming to target/reaction test me in the first place. If according to them I can only be Lunar or town, why is that even a reason to do either one? And in addition to that why did they rule out Solar? Why not just give some actual reasoning for even being suss on me in the first place? It’s just weirdly specific.

[Past Present Future]

So...uh...I am suddenly scared mastina is deceiving me...

Let me rephrase.

What made you post this?

What is scaring you?

Your post after that can’t be what scared you.

Well, it might be just paranoia, but something is nagging at me in my brain. That and my check failed, which could mean she's scum. Thing is, I am very easy to manipulate, as you saw in SU2. That's why I try my hardest not to let it happen again.

Your check being that she wasn’t targeted by anyone?

Btw @Mastina, I don’t understand why you’re saying my scumgame is terrible. Did you forget about Stumps and FFIV?

[Past Present Future]

That said, if mastina is scum, then one of her 'townreads' should have been killed. The fact that none of us were is a point in her favor.

Oh good to know. I didn’t know that about her scum meta.

However, since this is multiball, it really doesn’t mean much but she’s tonally town and the reveals point to scum being okay with her wagon yesterday.

[Past Present Future]

That said, if mastina is scum, then one of her 'townreads' should have been killed. The fact that none of us were is a point in her favor.

That only applies in singleball.

The bigger question is why prof died?

That flip actually clears me because you should know from Heroes’ that scum!me never kills Prof here.

[Past Present Future]

Or maybe Undertale 2 is the better reference where we were an SK hydra.

[Past Present Future]

That said, if mastina is scum, then one of her 'townreads' should have been killed. The fact that none of us were is a point in her favor.

That only applies in singleball.

The bigger question is why prof died?

That flip actually clears me because you should know from Heroes’ that scum!me never kills Prof here.

And I only think one scum team can kill a night.

So I’m half cleared for now, the other half will come later if I live long enough.

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

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]I voted Bunnyonce for lack of better ideas

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. I knew that there were people who had said Bunnyonce was south of null--so I knew that, given the looming deadline, it was a good chance for a wagon that might go through which I would be okay with.

We had a big shake-up within the last 36 hours of D1. (I didn't know my claim was that big of a deal. I didn't know how big my role was.)
I was swamped with things, and I didn't have any time to properly process the events and form a coherent push on anyone. So I voted Bunnyonce as a "good enough for now" vote.

Lol bullshit

This is a chronological order of mastina posts where she refers Bunnyonce over the span of D1

I think Bunnyonce is scum

SCUM TEAM TWO: {

Bunnyonce

, Radical Rat, ?Radja?}.

The other scumteam is {

Bunnyonce

, Radical Rat, ???}. (Currently best guess is Radja.)

{

Bunnyonce

, Radical Rat, Radja} have all given clear signs they're not scum with any of FA/professotic/MathBlade, but they all fit as scum with each other.

{Radja}

{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Frozen Angel, professotic}

REASONABLE CHANCE OF SCUM:

{Bunnyonce}

{Radja}

Would also vote

{Bunnyonce

, Radja}.

REASONABLE CHANCE OF SCUM:

{Bunnyonce}

{Radja}

This wishy-washy bullshit is just laughable lmao this is town?

{

Bunnyonce

, Radja} have reasonable chances to be scum, but are not guaranteed scum. More scum than {Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship}, less scum than the scum tier.

REASONABLE CHANCE OF SCUM:

{Bunnyonce}

If I had to guess,
{Radical Rat, Enchant, unwnd} (so yes all 3 on me) as one scumteam;
{Frozen Angel,

Bunnyonce,

Scarfmanship} as the other.

God this post is dreadful. It commits to nothing and has backdoors

Frozen Angel + 2/3 of

{Bunnyonce,

Scarfmanship, remainder-from-the-above} for the other. Thinking about it more, I somewhat doubt that Bunnyonce and Scarfmanship are scum together so I think my revised second scumteam is Frozen Angel + Maid Cafe + 1/2 of {Bunnyonce, Scarfmanship}.)

By the way,

Bunnyonce is scum

, too.

would vote any of

{Bunnyonce,

Scarfmanship, unwnd, Radical Rat} right now happily.

The kicker:

VOTE: Bunnyonce

Yeah this is scum.

Didn’t Prof also sr that slot?

[Past Present Future]

@Math can you stop trying to control the game? By shutting people down, we are deprived of valuable information.

It won’t help me in dead thread not to have all of the useful info necessary to give my final thoughts on the game whenever I am either miselimed or misvigged.

[Past Present Future]

Voting Mastina because they seem more defensive than last game, and their role sounds too useless to be real. And I want us to get past Mastina/unwnd clogging the game up

VOTE: Mastina

VOTE: mastina

Yes, I joined the coalition.

What changed for both of you?

[Past Present Future]

Voting Mastina because they seem more defensive than last game, and their role sounds too useless to be real. And I want us to get past Mastina/unwnd clogging the game up

VOTE: Mastina

VOTE: mastina

Yes, I joined the coalition.

What changed for both of you?

For me it's just something telling me she could be buddying me.

I still think she’s tonally town but I don’t understand why she thought I referenced Auro who afaik still hasn’t read anything and said my scumgame is bad which it clearly isn’t. It was back at the time I was in Undertale but was decent in both Stumps and FFIV.

I just think a lot of her posting feels very sincere and if there’s a world I could be wrong on her - doubt it - I’ll take my chances and die if I’m wrong on this.

[Past Present Future]

some crap

No I don't want you to put scum names in curly braces, I wanted PPF specifically to do it, because they refuse to give us any meaningful content because they know they are going to die soon and do not want to slip their partners or any interesting information.

For me it's just something telling me she could be buddying me.

Mastina decided not to buddy me last night because it would be too easy to vote me off instead.

They really just went and shot professorotic cause they were afraid of losing thread control

Probably the best take i have seen in the entire game so far.


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Resolve the guilty check today by voting out PPF. The mechnaically correct thing to do next is let mastina claim a check or lackthereof, dayvig/kill MMR and mastina tomorrow based on info. Kill the biggest mastina supporter today (PPF) to ensure that we can get mastina tomorrow if need be.

If no one listens to this I am willing to compromise and vote out but I think it is the most correct course of action.

Can we kill this please? *bats eyelashes and begs nicely*

[Past Present Future]

Scarf still voting me when I am already half clear and will be fully clear later is hella suss. If I somehow get miselimed today, remember that.

[Past Present Future]

Scarf still voting me when I am already half clear and will be fully clear later is hella suss. If I somehow get miselimed today, remember that.

When hypothetically would you be “clear” by? {read I doubt this}

Possibly next day phase, I’m hoping.

[Past Present Future]

Scarf still voting me when I am already half clear and will be fully clear later is hella suss. If I somehow get miselimed today, remember that.

posts like this is what makes me want to not to read any of ur iso

Well it’s true, I wouldn’t kill Prof here, so that’s half clear.

[Past Present Future]

Daily reminder that PPF's spam posting on the topic of me is a diversion from the fact that they have NO reads and will NOT make reads because that would give town information about who their partners are.

Also PPF is town, source: Dude trust me, just let me use my solar rolecop ability real quick tonight and then make up some fakeclaim tomorrow.

Are you trying to rolefish me now or what?

[Past Present Future]

Are you trying to rolefish me now or what?

I'm readsfishing you. Fishing for you to post reads. On other players. You know you're going to die soon. Don't you want your reads to be known? Your reads. Town likes it when people hear their reads. On players in the game.

Titus will make a readslist when she feels up to it. I’m in a hydra or have you forgotten that?

[Past Present Future]

Titus will make up a readlist when she feels up to it*

I don’t like you misrepping my posting.

Are you trying to rolefish me now or what?

I'm readsfishing you. Fishing for you to post reads. On other players. You know you're going to die soon. Don't you want your reads to be known? Your reads. Town likes it when people hear their reads. On players in the game.

Titus will make a readslist when she feels up to it. I’m in a hydra or have you forgotten that?

Starting to think unwnd is scum here.

[Past Present Future]

I am only scum when I push back on the narrative

Don't let this day be forgotten...

Why did you misrep me?

[Past Present Future]

I am only scum when I push back on the narrative

Don't let this day be forgotten...

Why did you misrep me?

I threw a banana peel down like mario kart and you slipped on it

Answer the question. I will not allow you to deflect.

VOTE: unwnd

[Past Present Future]

It's almost like they're scum trying to revive the mastina wagon to both prevent me from using my role and prevent the MMR wagon from going through!

Let's make the PPF wagon go through so mastina can use her role

Scum is trying to ram through our miselim eventhough I can be proven town.

[Past Present Future]

Scarf + unwnd are my top two picks for scum.

[Past Present Future]

Scarf + unwnd are my top two picks for scum.

I will very happily murder either.

[Past Present Future]

i am undecided if PPF is mafia. I don't like whatever posting and the few positions seen but none of that makes scum.

and this guilty thing interests me zero percent

What should interest you is PPF's reaction to being guiltied, and how they have behaved for the rest of the day. With a threat of dayvig looming and pressure to vote in the cc, PPF knows time is running out (avatar related pun intended). Let's compare how hydras bunny and PPF have reacted to imminent death.

Aisa dumps a scuffed reads list with plenty of missing parts and ???s, (2795), dumps greeting's POE (2977). Eager to get thoughts out there even if they are incomplete and half baked.

Nancy doesn't want to a reads list on other players because it will get shit on [3362], but they also don't want to say who is scum on mastina's wagon and would rather speak in vague terms [3376], and instead makes an easy omgus vote on unwnd [3698]. Ironically enough PPF tells math to look at other slots while refusing to do so themselves [3408], tells math to stop controlling the game [3468]

So much of PPF's iso this day is the same things repeated again and again,all of which are entirely self centered and do not read other players.

- mastina is town
- i would never kill prof
- people who oppose me are scum
- mathblade, please stop reminding people that there is a guilty on me

- i have a confirmable role as early as tomorrow*

*terms and conditions may apply

Compare this to how Titus apparently is going to make a reads list in the future, but nancy won't even post an inkling of information, because, uhhh, when nancy makes readslists nancy gets shit on? Why is getting shit on a concern to you when you are at death's door + you are already getting shit on? Why won't nancy even take the first step to making reads on other players when I asked who was scum on wagon? Why is nancy concerned about getting shit on if they have a role that is confirmable as early as tomorrow**?

** professional driver on closed course, do not attempt

Bunny knew they were dying soon and did their best to give all their information away, even though they had next to nothing. PPF is one of the top posters in the game and refuses to give anything away. I think the answer is that they know they are dying soon and don't want to give any information away. They will instead quote this post and make a snarky remark.

You’re a trip, you have absolutely no freaking clue what you’re even talking about. Novel idea - which you will ignore because you probably aren’t town here but there’s plenty of people who know me a lot better than you and if you were actually town here, you’d actually consider listening to them.

I’m especially getting fed up with your 10 thousand and one posts telling me what I’m NOT thinking. I realize that you want to miselim me really really badly. None of it makes any of this garbage you keep spewing true.

[Past Present Future]

We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.

Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed

I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.

So... Yep.

This is a terrible take and if you’re town here look elsewhere, because Mastina isn’t scum here. I will still die on that hill.

[Past Present Future]

We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.

Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed

I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.

So... Yep.

This is a terrible take and if you’re town here look elsewhere, because Mastina isn’t scum here. I will still die on that hill.

You are last person in this game i will listen on mech matters, regardless of your alignment and i think you are scum.

Denied.

Bite me!

No one - least of all YOU and I mean this very respectfully -is going to ever shut me up in this or other game I’m in, so you can get reckt.

[Past Present Future]

I’m rolefishing now but that sounds like not a good response to loyal neowhwyeber

Yeah neither is MMR not voting for PPF

It’s why I wanna elim one and vig the other.

What happens if one of us flips Town?
I think that you should save your vig shot on mastina if you eliminate us today.
Because, once we flip, it should be obvious that mastina's role has a high chance of being scum's equivalent of our role.
-Rubella

Idk if Mastina’s capable of faking tone like this. She has also lock tr me once as scum but she posted like a robot in that game. Couldn’t there be another role that could possibly explain this?

[Past Present Future]

What motivation does scum Loyal claim a failed action?

Yeah good point but I’ve never been wrong on tone reading Mastina before. I really hate it when mech and my gut reads don’t mesh.

UNVOTE:

[Past Present Future]

Why is everyone continuing to ignore the obvious elephant in the room. MMR is saying they and Mastina can’t have a similar role if I’m understanding this correctly?

Unless there’s an unknown scum role that is similar to their claim and I would like more discussion about that because I don’t know what to make of it if no other role should exist.

Anyway, I don’t like unwnd who understands mech is not commenting on that at all.

[Past Present Future]

Furtiveglance/Mastina/PPF

DDS/

Spoiler:

Ydrasse

/T-Bone

are my scumreads

Are you planning to explain any of these reads? You’ve only commented so far on us and Mastina, what is your reasoning for the rest?

[Past Present Future]

Wrt Ydrasse, she could be scum but I tr STD, so \_0_/.

[Past Present Future]

I'll try and stir up motivation tmo morning.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

MMR and Scarf likely partners.

I don't give much of a damn though. Faking results on me and just making me into a scum god is the go to discredit.
~Titus

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Math

Self-explanatory. Playing with you is a nightmare.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Math

Self-explanatory. Playing with you is a nightmare.

This is a protest vote, just to be clear.

[Past Present Future]

I tried giving you way more than the 24 hours to be cooperative and to work with people and you’re just not.

So I think we go PPF today. I expect Mastina to be unhappy with this but considering she’s one of the few if not only person to defend PPF then I am okay with elim.

I told you to talk to your sister, why haven’t you?

[Past Present Future]

So you townread me, I have been begging for the bare minimum town!you is capable of, holding off on voting you, trying to cheerlead you and I am unreasonable?

Can you like not?

I have been trying really hard to be cooperative here.

Yes, that’s why it’s a protest vote. I’d probably switch to unwnd or Scarf but I can’t express how extremely frustrated it is playing with you without getting spanked, so I voted you instead.

[Past Present Future]

So you townread me, I have been begging for the bare minimum town!you is capable of, holding off on voting you, trying to cheerlead you and I am unreasonable?

Can you like not?

I have been trying really hard to be cooperative here.

How is it my fault that Titus is going through some rl issues. I have been practically begging her everyday to post more but she’s too upset with rl stuff. That’s why I wanted you to talk to her because maybe you can help her to snap out of it.

[Past Present Future]

I tried giving you way more than the 24 hours to be cooperative and to work with people and you’re just not.

So I think we go PPF today. I expect Mastina to be unhappy with this but considering she’s one of the few if not only person to defend PPF then I am okay with elim.

I told you to talk to your sister, why haven’t you?

I don’t talk with her about mafia outside the thread.

That breaks site rules.

I did talk with her about not mafia things as we are family and anything there is NAI.

This makes me uncomfortable and is close to if not crossing a line please stop.

Okay sorry if I overstepped. I obviously don’t mean anything against the rules. I’m glad you spoke to her then, so then just please disregard all that.

[Past Present Future]

Math, I don't think you'll actually listen to what I say. Been bit too many times.

I haven't read 90% of the posts here lately as it's mech drowned out again.

It's just little fun to play in a game where I have no sutonomy.

VOTE: MMR

While I'd love to love out Math, there isn't evidence to policy lim him.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Math, I don't think you'll actually listen to what I say. Been bit too many times.

I haven't read 90% of the posts here lately as it's mech drowned out again.

It's just little fun to play in a game where I have no sutonomy.

VOTE: MMR

While I'd love to love out Math, there isn't evidence to policy lim him.

~Titus

You realize I was quite for like 3 days deliberately not taking a side until Nancy head said y’all won’t cooperate right?

Right. You said that but it's what you always say before Titus is evil scum policy etc.

You have effective veto power which nullifies pressure.

No one enjoys this game state.

This is how you lead everytime.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Scarf

Since d1, they’ve been sussing me for bs reasons. First, it’s because I defended my strong tr and threatened me not voting him Then he susses me because he’s the cw and thinks I’m defending Dangle or something p. Now I’m suddenly inexplicably Solar. I just think his reads on us are fake.

[Past Present Future]

Math, I don't think you'll actually listen to what I say. Been bit too many times.

I haven't read 90% of the posts here lately as it's mech drowned out again.

It's just little fun to play in a game where I have no sutonomy.

VOTE: MMR

While I'd love to love out Math, there isn't evidence to policy lim him.

~Titus

You realize I was quite for like 3 days deliberately not taking a side until Nancy head said y’all won’t cooperate right?

Not making readslists on command is consistent for me and if you really want I can find plenty of examples of my getting shit on for those readslists. There’s no point in my making a readslist before I’m ready when they have consistently gotten trashed, except for the one time I was scum and got insta townread for it.

[Past Present Future]

Like, zero. Nada. I don't know why you keep trying to shift the game elsewhere.

Nancy wants to actually play. I don't blame her. That's sailed though.

VOTE: MMR

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Scarf

Since d1, they’ve been sussing me for bs reasons. First, it’s because I defended my strong tr and threatened me not voting him Then he susses me because he’s the cw and thinks I’m defending Dangle or something p. Now I’m suddenly inexplicably Solar. I just think his reads on us are fake.

We should flip Scarf of all people instead of resolving one of the two slots entangled by a claimed guilty? Why would that be more important?

Why are they not voting us then? My strongest sr’s since d1 have been Scarf and Radja and that hasn’t really changed. We compromised voting out Bunny and she flipped town. In Post Apocalypse, we almost lost the game due to my making compromise votes.

They have a claim about their role double thing and I think it’s antitown af that no one id seriously trying to make sense of it. I want to find out if both could possibly be telling the truth and that would mean in that case, that the role they’re referring to is somewhere else. Or one of them could be lying. I still strongly town toneread Mastina but I don’t know why MMR is saying what they are about their role?

@MMR, what is the specific name of your role? You claimed loyal neapolitan, correct? So where then is the informed part of it?

I would optimally like this entire thing resolved because I think it’s extremely important and don’t understand why no one else seems to really care about doing that.

[Past Present Future]

I still prefer Scarf or Radja here until this whole thing gets resolved but whatever.

[Past Present Future]

I’m glad to know that my tr on Mastina wasn’t wrong. I would still like to see if in case MMR is telling the truth if we can possibly flush out that similar role should it even exist. It would be nice to be able to do that before Sherlock Blade either rams through our miselim or misvigges us.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: ppf

I think you’re probably town here from the last few posts but you’re very wrong on us.

Toog’s pop on to us is wolfy, keep that in mind if we flip. Scarf is probably still scum. Yume and Mastina are pretty much locktown for me now.

Sorry @Math, I realize that this doesn’t come close to what you requested from us but I’m really trying my best here.

[Past Present Future]

Not sure why my vote is on PPF.

It was on MMR when I left

I think that Meg doubled counted.

I don’t have time to read anything that happened

Can anyone tldr me?

In 4102, mastina asked you to ISO Firebringer and if you SR him, vote him.
Then, unwnd upset her and things got heated.

T-Bone made a great point on how roles aren't AI in 4164.
T-Bone continues to be a beacon of light in 4165.
-Rubella

Just to be clear: does anyone think Mastina/MMR could both be their claimed roles? I don't.

I don't either. I'm inclined to believe mastina more because she gave more info, was consistent about it, and did it first, but there's no way both of their roles exist as claimed.

Ok but why would MMR, as scum, fakeclaim the same role as someone else, forcing them into a 1v1? Surely they would claim a different role?

As a few people have pointed out...they could have simply botched their fakeclaim.

You’re calling the player who said this a “beacon of light”?

Dafuq. Am I taking crazy pills here?

[Past Present Future]

@MMR why would you call the player who’s suggesting you botched your fakeclaim “a beacon of light?

And why bother mentioning the Mastina/Fire thing unless you have an actual opinion about it?

[Past Present Future]

We checked the wagons to see if moving our vote would make the day end/feel happier and we decided that actually there were two scum reads (well, I kinda tr FB but they did replace frozen angel), on each wagon, so that didn't give us much help.

We have a poe of eight: maybe fire, enchant, RR, radical rat, toog, furtive, one of MMR/PPF. We're a bit flip floppy on mastina.
We think math, scarf and t bone are lock town (possibly ydrasse).

I don’t think scum!Mastina flips out like that. If anyone can find a game that debunks that, I’d be seriously shocked.

[Past Present Future]

This game has been murdered due to replacements. Tbh, I was debating subbing out but I wouldn't put that through to the mod.

The structure of this is levels of unfun. I tell myself I'll read but it's pages of the same thing. Stagnant game. Reads are stale.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

We're looking at 7 replacements Day 1, which is utterly ridiculous and it could go to 9.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

PPF, I'm probably gonna hammer just to beat this level if you know what I mean. Any final thoughts?

I’ve already said quite a bit and no one seems to be listening. This is Timeshift 2.0 and I could have posted my role pm in that game and would have still got miselimed.

I’ve been trying my hardest explained all of the reasons why we’re town and shouldn’t be voted out today. It’s all in my our ISO so don’t ask me for final thoughts until you’ve read that first. Once you don I’ll be happy to answer anything but atp, I’m just repeating myself.

I understand how Titus feels because I wanted to follow Mastina and Yume but I didn’t think it right to let scum push me out that easily, so now I’m just waiting for people to come to their senses but I’m not holding my breath on that.

[Past Present Future]

Much as I also hate the replacements I think that it’s protown to wait for Mastina and Yume replacements.

Both said they’d be doing particular things.

They should be able to do those before we go to night.

@T-Bone don’t you think it’s important for the replacements who are both claimed tprs to weigh in? Mastina slot in particular needs guidance from us on their na.

[Past Present Future]

Intent to hammer, but obviously just waiting it out to make everyone's lives easier (including Meg's, hopefully).

PPF, I'm probably gonna hammer just to beat this level if you know what I mean. Any final thoughts?

I’ve already said quite a bit and no one seems to be listening. This is Timeshift 2.0 and I could have posted my role pm in that game and would have still got miselimed.

I’ve been trying my hardest explained all of the reasons why we’re town and shouldn’t be voted out today. It’s all in my our ISO so don’t ask me for final thoughts until you’ve read that first. Once you don I’ll be happy to answer anything but atp, I’m just repeating myself.

I understand how Titus feels because I wanted to follow Mastina and Yume but I didn’t think it right to let scum push me out that easily, so now I’m just waiting for people to come to their senses but I’m not holding my breath on that.

Eta: just wanted to clarify that I meant that I was very unhappy about both replace outs, nothing more. Please don’t spank me.

[Past Present Future]

Much as I also hate the replacements I think that it’s protown to wait for Mastina and Yume replacements.

Both said they’d be doing particular things.

They should be able to do those before we go to night.

+1

[Past Present Future]

I hope we get replacements soon, I think the longer this takes, the more town apathy. To be clear, I still think it’s optimal to wait buy if it takes too long apathy will set in, so just hoping it doesn’t take much longer.

[Past Present Future]

@Math,

Lunar cult faked a guilty on us. At a minimum, we're confirmed not Lunar cult.

The only reason Lunar cult would fake a guilty on us is if we were an extreme threat.

Therefore, VOTE: Scarfmanship.

As of when we last spoke, Nancy had Scarf as lockscum and Scarf is now damn near to me.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:

Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance

VOTE: furtiveglance

Didn't RR claim a doctor like role and no one died? Yet you still want to lim them?

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

@Math,

Lunar cult faked a guilty on us. At a minimum, we're confirmed not Lunar cult.

The only reason Lunar cult would fake a guilty on us is if we were an extreme threat.

Therefore, VOTE: Scarfmanship.

As of when we last spoke, Nancy had Scarf as lockscum and Scarf is now damn near to me.

~Titus

Correct.

I think MMR had an actual guilty on you.

You claimed PR and scum MMR got vanilla.

None of what you just said looks to be a more reasonable hypothesis.

Or MathBlade just hates Titus when she's right....

We were right on mastina
We were right on Yume
We had a fake guilty on us designed to get at our role.

Your response is to give scum what they want.

There's no way MMR gets a "guilty" on anyone as solar cult would be immune from that check.

If you insist on us claiming, we will but fuck this noise.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

If you didn't have a vig shot, I'd tell you to go to hell.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Did you look at MMR’s flip?

They get vanilla on scum

If they checked you and got vanilla it explains their play.

They didn't.

Vanilla mostly likely matches quite a few slots here. Vanilla only would say it's possible to be scum.

They however, got a role that directly fucks them over. Right reads. Powerful role.

Eliminate immediately.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

The I is purely hypothetical imagine scum shoes.

It all adds up in terms of mechanically possible but I don’t see why a scum team does that

I don't want to claim because we can get slips (non Lunar or Lunar based on knowing our role).

Purely hypothetical scum shoes, why would scum gamble on a result that might just be a vanilla?

Either a) Nancy was 10000% right on scarf, b) they felt super threatened by our role or c) both.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

The I is purely hypothetical imagine scum shoes.

It all adds up in terms of mechanically possible but I don’t see why a scum team does that

I don't want to claim because we can get slips (non Lunar or Lunar based on knowing our role).

Purely hypothetical scum shoes, why would scum gamble on a result that might just be a vanilla?

Either a) Nancy was 10000% right on scarf, b) they felt super threatened by our role or c) both.

~Titus

Because at that point in MMR’s shoes it’s not a gamble
In thread you claimed PR
But they check you get vanilla

That would be a lie so you’d be conf Solar scum to MMR

We didn't claim anything prior to MMR's result.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Also, you're supposing MMR was being honest on a botched fakeclaim.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

The I is purely hypothetical imagine scum shoes.

It all adds up in terms of mechanically possible but I don’t see why a scum team does that

I don't want to claim because we can get slips (non Lunar or Lunar based on knowing our role).

Purely hypothetical scum shoes, why would scum gamble on a result that might just be a vanilla?

Either a) Nancy was 10000% right on scarf, b) they felt super threatened by our role or c) both.

~Titus

Because at that point in MMR’s shoes it’s not a gamble
In thread you claimed PR
But they check you get vanilla

That would be a lie so you’d be conf Solar scum to MMR

We didn't claim anything prior to MMR's result.

~Titus

I thought you had. I will double check in the morning.

Nope.

Not a damn thing. The closest was Yume claiming we were something.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Also, PPF lied about selling apples.

Also, PPF lied about selling apples.

I thought you wanted to sell us apples....

~Titus

Also, PPF lied about selling apples.

I thought you wanted to sell us apples....

~Titus

Nope. You implied to have the ability to when I asked you about it early on. I sell prunes, not apples.

Also, PPF lied about selling apples.

I thought you wanted to sell us apples....

~Titus

Nope. You implied to have the ability to when I asked you about it early on. I sell prunes, not apples.

I thought prunes was just another way of saying apples.

I said if I could sell apples, I'd sell to you. I just couldn't. You are a favorite apple target when town.

~Titus

After this exchange is when MMR started his fake.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

*Their

[Past Present Future]

MMR was eliminated. Their role was

Spoiler:

Lunar Starmaster

Spoiler: Role PM

You are a

Lunar Starmaster

While you are alive, whenever your faction successfully performs a factional action on a player, you will passively learn the role of the target. If your faction targets a member of the

Solar Cult

, you will receive a result of vanilla, regardless of the target's role.
[REDACTED]
You win when your faction makes up half of the living players, and no members of the

Solar Cult

are alive.

Nero Cain replaces mastina.

Noon 1 Begins! The summer heat asks people to return to the cool comforts of their own home, lest they face heat stroke.

Deadline 1 day*
Deadline will be frozen at 1 day until a replacement for Yume is found.

T-Bone must PM me this phase or I will seek replacement.

Math wtf is wrong with your reading comprehension? They fucking targeted Prof. Duh.

I’m so beyond pissed rn, I didn’t even want to post.

[Past Present Future]

I am going to bed but one last question

You said you’d be confirmable today, are you?

Nancy feels we are and that mastina confirms us. I'm not as certain but we'll be claiming if that's not the case bc it's you and me.
.~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Scum clearly lied about their role, claimed a fake guilty on us to rolefish us and for some batshit fuvking stupid reason, we are being sussed? I think Titus is right, she. keeps saying in discord that you must hate her because why else you would you so obviously want to gamethrow? Unfuckingreal!

[Past Present Future]

I'm going to bed. Tomorrow is a new day.

Maybe you'll wise up and vote out Scarf.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

I am going to bed but one last question

You said you’d be confirmable today, are you?

Nancy feels we are and that mastina confirms us. I'm not as certain but we'll be claiming if that's not the case bc it's you and me.
.~Titus

?? My scumread has nothing to do with you?

The reads are purely mechanics and relation based?

I am trying to figure out how Nancy is so far off and where she gets MMR targeted Prof from?

There’s way too much weirdness here

That’s what the flip said, Lunar killed Prof and MMR learned their role. How is that not beyond fucking obvious?

[Past Present Future]

Scum clearly lied about their role, claimed a fake guilty on us to rolefish us and for some batshit fuvking stupid reason, we are being sussed? I think Titus is right, she. keeps saying in discord that you must hate her because why else you would you so obviously want to gamethrow? Unfuckingreal!

I do not hate her.

There’s no reason scum can’t have other factional abilities.

I think the kills are split but actions don’t have to be

And if we have a circle jerk of this many role interactions then something doesn’t add up.

Then force scum to kill us. We're conf not Lunar.

Shoot fucking lock scum.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

I am going to bed but one last question

You said you’d be confirmable today, are you?

Nancy feels we are and that mastina confirms us. I'm not as certain but we'll be claiming if that's not the case bc it's you and me.
.~Titus

?? My scumread has nothing to do with you?

The reads are purely mechanics and relation based?

I am trying to figure out how Nancy is so far off and where she gets MMR targeted Prof from?

There’s way too much weirdness here

That’s what the flip said, Lunar killed Prof and MMR learned their role. How is that not beyond fucking obvious?

Reread it please

It says any factional ability.

whenever your faction successfully performs a factional action on a player, you will passively learn the role of the target.

Lunar killed Prof - factional nk, MMR passively learned they were not vanilla.

[Past Present Future]

There’s no reason scum can’t have other factional abilities.

Possible yes, but other factional abilities are not guaranteed to even exist unlike the factional kill. We don't know what's in the [redacted] part of the role PM

Told you all Yume was town because CSF is apparently the only one making sense.

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

I think this is very believable based on MMR saying that Mastina’s role was scum because I hard tr that slot and Meuh has done nothing to change my reads.

[Past Present Future]

I am going to bed but one last question

You said you’d be confirmable today, are you?

Nancy feels we are and that mastina confirms us. I'm not as certain but we'll be claiming if that's not the case bc it's you and me.
.~Titus

?? My scumread has nothing to do with you?

The reads are purely mechanics and relation based?

I am trying to figure out how Nancy is so far off and where she gets MMR targeted Prof from?

There’s way too much weirdness here

That’s what the flip said, Lunar killed Prof and MMR learned their role. How is that not beyond fucking obvious?

Reread it please

It says any factional ability.

whenever your faction successfully performs a factional action on a player, you will passively learn the role of the target.

Lunar killed Prof - factional nk, MMR passively learned they were not vanilla.

That’s N1 and one ability. So the MMR knows prof’s role sure.

They could have a factional checker that randomly sends a message to the staging server (shameless plug to help them test please) and then sends three memes to the scum team based on the username of the player selected then gives a role

We don’t know.

Assuming scum have only a factional kill is like what?

I have never seen any other ability in any game ever that was considered to be factional.

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

@CSF I’m basing it not just on them being on our wagon but them pushing me to vote out an obvtown pr d1. And MMR also clearly preferred Mastina over us as well.

[Past Present Future]

Tl;Dr I don't think that PPF should be vigged over mastina.
-Rubella

Why is everyone continuing to ignore the obvious elephant in the room. MMR is saying they and Mastina can’t have a similar role if I’m understanding this correctly?

Unless there’s an unknown scum role that is similar to their claim and I would like more discussion about that because I don’t know what to make of it if no other role should exist.

Anyway, I don’t like unwnd who understands mech is not commenting on that at all.

I'm saying that mastina has a high chance of being scum with a similar role.
-Rubella

Hey I'm on page 153 and I am currently unable to play for circa 4-6 hours. (I can be around at around midnight tonight.)

But MMR's claim is definitely not a real one here.

MMR is NOT an Astrologer.

Based off of my role, I know they're bullshitting.

How do we know that this can't also apply to you?
Either way, I definitely agree with Math that at least one of us should be vigged tomorrow.
-Rubella

And actually, I think that we should target each other if we both survive today.
-Rubella

I've been lightly skimming, and this seems to be the right play simply because MMR's claim actively conflicts with both mastina and PPF?

It doesn't.
It only conflicts with mastina.
-Rubella

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

I see.
The TR on PPF was only testing reactions.
I thought that it was obvious that I wouldn't TR a slot just from their response.
-Rubella

Hey, uh. I kinda checked out late Dusk 1, but I saw that we had a guilty result last night and figured there wasn't much to say today. Fully intended to stay checked out until I saw Rubella mention we were probably getting mis-elim'd in the hydra chat. I asked why and started skimming and uh...yeah idk why we aren't voting PPF. I thought we had a guilty, since it doesn't make sense for scum to block us instead of a claimed PR, and an unclaimed Ascetic modifier from PPF would still just be a scum claim.

VOTE: Past Present Future

-Measles

Why you didn't say you was informed

I made up the Informed part based off information inferred in our role PM.
I thought that claiming Informed would make people pay more attention to it and think about it if we got flipped.
-Rubella

Read these series of posts, it’s extremely clear they were rolefishing us which is also something Scarf was doing.

Roden only voted us because we were the CW, no other reason. If it had been up to them, cw would have been Mastina not us.

Roden lied to save face after their fake botched claim and they did it to save themselves.

[Past Present Future]

Then why didn’t MMR ever push us then? Roden only voted us to save their scum asses. If they had actually checked us and gotten a guilty, then why did they wait until they were at risk of getting limmed?

If they weren’t bssing and had a gulity on us - impossible both due to role flip and our alignment - then why did they hesitate as long as they did to vote us?

Because they were fucking lying. They never checked us but saw how Math was pushing Titus and thought they’d take a chance to see if they could get us run up or not. But when they saw it was between us or them - ONLY THEN did they vote us - despite us not having actually claimed anything, despite Titus claiming not arsetic.

They have Ircher in their hydra who should have known their botched claim was garbage, which is why RH never voted us. Only Roden did to save themselves. How is this not obvious?

[Past Present Future]

But mechanically I don’t see what scum were doing.

If MMR wanted to look better on a PPF flip, I'm kind of confused why they didn't push PPF?

Mastina/Yume/RR/PPF => assume all town why no RR dead

I think RR has a decent chance of being scum.

That’s what I’ve been saying.

[Past Present Future]

Yeah none of that play makes sense in a town PPF world.

It’s really confusing.

Hence me asking anyone else if they had a good reason.

Because I feel like I have half the puzzle here

Are we reading the same things? It means that they had no check because they flat out lied. Which means your assessment makes absolutely no sense. Because nothing MMR makes an iota of sense in an us scum world. I want to shake you with Ydra’s snowglobe or whatever she said to unwnd.

[Past Present Future]

Then why didn’t MMR ever push us then? Roden only voted us to save their scum asses. If they had actually checked us and gotten a guilty, then why did they wait until they were at risk of getting limmed?

If they weren’t bssing and had a gulity on us - impossible both due to role flip and our alignment - then why did they hesitate as long as they did to vote us?

Because they were fucking lying. They never checked us but saw how Math was pushing Titus and thought they’d take a chance to see if they could get us run up or not. But when they saw it was between us or them - ONLY THEN did they vote us - despite us not having actually claimed anything, despite Titus claiming not arsetic.

They have Ircher in their hydra who should have known their botched claim was garbage, which is why RH never voted us. Only Roden did to save themselves. How is this not obvious?

Because Roden is same level as Ircher on mech

Your theory assumes Roden newb scum which is false

He said he never would have made that claim but you still haven’t refuted mine and CSF’s point about why they nrver voted us until they were at risk of being limmed?

None of your reasoning on us scum makes an iota of sense.

[Past Present Future]

PPF should claim full role

No

I want to sort them

That’s the point.

A full claim isn’t needed yet

I want to understand

Not just shoot no matter how much it makes Titus sad or makes me think “I hate her”

That hurt

I’m really sorry Math, she did actually say that in our discord. She really didn’t explain it to me but she just kept insisting on it.

[Past Present Future]

Did a brief skim. Here's my two cents.

---Math claimed whichever of MMR and PPF wasn't eliminated yesterday would be shot today. Assumption being that they were both scum, just opposite teams.
---Mastina claims she can clear PPF during the night phase before being replaced out.
---CSF says mastina was messed with at night.

Does Lunar/Solar mess with mastina/Meuh at night in the hopes that Math just Vigs PPF? Or does Solar PPF just take their chances and mess with mastina/Meuh and hope Math doesn't kill them? Why not just attack Math and force town to eliminate them instead?

Because Math's wrong vig is guaranteed not to hit scum. With mastina/CSF not clearing us, they get a free vig, keep attention on mastina/CSF and protect Scarf.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Did a brief skim. Here's my two cents.

---Math claimed whichever of MMR and PPF wasn't eliminated yesterday would be shot today. Assumption being that they were both scum, just opposite teams.
---Mastina claims she can clear PPF during the night phase before being replaced out.
---CSF says mastina was messed with at night.

Does Lunar/Solar mess with mastina/Meuh at night in the hopes that Math just Vigs PPF? Or does Solar PPF just take their chances and mess with mastina/Meuh and hope Math doesn't kill them? Why not just attack Math and force town to eliminate them instead?

Because Math's wrong vig is guaranteed not to hit scum. With mastina/CSF not clearing us, they get a free vig, keep attention on mastina/CSF and protect Scarf.

~Titus

Can you please let me ask questions? I am literally debating shooting someone else.

I thought you wanted my thoughts on claims.

I'll shut up I guess.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Did a brief skim. Here's my two cents.

---Math claimed whichever of MMR and PPF wasn't eliminated yesterday would be shot today. Assumption being that they were both scum, just opposite teams.
---Mastina claims she can clear PPF during the night phase before being replaced out.
---CSF says mastina was messed with at night.

Does Lunar/Solar mess with mastina/Meuh at night in the hopes that Math just Vigs PPF? Or does Solar PPF just take their chances and mess with mastina/Meuh and hope Math doesn't kill them? Why not just attack Math and force town to eliminate them instead?

Because Math's wrong vig is guaranteed not to hit scum. With mastina/CSF not clearing us, they get a free vig, keep attention on mastina/CSF and protect Scarf.

~Titus

Can you please let me ask questions? I am literally debating shooting someone else.

I thought you wanted my thoughts on claims.

I'll shut up I guess.

~Titus

I do.

That wasn’t input

That’s “wahhh I am in Math’s PoE for shooting” and not input

Ugh. This is why I feel you have it in for me. I view everything in a strategic lens. That's why my feedback as it is. Tbone's townreading us. He gets attacked. Makes sense. The only thing that doesn't is Meuh as that’s too much negative utility.

Meuh scarf and furtiveglance are where I'd look.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Did a brief skim. Here's my two cents.

---Math claimed whichever of MMR and PPF wasn't eliminated yesterday would be shot today. Assumption being that they were both scum, just opposite teams.
---Mastina claims she can clear PPF during the night phase before being replaced out.
---CSF says mastina was messed with at night.

Does Lunar/Solar mess with mastina/Meuh at night in the hopes that Math just Vigs PPF? Or does Solar PPF just take their chances and mess with mastina/Meuh and hope Math doesn't kill them? Why not just attack Math and force town to eliminate them instead?

Because Math's wrong vig is guaranteed not to hit scum. With mastina/CSF not clearing us, they get a free vig, keep attention on mastina/CSF and protect Scarf.

~Titus

Can you please let me ask questions? I am literally debating shooting someone else.

I thought you wanted my thoughts on claims.

I'll shut up I guess.

~Titus

I do.

That wasn’t input

That’s “wahhh I am in Math’s PoE for shooting” and not input

Ugh. This is why I feel you have it in for me. I view everything in a strategic lens. That's why my feedback as it is. Tbone's townreading us. He gets attacked. Makes sense. The only thing that doesn't is Meuh as that’s too much negative utility.

Meuh scarf and furtiveglance are where I'd look.

~Titus

Your feedback ignores a good chunk of the claims Eg RR TBone and CSF.

It doesn’t explain why you do and don’t want to look at those people related to mechanics

I am viewing things through a strategic lens as well but when most of your post is “but Math’s kill is wrong” when I haven’t typed it makes me think you aren’t being strategic and are Ateing

I addressed that I believe RR and Tbone by the fact I said Tbone getting harmed makes sense. I addressed CSF by stating mastina getting fucked with makes sense.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

How is everyone saying me. I'm baffled

For me it’s imho possible traitor crumbs and overall play

My opening post was an obvious joke, Enchant and RR made similar posts. Overall play is obvious town, I opposed a vote on town and eventually voted out scum

You're a weaker read due to popularity.

Scarfmanship is the play. I'd eat my hat if they're town

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

How is everyone saying me. I'm baffled

For me it’s imho possible traitor crumbs and overall play

My opening post was an obvious joke, Enchant and RR made similar posts. Overall play is obvious town, I opposed a vote on town and eventually voted out scum

You're a weaker read due to popularity.

Scarfmanship is the play. I'd eat my hat if they're town

~Titus

Popularity? Wtffff????

You're a popular SR...too easy.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

How would you feel about an unwd shot Titus?

Not my favorite. I have them as a lean town.

Brb

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: PPF you're off the hook for now toogeloo, but only because mathblade is going mad king today.

VOTE: Scarf

How Titus didn’t already vote you baffles me, so many of your posts are obvious scumclaims. You threaten us to vote out Mastina, you defend obv lying scum and are now voting the slot that their role flip proved they were lying about.

I don’t honestly understand why no one else except maybe Ydrasse is seeing what we are. You were saying earlier we were a tpr, yet you vote us due to sheer omgus.

If you were town, you wouldn’t try to miselim the obvious town CW to lying botched claim scum who only voted us for survival. Get rekt.

[Past Present Future]

I really wish I was the one with the vigshot here.

[Past Present Future]

MMR was eliminated. Their role was

Spoiler:

Lunar Starmaster

Spoiler: Role PM

You are a

Lunar Starmaster

While you are alive, whenever your faction successfully performs a factional action on a player, you will passively learn the role of the target. If your faction targets a member of the

Solar Cult

, you will receive a result of vanilla, regardless of the target's role.
[REDACTED]
You win when your faction makes up half of the living players, and no members of the

Solar Cult

are alive.

Nero Cain replaces mastina.

Noon 1 Begins! The summer heat asks people to return to the cool comforts of their own home, lest they face heat stroke.

Deadline 1 day*
Deadline will be frozen at 1 day until a replacement for Yume is found.

T-Bone must PM me this phase or I will seek replacement.

For anyone who’s town and not reading comprehension challenge, read.

[Past Present Future]

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

Look at these reads. Scarf voted the CW to flipped scum and T-Bone was offwagon.

Math and DDS were both on their wagon. MMR was clearly hoping for either a DDS or Math elim today.

Tr T-Bone despite him calling out MMR’s bs.

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

Speaking of actual and not made up receipts.

[Past Present Future]

And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You seriously see this as distancing? I read it as an attempt to possibly shift to a DDS wagon because they know we’d flip town.

[Past Present Future]

@MMR why would you call the player who’s suggesting you botched your fakeclaim “a beacon of light?

And why bother mentioning the Mastina/Fire thing unless you have an actual opinion about it?

The first thing is that T-Bone is displaying a Town mindset. He is making observations and working from there.
The second thing was because Math wanted a summary and I decided that he needed to know mastina's request.
-Rubella

This is seriously probably the most cringeworthy post in the entire game.

T-Bone: MMR is probably scum due to botched fakeclaim.
MMR: T-Bone is a “beacon of light” for correctly calling us out on our bs. lololol

[Past Present Future]

And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You seriously see this as distancing? I read it as an attempt to possibly shift to a DDS wagon because they know we’d flip town.

In the world where you’re town/not lunar I see it as MMR wanting their traitor buddy to not vote them and create the stalemate.

Why would they do that in the main thread then?

[Past Present Future]

She’s been barely paying attention to the game. Why would you put stock in someone’s opinion who doesn’t even know what’s going on?

[Past Present Future]

Wait if unwnd was VT.... Meuh has explaining to do

Woah, you’re right. How did they get an “attuned with the sun” result on a vt?

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

Why are they town @CSF? They tried to save lying scum with a botched claim and are still trying to get us miselimmed, despite their flip proving they lied.

I would look at the wagons here. I don’t believe our wagon had all town, nor do I think MMR wasn’t bussed.

[Past Present Future]

Wait if unwnd was VT.... Meuh has explaining to do

No she doesn’t.

VTs have an alignment according to her claim

So some vts would be moon attuned then? I still tr this slot because of my Mastina tr but these mech are really weird. Why would vts be sun or moon attuned when they have no powers?

[Past Present Future]

Whatever. Can't carry people who can't carry themselves.

Would the lunars (who likely know PPF is solar) even want to kill PPF tonight? I don't know what scum's optimal kill strategy is in multiball. Is it a prisoner's dilemma where lunars want us to vote out PPF and we want them to kill PPF?

Again @CSF why is this town? Flip + MMR’s not voting until pretty much they were at risk of being run up debunks this and he’s still trying to drive a miselim on us in spite of it.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: PPF

Cool defend scum and kill more townies.

[Past Present Future]

If we lose this game, we can all thank Math.

[Past Present Future]

It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

Yes because flip proved they A) lied B) only voted us for survivalist reasons. How many damn times do I need to repost that flip? It says factional and passive, which means they were bssing but since you’re probably scum, I understand that you wouldn’t care a about that.

[Past Present Future]

I'll sheep Ydra who sheeps Mathblade who sheeps Scarf, sure!

That worked out so well with unwnd.

[Past Present Future]

It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

Yes because flip proved they A) lied B) only voted us for survivalist reasons. How many damn times do I need to repost that flip? It says factional and passive, which means they were bssing but since you’re probably scum, I understand that you wouldn’t care a about that.

As pointed out several times they claimed before survivalism kicked in

Are you being intentionally dense? They only VOTED us when they were in danger. *smdh*.

[Past Present Future]

I would seriously think that you would reconsider your reads after you just vigged town but no because your Math, so of course not.

[Past Present Future]

To be clear, this question was addressed to everyone except PPF, since everyone else is (at least pretending) to argue in good faith, since there aren't any other outed mafia.

I’m not letting you continue to get away with trying to drive a miselim on town when scumflip proved MMR lied.

I would tell you off but I’m not getting a ban because I know you’re following us, when we’re proven to be telling the truth.

[Past Present Future]

And don’t think I’m ever letting you, especially obvscum tell me what I can and cannot post.

[Past Present Future]

And don’t think I’m ever letting you, especially obvscum tell me what I can and cannot post.

That was obviously directed to Scarf.

[Past Present Future]

Oh wow I was right. Scum Vig anyone? Could explain early claim, no death and bad kill?

R u high or what

As much as I would love Math scum, he'd mod confirmed not Lunar so he'd have to be solar. A solar vig would be pretty stacked imo unless they had no nk and this is largely nightless (moonlogic).

[Past Present Future]

Oh wow I was right. Scum Vig anyone? Could explain early claim, no death and bad kill?

R u high or what

As much as I would love Math scum, he'd mod confirmed not Lunar so he'd have to be solar. A solar vig would be pretty stacked imo unless they had no nk and this is largely nightless (moonlogic).

Please I am very suspicious or idiot.

Math is not conf town.

I definitely had you as idiot but wasn't going to say it.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Why the hell you shot unwnd

Because Math never listens to me...

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Btw you hard defended Luke scum in the last normal btw.

If you had listened, we win.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Game didn't end, wtf

Cape just hammered. It ended.

[Past Present Future]

[Past Present Future]

… you tried to avoid elimming BGC.

Yes you were right but you were antitown.

You didn’t try to work with me when I asked why so nothing to go off of

You’re not working with CSF when they ask you who else

You’re not working with the group.

I was wrong and thought I had agreement but I am explaining myself where I can and (redacted) where I can’t,

You were also half wrong on cape who I had a soft inno on

Unless you’re willing to meet people half way there isn’t much that can change

You’re being incredibly toxic when I am trying here

Like Enchant doesn’t provide who else either

So on the one hand there is a well reasoned out argument that makes sense
And on the other
You keep saying reread a post and ignoring the context myself and Meuh and others have explained

So like I go with sheeping Scarf every time,

This is bloody nonsense.
You have held up this game for days with your vig claim making it nigh on impossible to discuss anyone else's reads. You refused to discuss my Luke read in the normal.
You refused to do VCA, as town, because your mechanical reads had to prevail in the normal.

We've fought to get Scarf wagoned (although mostly Nancy yesterday as I had no care to fight through a fake guilty).

You will literally throw out your own procedures to get your way and ignore me, and yet I'm toxic for wanting a discussion?

Fucking bullshit. At least this time I don't have a night action so you can't order me around under the basis of "working together".

Scarf is 10000% scum here.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

You can seriously stop rolefishing. We’ll claim when and if when we feel like it and not a moment sooner.

[Past Present Future]

It remains that in the world where MMR flips lunar, PPF is still solar. If you disagree with this, you have to clearly explain a world in which it makes sense for lunar scum to sacrifice their rolecop, IN MULTIBALL, to kill a single town power role. Because if the vote went through yesterday on PPF, and PPF flipped IC bulletproof cop, MMR gets their head removed by mathblade and/or the solar kill and/or the dusk 2 vote.

You can seriously stop rolefishing. We’ll claim when and if when we feel like it and not a moment sooner.

He knows full well that isn't true anyway from when he copped us but it sure is convienent to sell.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

The bulletproof IC is an exaggeration. If we were IC, we would have said awhile ago.

I am leaving the decision in Nancy's hands to claim or not in the next 24 hours.

I have given weak surface level reads previously but my ears are in too much pain to grab them. Getting prescriptions in a bit.

Just in case

Titus VLA 24 hours

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: PPF

Confirm yourself then. Bet you won't

I already said we will claim if and when it makes sense to do so and not a moment sooner.

[Past Present Future]

@MMR why would you call the player who’s suggesting you botched your fakeclaim “a beacon of light?

And why bother mentioning the Mastina/Fire thing unless you have an actual opinion about it?

The first thing is that T-Bone is displaying a Town mindset. He is making observations and working from there.
The second thing was because Math wanted a summary and I decided that he needed to know mastina's request.
-Rubella

This is seriously probably the most cringeworthy post in the entire game.

T-Bone: MMR is probably scum due to botched fakeclaim.
MMR: T-Bone is a “beacon of light” for correctly calling us out on our bs. lololol

???

I think that’s pretty self-explanatory?

[Past Present Future]

If scum has so many recruits, how do we ever win?

Also Math, you hint a lot at how your flip will reveal a lot. What happens if lunars janitor you...?

If scum has so many recruits, how do we ever win?

Also Math, you hint a lot at how your flip will reveal a lot. What happens if lunars janitor you...?

Solar likely recruits every other day. Unwd’s play matched what I would expect a player to do with that pattern.

It’s not a lot but I am the balancing for it.

Like I can’t explain as it’s way too pro scum.

I doubt every lunar kill is a janitor so it’s a risk I gotta take.

If lunar kills and janitors me and you know I am town you’ll know I had mechanical reasons to think what I did.

If lunar just kills me then you KNOW why I think that.

Wait, what? I thought MMR was janitor?

[Past Present Future]

Dusk 1 Final Vote Count

Bunnyonce (9) Enchant, Mastina, Mathblade, scarfmanship, professotic, T-Bone, Past Present Future, Yume, Radical Rat <--------[Hammer!]

Mastina (2) Maid Cafe, unwnd

professotic (1) MMR,

Ydrasse (1) furtiveglance

Not Voting (4) Frozen Angel, Bunnyonce, Ydrasse, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow,

With 17 Alive it took 9 to Eliminate

[Past Present Future]

CSF, Meuh, Dangle and very unfortunately Math and probably TBone I think are town.

[Past Present Future]

something something wolfy delaying on claim to hope the pressure goes awya

That’s obviously not going to happen.

[Past Present Future]

If scum has so many recruits, how do we ever win?

Also Math, you hint a lot at how your flip will reveal a lot. What happens if lunars janitor you...?

If scum has so many recruits, how do we ever win?

Also Math, you hint a lot at how your flip will reveal a lot. What happens if lunars janitor you...?

Solar likely recruits every other day. Unwd’s play matched what I would expect a player to do with that pattern.

It’s not a lot but I am the balancing for it.

Like I can’t explain as it’s way too pro scum.

I doubt every lunar kill is a janitor so it’s a risk I gotta take.

If lunar kills and janitors me and you know I am town you’ll know I had mechanical reasons to think what I did.

If lunar just kills me then you KNOW why I think that.

Wait, what? I thought MMR was janitor?

Sync with your other head if this is real.

You’ve (your slot) posted the MMR flip several asking me to read this this feels really fake.

But in the interest of not being *that guy* benefit of doubt says I should ask you to talk with your partner

I think their role looks like one. I assumed that’s how they got passive results from the factional kill.

[Past Present Future]

CSF, Meuh, Dangle and very unfortunately Math and probably TBone I think are town.

If lunar kills and janitors me and you know I am town you’ll know I had mechanical reasons to think what I did.

And if I've been in a game with you before and know that things that we have to 'just trust you' on tend to be not true a worryingly high proportion of the time?

Don't think I've forgotten who kept saying I was confirmed scum for ambiguous role-related reasons in NQNM2 when we were both town

You're going to have to be a lot more explicit if you want this townie to follow your word.

Good thing I don’t think you’re town so…*shrug*

Yeah like you didn’t also think unwnd was trying to solve either. We’re going to lose this game probably because of you.

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

K well i dont know my attunement and shooting me is a legitimate waste

Did it? That was pretty much a scramble situation with MMR botching a claim

I thought that botched claim was some wacky town gambit. I also thought mastina wanting MMR (see: i thought she was scum) made me retract my vote

If you look, you'll see me as one of the first votes on MMR lol

I mean literally shoot my ass if you're soooo convinced

I have nothing to lose

Go on mathblade

Do it

Then start holding those motherfuckers more accountable who misread me

I'm calling your bkuff

Shoot me so you can be the last chapter of that shitshow that started with you and mastina in the first place

I will be a martyr

I get dogged on for trying to change things in a game stick in limbo

I'm sick of you acting like you own the joint

Shoot me and let your stubbornness die with me

I want you to recognize how much you've been an obstructive force to this game

I'm dogged on for not following orders like a dog

I have no shame other than my misconception of mastinas play

What are the reasons for me being scum?

I bet you can't find good ones from any individual

Don't let mathblade continue to play deputy

I'd like others to start suggesting shots not just me, cause shouldn't i have partners? Another thing nobody had to say about

You are literally the only person

Good job, roll over

Like i want town to win even without me

If im shot or limmed or whatever the fuck

Then i want to know where people will go next

How did you sr this @Math? Toog made the exact same mistake with Koba in Anything uPick. Why would scum try to go out of their way to antagonize vig?

[Past Present Future]

Good thing I don’t think you’re town so…*shrug*

Another almost exact quote from NQNM2. Anything to justify making your claims without justifying them. And the worst part is you probably are town.

And I was right on FL. The thing I was most insulted on.

How about instead of bringing up where I was wrong and being negative being positive if you’re town?

Where do we agree what are your reads?

Same issue with PPF too much negativity no positivity.

That’s very interesting since I was extremely positive towards you in White Flag, when I agreed with pretty much everything you said and who won that game again? Oh yeah, scum.

[Past Present Future]

So lemme get this straight. You think we’re Solar scum and Dangle is Lunar scum defending us. Makes perfect sense.

[Past Present Future]

So lemme get this straight. You think we’re Solar scum and Dangle is Lunar scum defending us. Makes perfect sense.

Correct. Yes. No facepalm required.

No, there’s actually not ENOUGH of them to say what I think of this take because it’s completely off the charts straight up whack. I can’t even.

If you think we’re both rival scum here, in what possible world is this making sense to you?

[Past Present Future]

You just vigged town totally misinterpreting what Meuh said to you. You can’t be probably making more posts than the majority of the playerlist combined and honestly accuse anyone else of spamming. People don’t want to post because you just drown out any dissenting opinions.

[Past Present Future]

I have to do a lot of work to convince myself furitive is town which makes me feel bad for him if he is, since he actually posts in the game. My progression on furitive has been as this:

day 1: he's doing stuff, probably down (oops, in hindsight he hard defended MMR until they crumbled, whatever)
day 2: he's doing nothing and his reads don't feel like they've meaningfully or naturally progressed, feels brittle and made up
day 3: furitive has gained an unwarranted self confidence and his agenda is to kill the lowest activity slots in the game. [minus enchant ig]

i would rather kill toogeloo today if we don't do PPF, but we will do PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Confirm yourself then. Bet you won't

This is a pretty awful interaction, especially as this vote isn't even there anymore.

So questions to furitive:

1. Explain your vote/scumread on me, if you even still have one. To me it looks like you scumread me day 1 for good reason, but as I gained more credibility, you have been afraid to change that for fear of looking inconsistent.
2. Explain your thoughts on PPF. Remember when you posted this one day 1?

6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - strong TR. I think this slot will either become obvtown or get voted out, so I'm not too worried. As in if this slot is scum, they'll just 1) stop posting as much and 2) start treading water.

Damn, you nailed PPF! That's exactly what they're doing! So.... why is it more important that we vote out a lurker?
3. Explain in more detail your scumreads, because as pointed out they are all low activity slots. Ydrasse is scum who has given up? Under what pressure? Scum is doing fine, they only lost one guy on one team.
4. opinion on t-bone?
5. opinion on enchant? What makes enchant different than ydrasse, firebringer, and toogeloo?

Maybe I’d be trying a helluva lot more if you and Math weren’t drowing out everyone else in the playerlist with moronic takes. The difference obviously is that you’re still scum and Math is town who’s scumsiding but hey continue to push this crap.

[Past Present Future]

Every single time I actually manage to get excited about this game, there’s either another 10,000 posts by Math insisting he’s right and that everyone who disagrees with him are scum or if I don’t have to try to fast forward through all that, I then have to deal with Scarf pushing his blatantly obvious scum agenda.

Sorry but I can’t solve with that constant bs I keep being forced o read. If we could possibly mute both of them for long enough, you’d see me obvtown in record time but anytime I have to read their posts, a sizeable chunk of my synapses implode.

I want to read more Dangle, CSF, Meuh, maybe even TBone and Ydrasse, maybe furtive and RR and that might actually make me want to care about what happens in this game.

[Past Present Future]

Honestly, I think scarf is town.

More context on the math thing last night: it came out of a discussion me and klick had about math, who, apart from mastina, is one of our strongest 'meta' reads. We were discussing other games in which math had been adameent about something incorrect, usually about mech (for example, in team mafia 2020 math was sure he wouldhe been the nk one night,and wasn't, and that meant scum had a traitor, which meant....) And none of it was correct.

We'd be very, very Sus of someone else claiming their role had extra bits to not disclose, and honestly I think any clarity around the recruitment/attunement thing would be pro-town, as it's currently maybe Innfo only a select few/scum have, but we don't find it as Sus as we probably should.

B

A readlist from PPF would still be massively appreciated, along with furtive responding to ydrasse

Scum!Math only spams when he gets wagoned, town!Math spams with his mystical myopic takes on a game. If he was scum here with most of the playerlist tr him, he’d be a lot quieter and willing to engage.

[Past Present Future]

Radical Rat - Prob town
2 Meuh - prob town
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant) - town
5 Scarfmanship - Lim yesterday
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - I love Nancy
7 Cat Scratch Fever - gtmh town
8 Enchant - moderate town
11 Frozen Angel Firebringer - gtmh scum, would lim but not preferred
12 Maid Cafe Toogeloo - gtmh town, would lim but not preferred
13 Mathblade - town
14 Furtiveglance - weak SR
15Save the Dragons Ydrasse - Need to sort. Nothing memorable.
16 T-Bone - prob town


Titus's cobbled together gut reads without consulting Nancy or reading last night.

Back to resting.

[Past Present Future]

How is Scarf town. He keeps pivoting from trying to hard miselim us and they tried hard to kill us > scum and when the flip proved MMR lied, they’re still pushing the same garbage.

I can see that coming from town!Math because he has out there takes as town like CSF/Yume - mechanically scum but town by play, when that slot has been locktown for me ever since I unvoted them. Math almost got us miselimed in DnD mafia game for hard insisting obvtown!Kochichi was was bleeding obvtown by play was confiscum for mech reasons, so I guess that he’s actually incorporating play into his read on them is a dramatic improvement here from that game.

[Past Present Future]

I don't think scarf is dominating as much as you think? I had them as nully scum until the middle of yesterday and then to me, along with unwind who was similar, they Townes it up.

We seem to agree about math.

There's the outstanding question about you being confirmable though, have I missed it?

Are those people you picked out town, or just easier to read? I think CSF is the most town from that list, with t bone, ydrasse and neuh on the 'id like to be town' list

B

P-edit sorry, you posted reads! Lemme go look

Reads were me.

Rest of talking has been Nancy mostly. I sign or staye it's me.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

I don't think scarf is dominating as much as you think? I had them as nully scum until the middle of yesterday and then to me, along with unwind who was similar, they Townes it up.

We seem to agree about math.

There's the outstanding question about you being confirmable though, have I missed it?

Are those people you picked out town, or just easier to read? I think CSF is the most town from that list, with t bone, ydrasse and neuh on the 'id like to be town' list

B

P-edit sorry, you posted reads! Lemme go look

My reads are more a combination of the two and none of their posts actually make me want to gauge my eyes out with a hot poker.

Well, I was hoping that we would have been checked by Meuh or CSF but that unfortunately didn’t happen. Our role is actually confirmable but only on our death, which is why I won’t claim unless I absolutely have to.

[Past Present Future]

RR is one of those that looks safe by mech but I sr a lot. But it would have to mean, probably, scum with t bone, right?

P-edit cool, I don't think either of them is the lim for tonight and I think is ++ town checking you or rr, either will help massively. Agree? Or will being checked not help enough?

Depends on the check, cops work obviously. We don't have a night action so some others won't.

I don't have much interest in limming a slot mod cleared not to be a particular faction unless things go hinky.

We should check Scarf imo.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Why? Just from a domino effect I think it kinda has to be you or rr for a cop?

I think ours and maths' slot annoyingly should basically never be limmed. We are perpetually the 'other' scum teams issue.

It also makes rr's target on not us a bit weird, but *shrug*

Yeah. I agree. Any game with Math, he or I will have to be copped. It is what it is.

Can you give feedback on my reads list while I go to work this AM?

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

RR is one of those that looks safe by mech but I sr a lot. But it would have to mean, probably, scum with t bone, right?

P-edit cool, I don't think either of them is the lim for tonight and I think is ++ town checking you or rr, either will help massively. Agree? Or will being checked not help enough?

Well, any of that couldn’t hurt, I guess. I think due to MMR flip, unless anyone has even wilder theories than Math and thinks MMR somehow bussed us, we’re pretty much confirmed not to be lunar scum, so I don’t know if any town night actions would be anywhere as helpful as town noon actions on us. Perhaps a tracker or even a jk or roleblocker on us could help? The obvious best action on us would obviously be some kind of watcher because our reasons for being so suss on Scarf is that we think they copped us or are otherwise somehow informed about our role and if they do know our role, it would make perfect sense why they’re trying so hard to get us miselimed.

[Past Present Future]

I'm just not getting into this game. I replaced into a VT slot and there's just been nothing but mechanics talk about traitors and/or cults. Math would have been better vigging me since unwnd actually kind of grasped what was going on. I actually town read them too.

My mindset right now is that we cull the lurkers and hope that the active players get sorted through night kills.

I was thinking that scum was probably hoping Math would misvig us, since I think he specifically had us as his preferred vig target if I’m remembering correctly?

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

VC 2.0.1



MMR (4) Mastina, Radical Rat, Yume, scarfmanship [E-4]

furtiveglance (2) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, unwnd
past Present Future(2) Toogeloo, Enchant

Toogeloo (1) furtiveglance,

Not Voting (7) Ydrasse, MMR, Firebringer, Mathblade, T-Bone, Past Present Future

Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-14 21:51:23)
With 15 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.

Based off of VCA, I think that makes the most sense.

[Past Present Future]

I'm just not getting into this game. I replaced into a VT slot and there's just been nothing but mechanics talk about traitors and/or cults. Math would have been better vigging me since unwnd actually kind of grasped what was going on. I actually town read them too.

My mindset right now is that we cull the lurkers and hope that the active players get sorted through night kills.

I was thinking that scum was probably hoping Math would misvig us, since I think he specifically had us as his preferred vig target if I’m remembering correctly?

I did. The only reason I changed is because unwd looked so much like Solar.

I would really love if we could get a solar today.

So how do you still think this?

Why? Scum is scum, why does it mater which one we take out? I’m going to be happy in either case. What I hope doesn’t happen again is another last minute compromise wagon like we had on d1, those are much greater > rand likely to hit town.

[Past Present Future]

Okay I see your reasoning with this but I’m definitely not going to cry if we hit a lunar. And also, counterpoint, if we wipe out an entire team, then it becomes like singleball and easier to solve but I do see merit in the associative argument as well.

I just want to hit scum and I really don’t particularly care which.

[Past Present Future]

Ok, full claim is in order from PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Why? No one wants to elim her. What good is a claim without reads? I don’t see a reason for a claim when no one wants to elim her but me and scarf.

I will want to eliminate PPF if their claim isn't good, and doesn't confirm them. That's why. If people are townreading PPF based on the claim of confirmability, you have to see whether or not it's real at some point.

I don't think scarf is dominating as much as you think? I had them as nully scum until the middle of yesterday and then to me, along with unwind who was similar, they Townes it up.

We seem to agree about math.

There's the outstanding question about you being confirmable though, have I missed it?

Are those people you picked out town, or just easier to read? I think CSF is the most town from that list, with t bone, ydrasse and neuh on the 'id like to be town' list

B

P-edit sorry, you posted reads! Lemme go look

My reads are more a combination of the two and none of their posts actually make me want to gauge my eyes out with a hot poker.

Well, I was hoping that we would have been checked by Meuh or CSF but that unfortunately didn’t happen. Our role is actually confirmable but only on our death, which is why I won’t claim unless I absolutely have to.

How did you miss this post?

[Past Present Future]

I could have possibly been confirmed had either Meuh of even better CSF checked us.

Why would we beg for vig?

[Past Present Future]

Scarf still voting me when I am already half clear and will be fully clear later is hella suss. If I somehow get miselimed today, remember that.

When hypothetically would you be “clear” by? {read I doubt this}

Possibly next day phase, I’m hoping.

@Math, I said it here. I obviously wouldn’t have said “probably” if it could be because of claim.

[Past Present Future]

Unfortunately unwnd hammered before either replacement could post and thread was already locked before I could say anything, so I just hoped one of them would check us.

[Past Present Future]

@furtive you obviously already know from Trees that I never succumb to pressure especially as town, so why would you think I would now?

[Past Present Future]

It's not a crisis but just a bout of depression. It'll pass quick I hope.

It's not a crisis but just a bout of depression. It'll pass quick I hope.

That’s why it’s an attainable goal that as long as you are making progress towards it in whatever way you see fit.

Same for the other hydra.

I want to see your slots aren’t in “whelp we are gonna die” mode.

Fair. I am in that mode though. The only thing I think that would save us is a mastina clear. I just want to put reads together.

For starters, I think Professor is scum, furtive is scum of the side that knows DDS is not one scum and RR knows we're town.

~Titus

I am going to bed but one last question

You said you’d be confirmable today, are you?

Nancy feels we are and that mastina confirms us. I'm not as certain but we'll be claiming if that's not the case bc it's you and me.
.~Titus

So we posted this how we could possibly be confirmable. People just assumed it would be specifically by claim but we never actually said that.

[Past Present Future]

I'm sorry for not checking you

Well it’s not your fault unwnd hammered and thread got locked. You would have had to have read through out ISO to have found those quotes.

[Past Present Future]

@furtive you obviously already know from Trees that I never succumb to pressure especially as town, so why would you think I would now?

Claiming your role isn't 'succumbing', it's helping Town by giving us information.

What part of it not being confirmable are you not getting?

[Past Present Future]

VT is confirmable on death. I'm confirmable on death ffs.

Our actual role is not just our alignment. I’m not going to help scum out. Look a lot harder and that’s all I’m going to say about it for now.

[Past Present Future]

@furtive you obviously already know from Trees that I never succumb to pressure especially as town, so why would you think I would now?

Claiming your role isn't 'succumbing', it's helping Town by giving us information.

What part of it not being confirmable are you not getting?

So that was a lie then.

Where did we lie? I said we could hopefully possibly be confirmable today. Neither head said that claiming our role was. Are you being intentionally obtuse here?