Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Alisae]

Very likely you'll live today unless Asri starts to do magic tricks and shows that they actually care about the game.

[Alisae]

Honestly couldn't tell considering I don't think I can really think of anything meaningful you added to the game.
But I mean ya I get you're busy! That's fine, if it comes to that I'll just take matters into my own hands and vote you out when I am ready

[Alisae]

Gimli can you claim in full?
You like partially claimed

n1 I produce a vig
n2 I give someone a vig

I'd rather fullclaim this now so on d3 the person I gave the vig isn't blocked I guess? I shouldn't have claimed anything and botched my role, so it is what it is

ok magic man I got you. I hope getting NK'd doesn't cancel your action but I also don't see why it would.

I think the best way to do this is to have Firebringer or Klick give you 3 names and you pick one of those?
Like any good magic trick, the audience needs to be able to have some influence on the matter. I don't really care who as long as it is not me

[Alisae]

That sounds like a slow as heck gun to produce though!

[Alisae]

I think just because no one can immediately answer you doesn't mean there aren't ways a no kill could be explained...
Let people check in let it cook

[Alisae]

Hi Klick!

[Alisae]

I mean it’s not impossible for me to be confbiasing myself on Misty being town. One of us is right.

Maybe the gears will start to turn as they read up. I see signs of them slightly turning but not fully there yet.

It’s not like we can’t go wrong with having more Misty content

[Alisae]

Hi Klick!

Hiiii

Ur other fos was Taly/fireisredsir? Tell me about that one

[Alisae]

Understandable have a nice day

[Alisae]

The only thing I got for ya is like if Taly is a villager and asri wolf they have 2 wolf reads in their lower tier. Taly can be a tough cookie to read but I want to say their readlist comes from town? They had Lycan in their bottom fairly early and asri didn’t do much at that point either

[Alisae]

Like I think those 2 fos’ at the time are logical and I can see how a villager reaches that conclusion early

[Alisae]

The only thing I got for ya is like if Taly is a villager and asri wolf they have 2 wolf reads in their lower tier. Taly can be a tough cookie to read but I want to say their readlist comes from town? They had Lycan in their bottom fairly early and asri didn’t do much at that point either

This one is really starting to question your agenda.

This one wonders why you keep ignoring that SirCakez has done far less...

This one also wonders what makes Taly/fireisredsir so good?

A readslist?


Okay............

This one is officially adding Alisae under 'Do Not Trust' along with Cakez, fireisredsir and Petapan.

Lmao

[Alisae]

I’m sorry Asri I’m. To interested in your snek oil try again

[Alisae]

I’m not interested*
Dang mobile

[Alisae]

How about a claim Asri?
Do you want to claim willingly or do I have to wagon you for it

[Alisae]

I’m sorry Asri I’m. To interested in your snek oil try again

This one cares little.

If you trust Cakez, more than this one, this one doesn't trust you.

End of story. Was it happy?

Not much.

There are plenty of players that trust Cakez. Are they all wolves because they trust someone you wolfread?

[Alisae]

And I will vote you out of the game

[Alisae]

How about a claim Asri?
Do you want to claim willingly or do I have to wagon you for it

Try it!

Just try!

You, Alisae, will get nothing out of me. I don't trust you, so, nothing!

Ur not really doing it for me, you’re doing it because you claiming is inevitable but I mean hey if u insist.
VOTE: Asri

[Alisae]

If u are so god damn sure of your own innocence, maybe try being transparent instead of opaque. Maybe try showing you actually care about the game with your actions, not your words. That would be a great start!

[Alisae]

Asri you should also try not OMGUSing the people who fos you?

[Alisae]

Will anyone acknowledge that the mechanically correct play is to vote out petapan

This one has, so far.

If Peta is a wolf, of course, expect chaos.

Lmfao

[Alisae]

If u are so god damn sure of your own innocence, maybe try being transparent instead of opaque. Maybe try showing you actually care about the game with your actions, not your words. That would be a great start!

Maybe vote for PetaPan or SirCakez.

hmm, ya… no how about you say something that convinces me to try to do that

[Alisae]

Or add any kind of villager contribution to the game Asri why can’t you do that?

[Alisae]

Oh wait because whenever anyone asks you to do it you go “uh, ya no sorry.”

[Alisae]

Honestly villagers shouldn’t need to be prodded as much as you need to be to produce content, they just do so naturally

[Alisae]

But with you it seems like I’m pulling teeth.
I find it really hard to believe you care when you’re putting me in your wolf pool and you continue to play in this way.

[Alisae]

I'll just chill here then because I'm apparently a Village Idiot for stopping a kill and claiming when there's a 50/50 guilty on a player

take a break from the thread.
Posting is not going to get you your day end faster.

[Alisae]

This one thinks Furtive touched a nerve.

See what is this.

You post this but you refuse to post actual content

[Alisae]

This one doesn't like that comment, it has stated it's busy. Having less time doesn't mean this one cares less, please don't make that insinuation?

Busy btw

[Alisae]

This one doesn't like that comment, it has stated it's busy. Having less time doesn't mean this one cares less, please don't make that insinuation?

Busy btw

This one is amused by you at this point. This one is starting to believe they're right: You are not to be trusted.

From my perspective if you wanted to provide villager contributions you would have made the time to do so.

[Alisae]

I don’t want your life story, if you’re a villager I want you to show me with your actions you give a damn.

[Alisae]

Like you probably are busy irl I’m not doubting that.
I feel like there have been plenty of opportunities to provide villager contributions on your own whim and show transparency. There will be more opportunities in the future. You will take none of them.

[Alisae]

Anyone wanna act as a neutral third party here?
Am I demanding a lot from Asri? I don’t think I’m being unreasonable here.

[Alisae]

asri's scumreads are 70% omgus and 30% opportunism

Is it just me or are Asri and Ari’s reads similar?

[Alisae]

Nah I’m just seeing things

[Alisae]

Must be the fact I need to sleep

[Alisae]

Ah this one hasn't read at all yet. And won't claim today, at all, simply to spite Alisae. This one didn't even know Gimli and Sir is on this one!

Horrible!

Cakez this one very much won't trust.

Peta is an excellent vote.

Gimli..... this one really felt they're good!

Taly/fireisredsir pretty scummy Day One. This vote does nothing.

So.

VOTE: Gimli

This one trusted you the most, and still did earlier before reading the vc! Now it's personal.

Sir Cakez, Gimli didn't like you. Distancing?

This one will speak about Alisae whenever they are so inclined.

Furtive, herd some more people onto PetaPan! Also, Furtive, Gimli has felt good to this one. Is this one wrong?

ok I will go get more votes on you

[Alisae]

as much as I think your gimmick is cute and funny I think you should probably drop it if you're town because it's going to get you killed

Tbh I can read past the gimmick, so they can do what they want.

[Alisae]

The gimmick is irrelevant and is mostly an excuse for other players.
I expect most players here to be able to read past it.

[Alisae]

This one refuses. Anyone voting this one on vapidities deserve what they get, and most people on this one now look pretty bad.

So.

No.

This one is this one.

deserve what they get?
You brought this upon yourself

[Alisae]

Another read I've flipped on is Alisae - I had e as scum towards end of day 1 before I got upset, but the way e has taken command of the town today (especially at day start) feels transparently town. I would be shocked if e pulled this kind of power move as scum - it feels untenable and I feel like I almost never see scum go "okay, I'm taking over as leader, this is our lim pool," etc. I dunno does that make sense?

i think alisae would def be more than capable and willing to do that as scum

but i am not really sure it makes sense in this situation so i also feel less strongly about scumreading there

This exact situation where the day starts and I take charge I think has historically been more so a town trait for me?
I actually can’t remember a wolf game of the top of my head that is similar but plenty of town games.
I also vote wolves less. Lycanfire vote on early pages and that read likely doesn’t happen. If one understands my play well enough one will probably come to the conclusion that I’m town because with Lycandan it was like “I fos this” “I see something that could be villagery” “I fos this”

I also think my role will clear me when I claim. My role always hammers dan and if anything the only thing I can think of that one would point at this with skepticism is that the hammer didn’t come out instantly as I wanted to think about it for a bit.

Peta is right as wolf I will find ways to push terrible lim pools. If I’m a wolf my play will probably end up looking way way more as if I’m playing towards some kind of gameplan and agenda.

[Alisae]

I think alisae would describe her own scum game as exactly that.

Like ya driving the narrative and controlling the agenda is something I stick by but as a villager if I come into the day phase with a solve I’m super happy with I’m switching from taking a backseat to powerplaying

[Alisae]

I would like to move the conversation to Misty cause I feel like a lot of people have Misty as a wolf but are not trying to provide any arguments for it

Okay now this is a read I want to talk about.

The popular "there must be a wolf in here" pool I've been seeing during my readthrough has been Red/Gimli. I feel like Misty should be in the pool too though.
There's several reasons I find Mistyx to be pretty scummy.

-She has been perpetually disengaged. I haven't really seen any effort from her to try to talk about her reads or get more invested in this game. Just constant dipping in and out and potshots at random slots. I'm reading her ISO right now and I barely have a sense of any of her reads or pushes at all except for...

-The Red tunnel. Red is def scummy but it just feels like MIstyx is using this push as a crutch to avoid doing anything else. Either this is a really dedicated bus or scum fishing for a mislim on someone who is widely suspected.

im so tunneled on redff lol that reaction to furtive's claim looks so fake

Like she is even self aware she is super tunneled but then just keeps sitting there.

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

VOTE: redFF

This is also the last vote she placed day one (and actually in the game so far). She's just sitting on Red and not pushing anywhere else.

-She didn't really talk about Dan or Lycan at all.

saving my place at top of page 24

think lycan is town for reasons I’ll think are bad if i explain

This feels fishy af - like this is exactly what scum would say to avoid voting a buddy without saying too much.

Can you give independent reads on these players [Lycanfire/SirCakez]?

will you be upset if the answer is "no"

Not upset lol, but I was a bit wary that you've been pretty good about giving independent reads on most players, but not when it comes to the two players that I happen to scumread

But I see you gave one on Cakez right after this lol

Can I bother you for a read on Lycan

pretty neutral tbh

i don't have much to say there in terms of their actual posts
maybe slightly >rand scum to say "i'm hyped for this playerlist" then lowpost but also totally willing to chalk it up to oog

This also reads like a buddy post.

-The general ignorance of the slot within the gamestate. I feel like Mistyx's play is pretty comparable to the popular suspects in Red and Gimli but she is not being put in the pool with them (my general impression correct me if I'm wrong) and some people even have her as town which to me is just ???. Fire and I tried to start a wagon there day one and got absolutely nowhere. I feel like scum would be feasting on this slot if it were town.

This is good! I mean some of it is junk but there are things I'm can even see and I think it addresses some of my concerns.
If RedFF can prove his a villager it's something I should probably be reconsidering, I could just be giving too much credit there where it's due because I identified things that look like they have a pulse.
It's not like it's out of PoE I think I'm the only person that's trying super hard to push it out of the PoE. Her being disengaged is something I would expect from her wolf play and it's something a lot of people are seeing right now so...

I'll admit that my towncase on misty is something I would probably cook up if I was a wolf with misty. It had that level of like depth to it where if I'm a wolf I'm probably looking for anything I can find in the iso to justify the slot as being town. If that's what we're doing I'll show some support but I wanna resolve Asri and RedFF first. RedFF's flip especially I think will help me out with Misty.

[Alisae]

I don't really get this vibe at all - for example Alisae has her as hard town.

I think I'm one of the only few slots that are actively trying to defend the player

[Alisae]

Very possible I'm giving Misty too much Credit for a read that has probably going stale, I find that it's a read that has gone stale a lot.
Early I wanted to TR it hard and then it got stale
then I read up and by the end of D1 I wanted to tr it again
and weirdly enough here we are where I have reason to move gimli and furtive out of my suspects and it, again, is just getting stale.

[Alisae]

i refuse to vote the funny gimmick account!

Can you provide thoughts or content that people can tango with?
You have no game presence. You come in, say your peace, and then leave.

[Alisae]

black does your opinion change in light of ari's claim

Black should answer but after his answer my question to you would be how does this question help you at all? Like, what's your expectation here. Why would Black's opinion change?

[Alisae]

so the question is, who didn't visit petapan last night?

lol

[Alisae]

black does your opinion change in light of ari's claim

Yes. Am I understanding this correctly? Ari can confirm that Cakez targetted peta last night, and furtive blocked/protected peta

Cakez needs to respond but yes this changes everything

And it seems that my expectation has been completely subverted...
How does this change everything?

[Alisae]

i been on alisae scum for 100 pages now

wow amazing

[Alisae]

I dont think any of the pressure on asri is due to the gimmick at all, quite frankly.

True

[Alisae]

It seems Asri has gone mad

[Alisae]

So like this tantrum doesn't make sense to me at all? Like it's basically lolcatting which is awkward to think about why this is happening because villagers usually don't lolcat.
I don't know what's going on. Does Asri not know that if he keeps doing this and refuses to be cooperative he's just going to die? I don't see why anyone would want to put up with this behavior and I don't see how anyone would find this behavior to be acceptable even if it is town.

Idunno it's one of those things that's like maybe this is a villager but they're turning themselves into a policy elim?
Ya I think I just want Asri dead and I want to elim it just based on policy alone. I find a really hard time justifying why I should not flip the slot if they're just going to play like this. Doesn't matter if it's a villager I feel like it just needs to be flipped at this point.

[Alisae]

Shea can you wolfcase Fire for me?

[Alisae]

i refuse to vote the funny gimmick account!

Can you provide thoughts or content that people can tango with?
You have no game presence. You come in, say your peace, and then leave.

this one does how this one pleases!

Your funeral.

[Alisae]

I also don’t really know what to think about Asri’s refusal to read

[Alisae]

UNVOTE: SirCakez

Don't trust everyone. Peta looks better, for being the unvoter. That is all this one adds, now, gone!

HE UNVOTES YOU SO HES TOWN NOW?????

[Alisae]

I also don’t really know what to think about Asri’s refusal to read

What are your thoughts on the whole Cakez/peta/furtive/Ari/Klick fiasco?

Honestly, I don’t really care.
Just want to say that Peta was shot at and call it at that tbh. At least for now.
It’s something that will probably come up later in the game once we have more flips.

[Alisae]

I also don’t really know what to think about Asri’s refusal to read

This one is just laughing at you at this point.

Throwing out such shallow, vapid statements and never, ever approaching what this one says. Such a Baltar... but Baltar is Shea. Baltar had, looking back, mean benevolent intent.... perhaps. Only feels good about Baltar cos of Shea.

You're just malicious.

VOTE: Alisae

This vote, this vote.... this one isn't changing it soon. Call it personal.

You’re not saying anything???

Am I wrong here? Anyone that isn’t Asri want to tell me if he’s saying anything?

[Alisae]

I also don’t really know what to think about Asri’s refusal to read

What are your thoughts on the whole Cakez/peta/furtive/Ari/Klick fiasco?

Honestly, I don’t really care.
Just want to say that Peta was shot at and call it at that tbh. At least for now.
It’s something that will probably come up later in the game once we have more flips.

o wait

[Alisae]

o now I get it

[Alisae]

ya know at first I didn't think at much of ari tracking cakez to peta

[Alisae]

now it's clicking

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

ya know at first I didn't think at much of ari tracking cakez to peta

???

I did not think of the implications...

[Alisae]

it didn't like register right away
dunno any other way to put it

[Alisae]

ya know at first I didn't think at much of ari tracking cakez to peta

???

I did not think of the implications...

did you forget there was no night kill and furtive claimed jk on peta?

Yes

[Alisae]

I did not connect the two together

[Alisae]

I refuse to engage with Asri anymore they've gone mad.
Not worth the time or the headache

[Alisae]

ya know at first I didn't think at much of ari tracking cakez to peta

???

I did not think of the implications...

did you forget there was no night kill and furtive claimed jk on peta?

Yes

For real? That must've been a deeeeep tunnel on Asri

If you don’t believe me look at my questions to u and redff regarding the topic

[Alisae]

black does your opinion change in light of ari's claim

Black should answer but after his answer my question to you would be how does this question help you at all? Like, what's your expectation here. Why would Black's opinion change?

black does your opinion change in light of ari's claim

Yes. Am I understanding this correctly? Ari can confirm that Cakez targetted peta last night, and furtive blocked/protected peta

Cakez needs to respond but yes this changes everything

And it seems that my expectation has been completely subverted...
How does this change everything?

[Alisae]

I also don’t really know what to think about Asri’s refusal to read

What are your thoughts on the whole Cakez/peta/furtive/Ari/Klick fiasco?

cakez sounds like the only wolf in this pool. I think it lines up.
Peta is fine for now, if this is some misunderstanding and a bunch of people flip town maybe Peta performed the kill but that still feels off to me so likely Peta town
Furtive I empathize with as I was in his situation and I think I too also wanted kill the person I jailkept. I also think his role lines up with mine.
Ari townie
Klick also townie

[Alisae]

Black, Ari, Furtive, Gimli, Peta (stays here if cakez wolf), Klick
MT, fireisredsir, CSF
Firebringer, Shea
Misty, RedFF
Asri Cakez

I'll stand by I think Black villagerslipped near end of d1 and here they seem fine.
Ari Furtive Gimli Peta all role related except peta is probs the night kill if cakez is wolf
Klick is so town I just feel like it's self-evident.

MT I think is town here. I think how they get to their reads is what I am used to.
Fireisredsir I think has villagery stances same goes for CSF.

Fire I feel like I need more dead bodies cause right now I fail to see the big picture if they're a wolf.
I think Shea is townie with this fire read he has as I don't see wolf agenda right now.

Misty RedFF probably has 1 wolf. I could see Misty being right on Red and I can also see Misty pushing that as a miselim

Asri being a wolf w/ Cakez seems like a difficult pill to swallow.

ya i still want to say there are only 2 wolves alive right now cause i have a hard time seeing anyone above misty/redff line as a wolf right now :/

[Alisae]

Black, Ari, Furtive, Gimli, Peta (stays here if cakez wolf), Klick
MT, fireisredsir, CSF
Firebringer, Shea
Misty, RedFF
Asri Cakez

I'll stand by I think Black villagerslipped near end of d1 and here they seem fine.
Ari Furtive Gimli Peta all role related except peta is probs the night kill if cakez is wolf
Klick is so town I just feel like it's self-evident.

MT I think is town here. I think how they get to their reads is what I am used to.
Fireisredsir I think has villagery stances same goes for CSF.

Fire I feel like I need more dead bodies cause right now I fail to see the big picture if they're a wolf.
I think Shea is townie with this fire read he has as I don't see wolf agenda right now.

Misty RedFF probably has 1 wolf. I could see Misty being right on Red and I can also see Misty pushing that as a miselim

Asri being a wolf w/ Cakez seems like a difficult pill to swallow.

ya i still want to say there are only 2 wolves alive right now cause i have a hard time seeing anyone above misty/redff line as a wolf right now :/

u think its 3 mafia - 14 town?

Ya...It's not really based on anything but my reads and goes against how 17p should be (I imagine most 17p games should be 4 wolves 13 town). Idunno just feels right?

[Alisae]

I am super struggling to think of a 4th wolf suspect right now

[Alisae]

let him read

[Alisae]

let him read

no u

true
I am a yugioh player
it is well known that yugioh players cannot read

[Alisae]

I'm behind ten pages why do you all want me to claim Cakez's role

ari tracked cakez to peta

[Alisae]

VOTE: cakez

[Alisae]

mpo;dhsg t;ld.sh

LOL

[Alisae]

What if Cakez was the nightkill, commuted to petapan, and my JK did nothing

no

[Alisae]

this game is actually over

[Alisae]

we can massclaim tomorrow I think our lead is huge assuming cakez flips wolf

[Alisae]

Massclaim y/y?

Here is an order I came up with.

Mistyx
redFF
Firebringer
Alisae
Thestatusquo
fireisredsir
Asri Teroka
Morning Tweet
Black
Klick
Ari only cause she hasn't full claimed

I assume Peta, Gimli, and Furtive have nothing else to claim.

Ari, Gimli, Peta, Furtive can all attempt to refine the order. I think everyone below asri shouldn't be higher unless we want klick to claim first which I could see being reasonable, i don't know if having that role claim first or last is optimal.

Rules for massclaim
1 - No voting during massclaim.
2 - Form a designated order and claim in that. I'm not giving you an order because I can't guarantee I'll be alive to see it. If you have a Counterclaim, wait your turn.
3 - Claim everything, do it correctly and properly. Don't misread anything.
4 - After the massclaim is over, wait and think it over before votes come out. It's common knowledge that massclaim once you have a big lead will break large theme games. There are likely elements of this that just become a logic puzzle and the idea is to solve as much as we can before we go into voting.

The order should be figured out when the time comes around to it.

[Alisae]

please put the votes away unless we really don't want to do massclaim, I think we should massclaim today I think our lead is big enough to warrant it

[Alisae]

Aristeia should have a Track result; I didn't roleblock her.

I thought you were 1-shot

[Alisae]

oh ok nvm
go next night
LOL

[Alisae]

actually do we want to massclaim to like
really lock it in?

[Alisae]

this game should 100% be over if we coordinate actions.
Anyone I target cannot be roleblocked. I have 2 shots of this ability and I used one last night on Gimli

[Alisae]

I also have 2 crumbs I can point to let me go get them

[Alisae]

d1

I am a threat
together we cannot be stopped

d2

Gimli can you claim in full?
You like partially claimed

n1 I produce a vig
n2 I give someone a vig

I'd rather fullclaim this now so on d3 the person I gave the vig isn't blocked I guess? I shouldn't have claimed anything and botched my role, so it is what it is

ok magic man I got you. I hope getting NK'd doesn't cancel your action but I also don't see why it would.

I think the best way to do this is to have Firebringer or Klick give you 3 names and you pick one of those?
Like any good magic trick, the audience needs to be able to have some influence on the matter. I don't really care who as long as it is not me

[Alisae]

I am but a humble stag
I escort thee across the hollowlands

[Alisae]

imagine reading bro

[Alisae]

I also have a N3 vig shot courtesy (presumably) of Gimli, so Aristeia's rolestop could be good for that

sounds like I'm on you then

[Alisae]

I can't really think of who else it would be.
Last wolf is probably in redFF and Misty and I think RedFF is townier now :/

[Alisae]

I also have a N3 vig shot courtesy (presumably) of Gimli, so Aristeia's rolestop could be good for that

sounds like I'm on you then

Alisae sorry

wouldn't be the first time it happened!

[Alisae]

also lol at cakez having an ability to make him ascetic and getting guiltied after not using it

the fact that actually happened is actually wild

[Alisae]

We would probably be playing a mafia game still if he did that

[Alisae]

I can't really think of who else it would be.
Last wolf is probably in redFF and Misty and I think RedFF is townier now :/

what if

all scum hood

is that too wild?

Yes and No

[Alisae]

Sounds like the game is just over then

[Alisae]

I can't really think of who else it would be.
Last wolf is probably in redFF and Misty and I think RedFF is townier now :/

i have info that makes redff very likely town imo but i'll wait for him to get in thread

I thought you were a Town Useless Joat

LOL

[Alisae]

ya wanna just massclaim

[Alisae]

let's just do it this game is so so over

[Alisae]

I think given how far ahead we are we should probably make an attempt to coordinate actions?

[Alisae]

Mistyx
Thestatusquo
--
Firebringer
Klick
redFF
fireisredsir
Asri Teroka
Morning Tweet
Black
Ari only cause she hasn't full claimed

I assume Peta, Gimli, and Furtive have nothing else to claim.
I also have nothing else to claim.

Anyone want to make any adjustments?

[Alisae]

obvs misty and shea are just wolves at this point so they can just claim whatever they want

[Alisae]

what's funny is I think we're so far ahead even if we miss it's very likely that gimli will get to hand out a 2nd gun

[Alisae]

like lmao this game is so over

[Alisae]

Why would we MC?

- our lead is significant. Massclaim is best when we have a significant lead.
- this game is likely over so we get to close it out by coordinating actions for the future nights.

[Alisae]

If someone (other than alisae) could explain to me the point of MC when town is so far ahead that would be great

Massclaim is best done when village is really far ahead

[Alisae]

it's common knowledge that massclaim when most wolves are dead breaks large themes

[Alisae]

i am sus of alisae just hard 180ing on me tbh and yesterday made a note that i thought e would do this if e was a wolf here

which is not to say it is not deserved

but i feel like this is just

a line that wolf!ali takes most of the time?

why wouldn't I 180 on you if I'm a villager?

[Alisae]

Do you think I'm genuinely going to keep tunneling Asri who demonstrated he is def not aligned with Cakez?
Cakez flipping wolf makes Asri a lot more villagery. I can tell this based on Asri's reads and D2 play. I think Asri's D2 play is villagery and I don't think it makes sense for them to be a wolf. Their stubbornness to not read likely comes from town. They're refuse to cooperate likely also comes from town. Their tantrum D2 doesn't really seem wolfy. Not to mention all of the wolves that have flipped (shea is included in this) likely wanted to go there. Cakez was fine with going there.
Signs point to the slot likely being a villager.

RedFF hanging onto his wolfread on me is also likely to come from a villager tbh.

[Alisae]

i am sus of alisae just hard 180ing on me tbh and yesterday made a note that i thought e would do this if e was a wolf here

which is not to say it is not deserved

but i feel like this is just

a line that wolf!ali takes most of the time?

why wouldn't I 180 on you if I'm a villager?

that's not what i'm saying

i think you could totally do it as a villager but you would totally do it as a wolf

Doesn't that make your point null then

[Alisae]

Rules for massclaim
1 - No voting during massclaim.
2 - Form a designated order and claim in that. I'm not giving you an order because I can't guarantee I'll be alive to see it. If you have a Counterclaim, wait your turn.
3 - Claim everything, do it correctly and properly. Don't misread anything.
4 - After the massclaim is over, wait and think it over before votes come out. It's common knowledge that massclaim once you have a big lead will break large theme games. There are likely elements of this that just become a logic puzzle and the idea is to solve as much as we can before we go into voting.

The order should be figured out when the time comes around to it.

[Alisae]

I have something I want to add to klick's comment but I think it's best to holster it until massclaim is over

[Alisae]

actually I have a few things fuck I'll just throw them out now
2 wolf roles have flipped that if used on teammates prevents said teammates from being targeted which is interesting.

I've played around with a bastard wolf vig inventor that gives guns to villagers that don't do what they say they do.

[Alisae]

Cakez can't be targetted if he performs the kill.
Dan rolestops another teammate. Dan can always receive a gun.

[Alisae]

a wild growlithe has appeared

[Alisae]

this game should 100% be over if we coordinate actions.
Anyone I target cannot be roleblocked. I have 2 shots of this ability and I used one last night on Gimli

Is this a full claim?

Yes

[Alisae]

this game should 100% be over if we coordinate actions.
Anyone I target cannot be roleblocked. I have 2 shots of this ability and I used one last night on Gimli

Is this a full claim?

Yes

Can you explain these two posts:

I also think my role will clear me when I claim. My role always hammers dan and if anything the only thing I can think of that one would point at this with skepticism is that the hammer didn’t come out instantly as I wanted to think about it for a bit.

I think Dan really did his best to make himself look aligned to me and I probably do ignore him if he is a wolf but I hammered Dan because of information only my slot has.

He has more shots than me + my role is likely in setup to counteract his

[Alisae]

Like Black I think my vote on Dan is extremely safe for my role to make at the time

[Alisae]

RedFF claim

[Alisae]

RedFF claim

nah im good

no ur claiming today

[Alisae]

And Alisae is probably #4

lmao

[Alisae]

Cakez flips makes me obvtown lmfao

[Alisae]

The way his read changed on me throughout d1 is 100% a wolf adjusting a villager to be in their fos pool and their push on me was complete garbage

[Alisae]

I'm in a bad mood so y'all get a rant

This game is soo fucking stupid I feel like I cannot post anything without ten people going "LOL CAKEZ NO LOGIC HES SCUM"
I don't even fucking want to explain myself because some asshole is going to go "nah but what about this bro what are you even doing xD xD lol!" This is so fucking annoying who even has fun playing Mafia like this? Like just fucking let me do my thing for five seconds and figure people out. I can't fucking do anything this game without somebody finding a way to shade me and call me scum for it.

Yeah I fucked up my read on Ari I missed two posts or fucking WHATEVER where she agreed with me for two things. I know I suck soooo fucking bad right?

Yeah I think Alis town core is fucking scummy because e has players in there that the majority of the game has as null at best. Is e protecting buddies? Saving limbait for later? I don't FUCKING KNOW but I don't see why e would do that as town! I don't fucking put players that most of the game don't town read in a "town core". Who defines a town core as players like that? Fucking no one!

God fucking damn! I haven't been this pissed by a game in a while. I get limmed all the time but at least people aren't so shitty about it normally I just feel sad not like an actually shit mafia player.

I KNOW I'm shit at mafia. I don't play this game so I can have a 100% ELO god tier paragon mafia hunter rate or fucking whatever. I log in for 30 minutes to an hour a day, read as much as I can and make analysis from that. I don't have the brainpower or time to sit around pulling a fucking Freud re ISOing their 100 posts reading their 500 game meta and being like HMMMM WHAT IF ALISAE WAS ACTUALLY PULLING A 720 UNO REVERSE CARD AND IS REACTION TESTING THE SCUM or some fucking bullshit like that. I see someone post a reads list that makes no sense to me I think that's pretty fucking scummy. I feel like it's not rocket science but someone always has to be like "WELL WHY DIDNT YOU THINK OF THIS CAKEZ!!!! YOURE SCUMMMM!!!" I just want to come in and have some fun and post a little analysis and some reads and fuck off back to my hole. I can't sit around here figuring everything fucking out.

God damn I had to get this off my chest.

just kill me I don't want to play this game anymore and I don't want to give this slot to some poor fucker it's already doomed

This is posted from a wolf who thinks that the push on them is going to get them killed

[Alisae]

Cakez flips makes me obvtown lmfao

How?

read the game

[Alisae]

I'm not entertaining wolf reads that are basically based on non-sense and villagers who refuse to re-evaluate given what was presented.
I understand why I would be in people's PoE but I really shouldn't be and the people who are putting me in their PoE's are likely not thinking

[Alisae]

proves nothing

my towniness is self-evident

[Alisae]

Anyway, my reads are out there, my claim is out there, if I need to confirm myself by revealing Ali's flavor I will but I don't really want to do that, so I'm gunna dip out of the thread now have fun y'all.

There is nothing for you to reveal that isn't already public knowledge

[Alisae]

Can other people make RedFF claim and make sure the massclaim happens?

[Alisae]

but like, this feels like an auto win so i don't know why anyone would just refuse to claim at this point.

Because Alisae is insisting on massclaim and I wolfread them!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alisae]

I DON'T WANNA LISTEN TO A WOLF WHO IS SUGGESTING MASSCLAIM I REFUSE

[Alisae]

I also don't wanna re-evaluate my reads at all! Yep Ali wolf from D1 even tho makes 0 sense at this stage of progression and given who flipped but I refuse to listen to anyone else's arguments or do any further investigation I am just going to take my bad d1 read and roll with it!

[Alisae]

also datisi isnt going to make a game that's breakable that man loves to do silly things

2 wolf slots that prevent actions on each other are dead

[Alisae]

I also don't wanna re-evaluate my reads at all! Yep Ali wolf from D1 even tho makes 0 sense at this stage of progression and given who flipped but I refuse to listen to anyone else's arguments or do any further investigation I am just going to take my bad d1 read and roll with it!

are you talking to me?

Yes

[Alisae]

Why is Shea null here? Less than a day before this he was in your towncore. What changed?

Middle is not null

[Alisae]

actually ig it like kind of is but like

top line is super town
below is probably town
below that is just the best place to put shea, fire. brain here thought there is likely 1 wolf there
below that I have 1 wolf in {redff, misty}
below that I have 1 wolf in {cakez, asri}

[Alisae]

Also Ari point on protectives at this point is null.
If they do exist and shea flips wolf, they have to attract a kill because at this point you're likely a cop.

I see no downsides this can only go in our favor

[Alisae]

Like I would say a protective outing themselves is good here because that guarantees that you will get a result tonight.
Like our lead is pretty significant, so we can just boldly claim our roles, coordinate actions, and it's very unlikely that wolves will be able to answer everything tonight as well as the next night

[Alisae]

Cakez probably doesn't have to claim in thread right away, I can imagine guy can claim to Klick privately and then Klick can figure it out.

That to me sounds super safe and probably preferable than getting it open in the main thread.

Why have you been pushing people to claim all game (red, Asri, now everyone) but here you wanted to be super safe and have wolf Cakez do it in private?

Because at the time I townread cakez and had no reason to suspect cakez over asri

[Alisae]

actually ig it like kind of is but like

top line is super town
below is probably town
below that is just the best place to put shea, fire. brain here thought there is likely 1 wolf there
below that I have 1 wolf in {redff, misty}
below that I have 1 wolf in {cakez, asri}

Yeah but a day before having Shea in the middle tier you had him in your towncore. What changed?

gimli furtive claims are pretty notable

[Alisae]

red asri at the time were poe where as cakez really wasn't

[Alisae]

and those are things we likely hunt down anyway

[Alisae]

Asri's d2 play just screams uninformed even if I want to policy it. It just likely flips town

[Alisae]

redff's closemindedness is villagery but it's just complete intolerable to deal with

[Alisae]

redff's closemindedness is villagery but it's just complete intolerable to deal with

Wait now you throw this opinion out after scumreading him all game for it?

ya what you think I'm a wolf for it?

[Alisae]

wow ali is a wolf they're trying to push people to claim in a gamestate where it will only help village accelerate they're lead to do so but they're trying to get claims wow very wolfy!

[Alisae]

Ali can totally fakeclaim what they claimed and play it out the way they did as a wolf too they would have to be LIEING it's the only thing that makes sense!

[Alisae]

i think ive done a solid job so far. i voted mafia day 1, and i voted mafia day 2. not much more i can do to help the town achieve victory.

me too

[Alisae]

Black townslipped

[Alisae]

@Klick, Dan, Shea -

What's been going on in the PT?

villager slip

[Alisae]

@Klick, Dan, Shea -

What's been going on in the PT?

villager slip

getting someone's name wrong is not definitive proof of anything silly ali

we removed 1 wolf's name to replace them with another
idunno 90% likely to come from a villager but 10% a wolf maybe?

[Alisae]

I also want to say how they're struggling to read me is likely to be villagery?

[Alisae]

frequently too much consistency is actually a sign of a mafioso. I actually think alisae probably is more cognizant of staying within a reasonable range of the things they've said before as scum than as town, as town Ali kind of just lets the freak flag fly and says the words they believe in the moment. This feels way more like town ali than scum ali the only thing that pings me slightly lately is how thread controlling they've tried to be.

I think I'm way more consistent if I'm a wolf.
I don't think I'm at the point where I can fake my reads changing every so quickly as a wolf like how here and even then it'll never be the same as the real deal

[Alisae]

something still bugs me about calling them wolves and villages btw. I'm ooooooold schooooool.

Or perhaps just old. Either way I once again failed at going to bed.

I used to say scum a lot. Then I played on MU and I think eventually scum was replaced by wolf. Same goes for town transitioning to villager.
I'm not a fan of the term scum but this isn't why I moved away from it I just like wolf more

[Alisae]

yea im not into it either but i guess thats just the way it is now

you know whats fucked up is I find myself slipping into it myself because its so pervasive.

my biggest theory on language is that we are more likely to use the language of the people that we surround ourselves with

[Alisae]

I don't think it's like impossible ali is the last wolf

like the opening posts from D2 are p bad in terms of having both shea/sircakes in the townreads and wanting to shovelkill asri/redff/gimli/furtive?

what makes me think ali is town is that massive WIM energy is so off the charts i have trouble seeing scum!ali maintain it through ali's team getting blown out

If I'm a wolf you don't get a guilty on Cakez

[Alisae]

rarely do I make night action blunders.
If I'm a wolf I shoot Furtive because wolf me thinks that his 1-shot jk claim is bullshit

[Alisae]

an unclaimed ascetic gets limmed too

I don't believe you have anyway to prove that you didn't get roleblocked

[Alisae]

I also have 0 reason to shoot Peta N1

[Alisae]

the dead roleblocker is pretty good proof

Datisi game

[Alisae]

i dunno i think you have a lot of respect for peta also this conversation is going nowhere

I kill people who are threats to me or my wolf team.

[Alisae]

in my eyes going into n1 I have peta in my pocket at least he's def not voting me anytime soon

[Alisae]

Peta by my standards is just suboptimal at the time

[Alisae]

Actually I decided this just now
saying I'm a wolf is basically the same thing as saying you think I blunder night actions and that you think the best kill I have N1 is peta.

[Alisae]

Like why wouldn't I send someone to shoot Ari?
She is clearly the loudest voice for Cakez and probably one of the bigger obstacles in the game that are preventing me from just having complete control over it. In fact I'm pretty sure Cakez doesn't get wagoned again if Ari dies. Only real vocal person pushing it will be Asri lmfao
She def has to get nightkilled at some point in the game she's never getting limmed.

[Alisae]

how is peta a bad night kill even if i take at face value that u pocketed him?

I kill people i pocket all the time

I am saying I have better options

[Alisae]

Peta as a kill just seems liked a forced opportunity cost

[Alisae]

Man this seems familiar...

wow it's almost like cakez is transforming his stances to reflect my own!

[Alisae]

maybe it's because what I am doing benefits him?

[Alisae]

so your point is null it can come from both alignments

[Alisae]

yes that pool is likely 3-4 town in it

[Alisae]

And I was supposed to know that end of D1 how?

[Alisae]

I feel like you're implying that I can only be a villager if I am spot on with my reads which is gross cause like it's super easy for the uninformed to get overconfident and then given evidence that they're wrong

[Alisae]

And I was supposed to know that end of D1 how?

You weren't. I just noticed you've been pushing pretty bad lim pools all game and that matches up with your own description of your wolf play. You were even pushing Asri while Ari was actively revealing that Cakez was scum. Just seems weird

okay but ari never gets a guilty on cakez and I don't shoot peta n1

[Alisae]

I'm going to continue to repeat that ari never gets a guilty on cakez and that I don't shoot peta n1 to people who don't care for the argument btw but I don't care because in my eyes this is actually just truth.
to imply I am wolf is to basically say that these things.
Calling me a wolf is basically the same as believing I make these mechanical blunders as a wolf.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae

This one can do Shea.

RedFF is green.

Anyone voting there or considering to vote there are evil.

ur clowning right now mate

leave him alone he's a villager

[Alisae]

He will continue to do so.
I find how they're playing to likely come from someone uninformed. Only someone so closeminded, tunneled, and too prideful to maybe consider that they're wrong and accept new information or evidence plays like this.

[Alisae]

This question to Ari out of nowhere seems bizarre

I'm going to continue to repeat that ari never gets a guilty on cakez and that I don't shoot peta n1 to people who don't care for the argument btw but I don't care because in my eyes this is actually just truth.
to imply I am wolf is to basically say that these things.
Calling me a wolf is basically the same as believing I make these mechanical blunders as a wolf.

[Alisae]

Firebringer surely has more to say than 'interesting'?

Seems not.

He's pushing Fire for one of the things I've pushed him for btw

[Alisae]

This question to Ari out of nowhere seems bizarre

I'm going to continue to repeat that ari never gets a guilty on cakez and that I don't shoot peta n1 to people who don't care for the argument btw but I don't care because in my eyes this is actually just truth.
to imply I am wolf is to basically say that these things.
Calling me a wolf is basically the same as believing I make these mechanical blunders as a wolf.

You can't guilt me into not calling you a wolf anymore

This isn't guilty I am literally spitting faxs

[Alisae]

This one reads your tone Alisae.

It's horrible.

This one feels you tried to save Cakez. Nothing changes that. Still, knowing how these things play out, this one will end up voting Shea probably. The kingdom is afraid of Alisae.

your read on me refuses to take into consideration any of my d1 interactions with the player.
You are so tunneled that you only see what happened d2 and refuse to see anything else.
Cakez d1 adjusted his read on my slot as I was posting less to be in his poe and he was pushing junk. I push him on said junk and he throws a fit.

[Alisae]

Firebringer surely has more to say than 'interesting'?

Seems not.

He's pushing Fire for one of the things I've pushed him for btw

u haven't pushed me this game.

that's awkwardly phrased, hold on I'll go get the posts

[Alisae]

Agree.

That’s all you have to say?

Fire his response to this is something that I pushed him for because on d2 i interpreted that as me thinking he just doesn't care.
now he's pushing you for something similar to what I pushed him for

[Alisae]

I think it's town only because he is so stiff with his stances i don't really know how to explain it but I don't feel like wolf play their reads the way asri has. much more likely to come from a villager

[Alisae]

Asri by play seem extremely stubborn and stiff which is why I think it's likely villagery from them.
Once Shea flips they're probably just going to tunnel me for the rest of the game because they think that I shoot Peta n1 and I let Cakez get guiltied because apparently they think if I'm a wolf I'm a moron

[Alisae]

They also apparently think that I send shea to do the kill over just doing it myself as I understand that if I'm a wolf I am probably on a clock

[Alisae]

Like actually I think it's insane for anyone that ACTUALLY knows me to think I am a wolf in this game.
Actual insanity.

[Alisae]

Cakez flips makes me obvtown lmfao

Nahhh lol, but I do think ya'll had a little mafia theatre to make it seem this way. This was always going to be your snap defense, just as planned

I don't do theater this way

[Alisae]

Like actually I think it's insane for anyone that ACTUALLY knows me to think I am a wolf in this game.
Actual insanity.

if ur scum im gonna hate u post game for making this post

I'm not so ig you're not hating me today bby!

[Alisae]

YES PLEASE KILL ME

[Alisae]

PLEASE KILL THE PERSON YOU NEED TO KEEP IN YOUR POE AND TRY TO ELIMINATE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Alisae]

Like actually I think it's insane for anyone that ACTUALLY knows me to think I am a wolf in this game.
Actual insanity.

That's the thing though, I don't know you at all. If you are town then this is yet another awful read of mine and that wouldn't surprise me. But my gut tells me I might finally be right here

I'm ok with throwing out bad reads my first game here tbh. I think I'll adapt as I learn people and adjust to the meta. I just hope you don't take it personal at all

you're showing that you're trying so I can't be mad at you even though I may sound like it.

[Alisae]

I also expect other people in this game to be able to vouch for me when I say the things I'm saying because usually when I'm a wolf I'm the person that's moving all of the pieces around on the gameboard.

[Alisae]

so did the collective decide against the massclaim or what

we should still do it

[Alisae]

Asri what do u think of my plan to just hide behind alisae every night
is this a scum gambit im doing

This one looks at Alisae and Shea but in no way trusts you. This one has no comment on your actions or purported actions.

Alisae tried tio save Cakez, then today comes in "I'm confirmed good because I killed Cakez"

Then "Asri villager"

Then "Should still kill it though"

Alisae is evil. Their entire tone, their manipulation of basically everyone, attests to this.

This one has nothing more to say.

[Alisae]

See? No rational response. Just brushing off the truth. Kill Shea, then kill Alisae. This one is done.