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[texcat]

Unofficial vote count cause we might never get an official one:

Cliff(5): Bob 3939, Aaron 3941, Titus 3966, Carca 3976, Hectic 4047
Garmr(2): Cliff 4039, Tex 4079

Not voting(8): Kop, Billy, Rick, Eevee, Hopkirk, Garmr, davesaz, profii

[EeveeLution Army]

Is hectic confirmed too?

[AaronFrost]

I'm not confirmed town and neither is Hectic. Hopkirk keeps insisting Hectic is town but I don't trust it.

[texcat]

Davesaz and Carcalilly are mod-confirmed to be town.
Profii is town because he was Gobble's neighbor.
Billy is town because he claimed VT early on and I believed him.

If Cliff flips town, we then can confirm both Billy and Bob.

Rick has claimed doctor, but he's an actor so I don't put much stock in it.

[AaronFrost]

Is Rick known for fake claiming?

[EeveeLution Army]

Okay. So that leaves. Titus(town cause dave is town)
Aaron(who is being helpful)
And kop(who im still convinced isnt a real person)

[Cliff Booth]

yeah when everyone (bob carc rick and kop) answer whether they received fruit night one or not I will reveal the truth

and I agree that tex is probably scum here

VOTE: texcat

[profii]

Kop
Rick Dalton
Carcalilly
bob


new page, new nag... if you are on this list you need to tell us if you got fruit N1 - ta

[bob3141]

Only night 3

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok Hop, I was going through text's iso and it reminded me about something from D2. Can you explain your progression on me?
You start with a finger of suspicion on me at 433
Then you interact with me over how I perceived the slip from Lilly regarding role pms.
Then you vote me at 833, then at 1043 you are trying to build a wagon on me.
At 1071, you switch your vote to Cliff on what seems like some legitimately scummy behavior, doesn't seem like you adjusted your reads anywhere else though. 1148 you seem to be trying to get a wagon on Cliff to take off. You later clarified that at 1368 you were scumreading me and Elly, but at that time you were voting Cliff.
1401, Cliff goes back into your town pile, but now Elly becomes your vote. You are still scumreading me at this time.
Then you vote tchill at 1698, then to Aaron within 100 posts. Then at 107 hes back on Elly.

Then D2 you kick off voting Aaron when he seems to be getting suspect. Then moves immediately to tchill when there is interest and votes immediately after me when he hadn't yet said he stopped scumreading me at the time.

My VT claim is here at 2508.


Then at 2606 invites Lilly to vote either tchill, me, or Aaron. Then hop cases the 3 of us.
Then at 2613 you found value in testing the VT claim but seem to still have me as your 3rd scumread at the time behind Aaron and tchill.

2905 commits to town Garmr.

Then all of a sudden at 2914 I'm "obvtowning." I think later he clarifies that this was wrt my claim, but he was still scumreading me after the claim. And I dont think I get moved out of this category.

@Hop why did I become town well after my claim when immediately after inwas still scum?

Sorry folks there was alot of notes in there, but I needed it as notes to myself when I was putting this together.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Davesaz and Carcalilly are mod-confirmed to be town.
Profii is town because he was Gobble's neighbor.
Billy is town because he claimed VT early on and I believed him.

If Cliff flips town, we then can confirm both Billy and Bob.

Rick has claimed doctor, but he's an actor so I don't put much stock in it.

Carca is not mod confirmed town, she was the other mason. Dave is mod confirmed town.

[Cliff Booth]

Kop
Rick Dalton
Carcalilly

need to answer whether they received fruit or not on night one

[bob3141]

why do you need answer. After you did say you vended fruit n1 to jjd

[profii]

why do you need answer. After you did say you vended fruit n1 to jjd

Why would you ask that now when we can just finish this off

[bob3141]

well carc can be taken of that lest as he claims ascetic mason and his mason partner died.

So Carc could never have received fruit

So its only kop and rick left in that list of yours

[Cliff Booth]

For how much I've been asked why I wouldn't pursue jjd faster than I did if I had a "guilty" on him I'm not quite sure why we wouldn't let everyone answer first

[Cliff Booth]

Since I've basically exposed the entire reason I'm wanting an answer for this anyway, I should clarify that the person that I actually sent fruit to on night one hasnt answered yet.

[Cliff Booth]

Is kop even in this game still

[Billy Pilgrim]

Man, why did you lie about sending fruit to JJD? That was why I pushed that wagon so hard.

[Cliff Booth]

Kop's ISO is so bad and he's only voted once since day 1 and that was on aaron

[Cliff Booth]

The way he attacked people's votes on me then basically agreed with jjd on how I'm scummy was weird

[Cliff Booth]

Man, why did you lie about sending fruit to JJD? That was why I pushed that wagon so hard.

A few reasons

[profii]

LUV needs to do something about kop tbh

[Garmr]

I forgot kop even exists in this game.

[profii]

Rick, whats your read on Kop?

Strong town PR.

I was wondering if JJD was going to claim that he gave Billy the fruit on N2 and did so because Billy claimed VT, ergo, establishing the existance of a fruit and giving some credence to the simple claim.
However, as Billy rightly points out, JJD totally missed the crumb and it was a homing beacon of a crumb, so that is ruled out.

On the Cliff side of things, he was expecting JJD to say he received a fruit and he did not, I think Cliff gave JJD a lot of leeway for essentially having a guilty, but given that Cliff told us his role was a negative utility, which it isn't really either means he didnt understand the power his role posseses or he was scared of claiming a hard guilty for fear of being killed.

I'm inclined to side with Cliff here but I want to check the VC before I re-vote.

I think it would be the latter part for Cliffs thinking.

Fruit vendor is not a strong role as such but can demonstrate the truth in your role, but the only hold back is the fact that there is a mafia version of it, so it wouldn't necessarily mean he's 100% town confirmed in my eyes.

I was wondering if JJD was going to claim that he gave Billy the fruit on N2 and did so because Billy claimed VT, ergo, establishing the existance of a fruit and giving some credence to the simple claim.
However, as Billy rightly points out, JJD totally missed the crumb and it was a homing beacon of a crumb, so that is ruled out.

On the Cliff side of things, he was expecting JJD to say he received a fruit and he did not, I think Cliff gave JJD a lot of leeway for essentially having a guilty, but given that Cliff told us his role was a negative utility, which it isn't really either means he didnt understand the power his role posseses or he was scared of claiming a hard guilty for fear of being killed.

I'm inclined to side with Cliff here but I want to check the VC before I re-vote.

I think it would be the latter part for Cliffs thinking.

Fruit vendor is not a strong role as such but can demonstrate the truth in your role, but the only hold back is the fact that there is a mafia version of it, so it wouldn't necessarily mean he's 100% town confirmed in my eyes.

do you think JJD might be getting bussed by cliff?

We can't rule it out, but in this situation, it's hard to see considering scum have almost full numbers baring the traitor so they are kind of in a good position, but on the other side of the argument, they could have set this plan up during the night phase to try cement Cliff into a stronger town read for later on in the game when the numbers have dwindled, and left in the unknowns.