Open 333 : Carbon-14 - Game ended

[Xalxe]

This was a quick game to get me on my feet. I'm still tripping, but might be playing games a few more.

Well, you're in mine. Which is awesome.

[kondi2424]

I investigated Cobbler last night

I'm curious as to why; if I had been as suspicious the game might have ended differently.

Oh hey and thank for running this, Otolia!

Just one of those "too towny to be town" things. Plus I was really starting to lose my scumread on DonJosh once he started posting, and you were obvtown.

[Mist7676]

Xalxe that is very hard to read.

If I'm not done by tommrow night I hqve to cancel.

[Otolia]

2nd votecount of Day 3

:
DonJosh (3) - Mist7676, Cobblerfone, saulres
Cobblerfone (1) - DonJosh

As the day evolve, saulres tried to rally the town to his banners interrogating the two suspects. Unfortunately for the town it wasn't enough. The elder appeared for the last time : " So saulres ? What's your decision ? " And the latter answered : " Bring DonJosh before the elders " The job was quick and DonJosh felt, innocent.

DonJosh,

Townie

, has been lynched. The game has reach its end.

The Mafia

composed of

Cobblerfone

and

Xalxe

wins.

Player Setup

:
Cobblerfone,

Mafia Goon

, endgamed.
Xalxe,

Mafia Goon

, lynched Day 2.
Kondi2424,

Town Cop

, killed Night 2.
Mist7676,

Town Seer

, endgamed.
Whiskers,

Townie

, killed Night 1.
DonJosh,

Townie

, lynched Day 3.
saulres,

Townie

, endgamed.

Night Actions

:

• Night 1 :
  Mafia
  kills Whiskers.
  Kondi2424
  and
  Mist7676
  investigate
  Xalxe
  (Positive - Negative).
  
• Night 2 :
  Mafia
  kills Kondi2424.
  Kondi2424
  investigates
  Cobblerfone
  (Positive).

[Otolia]

Now that the game is officially ended, I'm open to any comments or suggestions on my modding. Don't be afraid to criticize anything.

First of all, I'd like to thank you for providing a no-flakers, no-replacement game. Though it was a small game, I never had to prod anyone for inactivity and I'm thankful to you for that. Second of all, you show great respect of each others and I'm glad it was that way.

The setup is quite easy to understand and I shall not speak more on that. Seeing how the game went, I don't think the setup is balanced as it is because of the strategy that the scum used. Basically the 1st day is a guaranteed No Lynch, so all the mafia has to do is to draw out the cop/seer by fakeclaiming the useful PR on D2. If the true PR doesn't come out, then the Mafia wins.; if he does then the scum has to force a mislynch in D3 or (and that should have been the case) D4. The sole method for the town to escape that mechanism is to have the PR initiate a massclaim on D2. I'm gonna propose that we run the next Carbon 14 which 4 townies instead of 3.

I don't want to be judgmental but most of you are bad mafia players. While Whiskers and Xalxe played relatively well during D1, the rest of you were pretty good. But as soon as Xalxe is condemmed, the game is lost. I knew you couldn't catch Cobblerfone even though he scumclaimed foolishly. There is work to do on that. Remember that the game is logical (it's an open) so a 7p with 16 pages is pretty short. Asking questions, and taking more time to discuss things in D1/D2 should provide more information for the town to scrutinize on D3/D4. The investigation were good as were the kills so that's good. DonJosh and saulres needs to feel the heat and play a little bit more aggressively and to their conviction, while Mist7676 should avoid using her age as an argument against her. Yes you are a bad mafia player but it doesn't mean you have to discharge all your responsabilities on someone else shoulder. Take your load and improve your game. Cobblerfone had a quiet game and so did Kondi though he should have spotted the scumtell.

So Great Game everyone, thanks for playing and see your soon

[Xalxe]

I don't think saulres is bad!

[saulres]

You're just saying that because I let you win.

I thought I played pretty aggressively, but there's room for more I know. The thing is I didn't have a conviction, which is why I kept wanting to delay things.

But as only my 2nd completed game ever, I did learn some things about how to play as VT which I hope I can bring into other games. Specific constructive criticism is certainly more than welcome.

[saulres]

I knew you couldn't catch Cobblerfone even though he scumclaimed foolishly.

Could you elaborate on how that's a scumclaim? For those of us who are new and just see it as though it could have gone either way (honest townie or bussing scum)?

[Whiskers]

I don't want to be judgmental but most of you are bad mafia players. While Whiskers and Xalxe played relatively well during D1, the rest of you were pretty good.

Outright contradicting yourself?

Vote: Otolia

[Cobblerfone]

I knew you couldn't catch Cobblerfone even though he scumclaimed foolishly.

Yeah, how's that a scumclaim? Kondi hadn't claimed cop yet. yeah, it's pretty artificially worded, but it doesn't use any information that only I as mafia could know.

[Cobblerfone]

Oh. I see. From my point of view as town, Xalxe could've been the cop and the seer could've counterclaimed Kondi.

How observent of you, mod.

[Cobblerfone]

Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/9L6meutai8d

[saulres]

Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/9L6meutai8d

BWAH-HA-HA-HA!

[Otolia]

Oh. I see. From my point of view as town, Xalxe could've been the cop and the seer could've counterclaimed Kondi.

How observent of you, mod.

Furthermore, when Kondi stated that he had a result on Xalxe, he didn't claim his role. So from a townie PoV you cannot say : " the cop can counterclaim " because at that point you don't know if the evil is mafia or not.

No criticisms for me ?

PS : Don't get worked up on 'you are bad', it's mostly a nice and jovial appreciation of your game. The average experienced (6 months or more) mafia player on MS is better than you. It doesn't mean you are a VI and should be banned from playing.

[Xalxe]

Otolia, the game was well run. I didn't see any problems from a mod perspective.

[saulres]

So from a townie PoV you cannot say : " the cop can counterclaim " because at that point you don't know if the evil is mafia or not.

Argh! I noticed that right away but had assumed that Cobbler was just going along with Xalxe's cop claim, figuring the scum wouldn't claim an incorrect role. Damn.

You ran a fine game, Otolia. I didn't see any problems.

[Whiskers]

I'm confused, though. You called out Xalxe and me, specifically, and said we played relatively well, and that all of us played well, but that we were bad players. Most of us.

Who are you saying is a bad player?
Xalxe and I played well relative to what?
Did we play well for bad players? Or did we just play well? If the latter, why are you calling us bad?

[Otolia]

I characterize the play of the town as bad. D1 ended without too much talked about (I know that you had no topic to discuss but collecting infos on D1 is very important) and D2/D3 weren't much better. All in all the game was played too fast and it is what makes the town bad. Xalxe and Whiskers are exceptions because their influence over the game was limited to dying N1 and fakeclaiming D2.

To summarize, you all played well on a personal level but the level of the game was low (above a Newbie but below a small Normal) and that comes from the general level of the players. I use the word bad because I don't know a word that could be more accurate in english (that's not my mother tongue )

[Whiskers]

"Town played too fast" is probably an appropriate word. I had the same feeling too.

Hey, Just wanted to ask DonJosh and Xalxe, why did you NK me Night 1? Was my softclaim really that convincing?

[Xalxe]

Meh, kinda, but you were also a driving force.

Also, DonJosh STILL isn't scum BTW.

[Whiskers]

Wait, what?
Oh.. O--
GOD DAMN IT ALL.

[Cobblerfone]

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ahem.

So, did you guys have a dead thread?

[Otolia]

No Dead QT for a small game, that's rather pointless since it is generally over in less than 2 months.

[kondi2424]

I find it awesome that I only voted Xalxe the whole game. Guess you knew I answered your RQS right, huh Cobbler?

[Hoopla]