Open 531: Masons and Mafia [GAME OVER!]

[kuribo]

at page 5, Pahlok feels scummy, but I don't like the wagon on him


and Wake's scumdar is fucking broken as he appeals to 4 people to help him lynch Pahlok--- two of those four people are mafia, and Flammus jumped on the wagon without hesitation

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page 6

what the fuck, wake claims mason and accidentally "outs" two mafioso as partners?

and his logic is just bizarre, this tunnel is even worse

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By page 8, the RAGEPATHY is activating in my brain, and I am prepared to discern Pahlok's alignment based on his rage. the spirits have spoken to me and enlightened me to the true nature of his anger. tapping into the ghosts of fury, our visceral hate that has been passed down from our ancestors, I'm pretty sure Pahlok is town.


btw, pahlok, breadcrumbs don't mean crap when the only claimable option besides mafia goon is "guy whose alignment is known to three others"
i mean, under this setup, everyone would be claiming VT

[kuribo]

man, i am really impressed with YKV's level of mason-distancing toward Wake, that shit was brilliant

at the end of day 1, Sakura probably sent in the kill on Wake, considering he was active in the thread when Wake got killed. Sakura's dead now though so HAHA YOU'RE DEAD SUCK IT DEAD GUY

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Sakura wagon picking up Day 2, I like where this is going

@Pahlok- why did you avoid questioning Sakura and instead go to YKV?

@Darthe- You went onto Flammus instead of Sakura around this time. Did you need to decide who would be better to bus?

I don't necessarily like Pahlok's "ii thought he was town but I voted him anyway"



like, here's my problem with Pahlok, he's done some scummy things in this game, but for some reason my gut just keeps telling me he's town

I play by gut, so FUCK YOU BRAIN

[kuribo]

geeez YVK was calling pahlok scum too

Guyett calling pahlok town



Pahlok if you're scum, you're the most obvious scum ever and Occam's Razor dictates that you're scum

OH COME ON NOW, ANOTHER MASON DIES AND YOU'RE BUSSING SAKURA


sorry i don't mean that, i still think you're town

actually, I don't think Guyett would buddy you so closely if you were scumbuddies, but I don't know Guyett like that, so

if Sakura and Pahlok are scum together, then the bussing starts right after Guyett dies

Bob calls Flammus town, the wagon on Darthe feels icky after he obviously doesn't know what the fuck is going on

Flammus jumps on the Darthe wagon, ewwwww, darthe is totally town

Sakura was very very obvious scum at this point

klick says pahlok doesn't make sense as sakura's partner, but he kinda does if you look at the trajectory of his scum read

klick also says he thinks flammus shot in order to frame darthe. that sounds good to me.

qwerty comes up with a bizarre theory that makes me shake my oversized thyroid in irritation

wagon picks up steam on qwerty and LOL WHERE U GO

on the next page, kuribo replaces in and FUCK YEAH THAT GUY IS AWESOME I LOVE THAT GUY

[SleepyKrew]

Wow spoilers jerk

[kuribo]

Okay, so:

* unless Pahlok is the most obvious scum ever, he's town here. I keep seeing some of his stuff as scummy, but I don't see him as scum. Does that make sense? No? I don't care.
* Darthe is town because the wagon on him was fucking disgusting like my feet
* qwerty replaces out once the pressure starts building and the other three scum are dead
* Bob is town because he tried to get me to shoot TCold--- Pahlok was right, that was hilarious, and I now see why he was pissy about my asking to be lynched--- it's not auto-win by any means. (though at the time I was under the impression it was)
* Klick I'm pretty sure has been scum in every single game I've ever played with him in. Which is like, one. Not counting the one where he died before I replaced in. Or it might be only that one. Who remembers shit like that?

In this setup, at 9:1, town should be fucking STOKED, not replacing out once the wagon starts like qwerty.

If I've picked up on any mason tells, fuck you, I'm keeping them to myself.

[kuribo]

Wow spoilers jerk

those arent spoilers, these are spoilers

Spoiler:

Bruce Willis was dead all along
Gweneth Paltrow's head is in the box
Neo is the One
Soylent Green is people
Harry is the last Horcrux
Vader is Luke and Leia's father
Rosebud was a sled
Ed Norton was Tyler Durden
The Crying Game is a dude
Kevin Bacon is Keyser Soze
It was Earth all along and the apes have taken over
The Village is set in the present
The dead body in the middle of the room is Jigsaw
It was all a trap to make Nicolas Cage their sacrifice
Anthony Perkins is his dead mother
All the spartans get killed
Donnie gets killed by a jet engine

[Bicephalous Bob]

Nah I'm pretty sure that spoilers have something to do with automotive aerodynamics and Bruce Willis being dead doesn't.

[SleepyKrew]

Why did Pahlok claim
Pahlok why did you claim when you said you didn't want to claim

[Klick]

* Klick I'm pretty sure has been scum in every single game I've ever played with him in. Which is like, one. Not counting the one where he died before I replaced in. Or it might be only that one. Who remembers shit like that?

We've played more; I'm kondi2424. We played Buffy (sorry for bringing that up), and I'm pretty sure there's more.

[kuribo]

We've played more; I'm kondi2424. We played Buffy (sorry for bringing that up), and I'm pretty sure there's more.

...........


i seriously had no idea you were kondi




congratulations on being one of only three people to ever get me mislynched

[SleepyKrew]

I'm kondi2424

WHAT

[Klick]

I wasn't supporting your lynch. That was MonkeyMan's fault.

PEdit: I could have sworn you knew that, SK...

[kuribo]

I wasn't supporting your lynch. That was MonkeyMan's fault.

PEdit: I could have sworn you knew that, SK...

well, thats why I always just round it off to GreyICE getting me lynched in that game, because he pushed it after I called him scum

also I once dug up your corpse in Weather Mafia II

[kuribo]

oh god Buffy-related PTSD incoming


DAMN YOU MOI

DAMN YOU

[Pahlok]

I know that breadcrumbing doesn't confirm a claim. I crumbed it as soon as I realized shit was going to get stupid with Wake because it confirmed I wasn't changing my mind in the moment. I even made numerous references to the crumb in hopes tha he would see it and realize without alerting scum because I knew he was town. I thought Darthe saw it and voted me, which is why I jumped on him immediately afterwards saying he's either dumb or scum.

I ended up claiming because Wake had me really fired up and I couldn't sleep because he just made me so mad. I was worried he'd try to get me lynched before I could wake up and say anything. I intended to claim at L-1 despite saying I'd wait for death. I just didn't want to say it because then people (particularly scum) would pile on me to force a claim. I rode it out as far as I could, and I was so fed up with the game and Wake at that point that I just didn't even care anymore. If I hadn't claimed, he was going to ride my wagon straight to my grave, and I couldn't guarantee that I could stop it in time, especially if scum made the hammer. I'm more useful late game than lynched on day one. I wanted him to get off of me so I could use my role to trick scum into shooting me, but the more obvious he made it that he was a mason and the harder he rode me, the harder it was for me to do that. Eventually it just didn't even matter anymore.

As far as buddying Sakura, I thought that her, Flammus, and Poppedeye were the other masons because I thought Wake was dumb and ballsy enough to reveal the actual masons and double bluff across the board. After the first flip, I realized he was probably giving his scumreads to his fellow masons.

I thought the Darthe wagon was a little strange too, but I was so sure that BBob was town that I was willing to sheep him on it because it seemed like he had a plan. It got interrupted by an overzealous Flammus, but that's probably the best possible way it could have turned out. I don't think anyone could have seen that coming though.

[kuribo]

i think one of my lines of thinking is that if you were scum, you'd have shot at Wake long before he actually died

You-scum has nothing to gain by having that shitfit continue on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on


you get the idea

[Pahlok]

Second flip I meant. After Flammus flipped.

[SleepyKrew]

Agreed. I was also very confident in my town read on Wake. I only voted him before giving into a claim because I was trying to get him off of me, which didn't work and just made him worse.

You voted him just to get him off of you? I thought you were willing to be lynched?

[Pahlok]

Read above^

[SleepyKrew]

I get the feeling he was just trying to avoid a prod while he catches up, but okay.

Wrong.

.

scum slip

Right.



Okay, done with my initial readthrough which devolved into skimming. Will do ISOs for analysis and whatnot soon.
kuribo, I don't get your autowin stuff. Explain plz?

Also, I don't get why we shouldn't claim at this point?

[kuribo]

kuribo, I don't get your autowin stuff. Explain plz?

I was under the impression from what BB said, that they had already narrowed it down to our three slots before we replaced in. (You, me, Jacob)


in that case, all we'd have to do is lynch downward with those three (starting with me), and it would be a win



however, having actually read the thread, I now know that's not the case at all

[kuribo]

Also, I don't get why we shouldn't claim at this point?

Because only the masons can be killed. if scum targets a VT, the scum commits suicide (and indeed, this has happened three times already)


The scum kill / suicide ends the day, upon which they can simply kill again.

If the masons claim, then the scum just kill them and lay low while the VTs derp all over each other
If the VTs claim then they've made themselves useless by telling the scum that targetting them results in a suicide


therefore, in a mass claim, all of us will be claiming VT anyway if we're smart

[Pahlok]

I mean, if the actual masons claim, that'll slim the pickings for the rest of town plus the information gained by two flips. That'd leave it at 1 scum and five townies if we do it before any potential mislynches, which would be better chances than if we were to mislynch VTs a few times and they got shot later. Plus with two alive right now, they can confirm each other.

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Would my mason partner like to confirm me?

[kuribo]

Would my mason partner like to confirm me?

fine but if we get shot it's on you

[Pahlok]

The point is to get shot. Right now I'm a scummy distraction, and my flip holds a lot of info. Yours not so much, but it's a noble sacrifice. Like I said, it'll make things easier for the remaining 5 VT's.