Thanks Sironigous for modding the game and letting me join! Thank you to all the players for being here to play. Here are some thoughts on the game from my point of view.
The biggest thing the town had working against it while I was here was apathy. I tried to combat that at the start because while it's possible to get through a game like I did it's more fun for everyone if people are more engaged. I apologize for my part in the lack of participation but I really did run into a stretch where I was having very little time to get on at all and when I did, given the activity levels here, this game was a low priority for me.
I would have been better off if I had followed through with the bus of Ezekial right from the start. I played a somewhat suboptimal game when I decided that I'd do everything I could to give him a chance to get some game experience rather than simply go for what would probaly be the easier win (as I knew that both the town powerroles were already gone and I could have looked pretty good nailing scum my first day in.) I don't feel too bad about that but I did spend too much time keeping a partner alive day two and it didn't look great later.
The sneaky IC manipulating the game thing is irritating. I get that whether I'm scum or town these days regardless of how reasonable it is to think that it could be the case. It really doesn't take an IC to be manipluative; I've seen great players who were new to the site that are certainly more dangerous as scum than I'll ever be. Being an IC also doesn't mean that someone's going to be a great player. I've seen plenty of ICs that know the basic rules but aren't particularly good at all. In this case it is true that I was scum as an IC but I would have given pretty much all the same game advice in a normal situation that I did here. Everything I said about being willing to lynch claimed power roles, the times when you should be willing to self hammer (there really aren't many but we did come close to be one of them in day two) and all the rest are things that I believe are true.
@brothernature, if you're still reading this please don't self hammer like that in the future. You're welcome to get irritated at the town but you should still try to do everything you can to find scum even up to your death. If the others don't trust what you're saying then do remember that they don't know your alignment so they have every reason to doubt what you're saying. It's also going to be true that the scum are out there trying to get town lynched so if there are a couple voices that are giving you a particularly hard time that doesn't mean that the town has things wrong.
@AGar, it was good to play with you in this game. Unfortunately the read that I was getting here on you as scum didn't help with my meta for you in the other game; the underlying cause of lack of time was a bigger factor for both games than I took into account for.
@Concerned, I think that you would be well served by adopting the more common game terms here (the names for roles in particular) as there were a couple times when it was an issue which didn't help you. I liked your play on day one more than that in the following days for the most part as it felt like you dropped off some. On the other hand you did seem to do the most vocal picking up on the scum team so I think you've got good instincts.
@Lizzy Tsoi, I don't know if you're still reading this game or not but the biggest thing that I'd change for you is to be a more active participant if you can. It felt like you were holding back some and if your death wasn't convenient for it's confusion on night two there's a decent chance that scum might have tried to use that against you in the future.
@XScorpion, replacing in to a spot like that can be rough but I find that it happens somewhat infrequently. Of the 18 games I've replaced into now I was only in a bad enough spot where my lynch was inevitable once (I'm OK at talking myself out of getting lynched but it was really only that one time that I replaced into a position comparable to yours.) Given the spot you were in it probably would have been useful to spend more time looking at the other players in the game and I really think you should have been willing to consider lynching more than just one player other than yourself even though, in this case, you happened to be right about them being scum.
@DTMaster, first off, if you're ever in a spot like the one you were at in the endgame here and you've got a big multi-part case to present I strongly recommend not leading off with the part of the case that's a null tell. You needed to go after me with the best reasons you had for me being scum that you could muster right off the bat to have a better chance. Your activity levels did leave you open to attacks (though I could push on it too hard given my own disappearing act) and you also had the misfortune here of never having done much with Ezekial which was something I could use against you.
I think that you're probably too permissive about lurking. It's true that town lurk sometimes but in games where they do it makes it easier for the scum to lurk as well. I also think that your stance on lynchign claimed power roles on day one is too lenient. There's actually a discussion that's just started in the Mafia Discussion forum
here that I might recommend you take part in that's more or less on that topic.
@cruelty, I did like your game a fair amount and if you were trying to test me a couple times that would explain why it felt like some of your posts didn't really fit with what I expected from you. I guess that I can just say that if you think someone is more likely to be scum in LyLo when you're town you really should vote for them rather than having any thought of punishing players for whatever reason. The goal here is to win and while I can see it might have been more frustrating to lose to DTMaster than it would be to lose to me you should still probably go with the one you think is scum.
If anyone is curious here's all the scum communication that happened in this game after I entered:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/LLWjfUjgVTY
In any case, this was a really tough game for the town to come back from after day one (and then losing the doc on night one which was just luck on the scum's part.) You almost managed so congratulations. I look forward to seeing you all around in the future!
-Zorblag R`Lyeh
*edit before posting*
@brothernature, that does sound like a stressful combination. Hopefully things have settled down some for you.
