Open 608: Jungle Republic - A jungle is conquered(game over)

Vedith · Post Post #475 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:57 am

I thought IS was town... Obviously.

Wanderer-nl · Post Post #476 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:11 am

In post 448, shaddowez wrote:*cut*

In post 413, Wanderer-nl wrote:VOTE: Vedith

Wanderer
, was this based mainly on 349 and 352?

349: No, this one just adds to it.
352: Not the first part, but the 2nd part is what made me think he's scummy. I had very good reasons for scumreading Savant which Vedith didn't acknowledge. I also feel like he's trying to look like he's playing his towngame, instead of actually playing it.
331 kind of feels like soft-defending. I actually had arguments for Savant being scum and Vedith never questioned me abou that but when I made a silly post where I said Hayato is scum Vedith immediately jumps on that 300 and 301

PEdit:
262: If you were townreading Savant then why say you'd lynch them over no-lynch? And you never voted and didn't agree with the hammer so I don't get this at all.

Vedith · Post Post #477 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:14 am

Wanderer is desperate scum now trying to dig out of the hole?

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

Titus · Post Post #478 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:29 pm

In post 462, Vedith wrote:Cheers ZZZX, hope it gets sorted.

Hello Titus.

So, who voted for AH? FB do the searching for me please!

Which wagon and at what time?

Or are you wanting a VCA analysis?

P.S. I'm totally drunk, so lay it out slowly please.

Titus · Post Post #479 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:34 pm

Wanderer, how many finished games have you done with Vedith?

Firebringer · Post Post #480 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:52 pm

VOTE: Wanderer
I believe that is L-2.

shaddowez · Post Post #481 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:06 pm

I may be missing something, but is there an actual case against Wanderer? I'm willing to entertain it, I'm just not seeing it myself.

In post 466, Firebringer wrote:Me and Mykonian are town.
Wanderer might be his ally who bussed him.

How confident are you that he was bussed? I know that just leaves myself, hayato, and Titus as options if not.

In post 467, Vedith wrote:Shadow or Hayato as second WW then

VS and Wanderer as scum!

So you're just assuming that the other WW wasn't on the wagon, and Titus (Hermit's spot) is in the clear? Could you please explain why, or if I'm missing something fill me in?

shaddowez · Post Post #482 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:10 pm

As for me not being on the Anti wagon, there wasn't really a chance for me to - I wasn't around between the thread unlocking and the hammer.

Firebringer · Post Post #483 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:29 pm

In post 482, shaddowez wrote:As for me not being on the Anti wagon, there wasn't really a chance for me to - I wasn't around between the thread unlocking and the hammer.

Then get on the wanderer wagon?
If you aren't scum then both Hayato and Titus should be scum (if you think Anti wasn't bussed)
Even if she wasn't bussed we could say Wanderer is from another scum team, which is a possibility.
I think more likely he bussed she bussed her teammate.

Titus · Post Post #484 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:41 pm

In post 483, Firebringer wrote:
In post 482, shaddowez wrote:As for me not being on the Anti wagon, there wasn't really a chance for me to - I wasn't around between the thread unlocking and the hammer.

Then get on the wanderer wagon?
If you aren't scum then both Hayato and Titus should be scum (if you think Anti wasn't bussed)
Even if she wasn't bussed we could say Wanderer is from another scum team, which is a possibility.
I think more likely he bussed she bussed her teammate.

I'm a little drunk but this makes no sense.

Anti, by setup design, only has one partner.

Firebringer · Post Post #485 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:58 pm

Well, I am stupid.

Firebringer · Post Post #486 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:58 pm

IGNORE ME!

shaddowez · Post Post #487 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:08 pm

@Mod

- Standard V/LA until Sunday, 9/20

Wanderer-nl · Post Post #488 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:02 pm

In post 479, Titus wrote:Wanderer, how many finished games have you done with Vedith?

I checked and I actually don't have any finished ones. Which means I can't elaborate on part of the reason of my scumread on him.

In post 485, Firebringer wrote:Well, I am stupid.

This is certainly no lie.

DeasVail · Post Post #489 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:13 am

In post 464, Vedith wrote:@DeasVail - You were called scum by AH. Care to explain?

Well

You see

AH called me scum.

(No more tonight I'm afraid. I don't know when I'll next have the time as tomorrow is busy but I'll post more when I can)

Vedith · Post Post #490 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:17 am

Just as I expected, DV!

@Wanderer -
Right, so looking back, yeah Wanderer can't be scum. Can be WW, not sure how much I think of that.
427 - Now I understand this comment. You really think that as scum I would post "Great..." in a sarcastic way to a scum partner being lynched?

I would like to hear your other reasoning, and I would like to hear who you think is the 2nd WW.

Tell me your opinion on NM.

@FB - Feed me on this bussing comment. You did the hammering and you are the type of player to bus.

I'm not liking Wanderer as WW right now.

UNVOTE: Wanderer

Wanderer-nl · Post Post #491 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:17 am

I've actually laid out most of it already, but there's something I didn't add yet. Which is that you seem very self-aware 200, 202 and also 352. It feels a little over the top.
304 and 306 feel scum-motivated and when they happened, Savant hadn't flipped yet and I thought Vedith could be a ww trying to find out anything to take into account when choosing his NK. Currently I think he's more likely to be a goon because he didn't want to vote Savant but that doesn't exclude him from being a ww. His interactions with Anti felt SvS to me. Maybe opposing, maybe not.
So there it is, I'd like you to respond also to my 476, some unanswered questions there.

Firebringer · Post Post #492 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:37 pm

@Vedith Why are you getting off this train?
IT IS THE ONE TRUE TRAIN!

Wanderer-nl · Post Post #493 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:12 am

@mod: Can you please update the final vc of yesterday where Anti was lynched? Thanks.

ZZZX · Post Post #494 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:15 am

With 8 alive its 5 to lynch

Alive:
DeasVail: (L-5)
Titus: (L-5)
shaddowez: (L-5)
hayatoBL: (L-5)
Not Mafia: (L-5)
Vedith: (L-5)
Wanderer-nl: NotMafia,Vedith,Firebringer(L-2)
Firebringer: (L-5)

Deadline (expired on 2015-10-01 16:19:52)

And yes. I will re-do it.( tomorrow with the next vc)

Wanderer-nl · Post Post #495 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:20 am

In post 490, Vedith wrote:Just as I expected, DV!

@Wanderer -
Right, so looking back, yeah Wanderer can't be scum. Can be WW, not sure how much I think of that.
427 - Now I understand this comment. You really think that as scum I would post "Great..." in a sarcastic way to a scum partner being lynched?

I would like to hear your other reasoning, and I would like to hear who you think is the 2nd WW.

Tell me your opinion on NM.

@FB - Feed me on this bussing comment. You did the hammering and you are the type of player to bus.

I'm not liking Wanderer as WW right now.

UNVOTE: Wanderer

I realize I haven't quite responded to your questions here..
About your 'Great...'-remark: Well you've been holding a townread for quite a while so you were just keeping it up. What were you townreading Savant for anyway?
My other reasoning is spread over 2 other posts I made, the 2nd one has a link the the 1st.

I'm gonna wait for the mod to post the last vc of yesterday and then I'll look into that but I'm thinking the 2nd ww wasn't on Anti's wagon. Imo it went fast enough for his buddy to just ignore it.

NM I really don't know. It bugs me he won't respond decently to my question of what was scum about me and now he's just voting for me again naked. He's null because there's nothing for me to read but votes. I'm pretty sure he's not a ww for pushing Anti's lynch yesterday.

I've been down with a nasty cold last week and it's still bothering me. Besides that this weekend I'll be volunteering at a music festival in my home town so my posting will not improve until maybe tomorrownight (I'm probably drunk then, though) or Monday. I'll be around to respond to current stuff but I'll be reading back on Monday and look into who could be the remaining ww and mafia then.

Titus · Post Post #496 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:48 am

Vedith seems awfully concerned about lynching WW only.

VOTE: Vedith

I am thinking Wanderer and Vedith as mafia. WW TBD.

Vedith · Post Post #497 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:51 am

They're onto us Wanderer!

Vedith · Post Post #498 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:52 am

And of course I am concerned about killed the WW, they can kill at night, scum can't...

Titus · Post Post #499 (ISO) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:03 am

Everyone's concerned about the WW. No one who is town should unvote if they think the target could be WW or mafia. Your thought process reads that Wanderer could be/likely is mafia and we shouldn't be concerned with that.