Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[MuttonChopMagic]

lol just quit while you're ahead
you don't understand rhyming and it's irrelevant to the thread

[aronagrundy]

that didn't answer my question

[CommKnight]

Mutton & Sesq 100% town. LOL this game is lit. If you're town look at the Sesq wagon. That's definitely not all town.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Cooperative Sheep Time to pile town votes together onto suspected scum. (Also HM is not off the hook, just not close to the noose at the moment of my scum reads).

[Sesq]

yeah im pretty sure i know who scum is

[aronagrundy]

I agree mutton is town

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until Thursday

[NotTheRealPaul]

UNVOTE:

[Cooperative Sheep]

Hahaha, I've pointed to the exact post Sheep is worried about gut. You don't combat gut with "It's nothing/null/useless" anything like that unless of course the gut is correct and you have nothing to really defend against it with.

1. You did link it - but then I asked you to explain why you think it said what you claimed it said and you ran like a scared schoolboy.
2. I never said that gut was null or useless in that, or any other, post - your move.

Like I could act like a perfect townie in any of my games if I wanted to. Have you ever wondered why I don't?

To protect your bad scum play so you don't need to replicate it when scum?

commknight: town. I can see him putting effort into scumhunting and I can follow his logic. His ISO is cohesive and that's good enough for me d1

How do you follow his logic as based on his attack on me for fearing gut reads?
Because there is no logic there without inventing actions for me.
No?

I don't understand the second sentence.

But gut reads are a big thing to go off day 1, just saying.

The second sentence is pointing out that he needs to make up what I said in order to have his case make sense.
If you disagree - please find where I said/did what he claims I did.
I'll wait.
I've been waiting on him to do it most of the game.

I agree gut reads are a thing. That's kind of the point - Comm is claiming I said they were bad (and got scared of them). I didn't.

[quote="In post 467, MuttonChopMagic"why do you scum read him in one post go
am I going to town case? no[/quote]
1. Scum case = He is making up/misrepping things in order to attack me, but is scared to talk about them/admit what he's doing.
2. Why no town case for a top town read you're attacking me for suspecting?

[Cooperative Sheep]

why do you scum read him in one post go
am I going to town case? no

1. Scum case = He is making up/misrepping things in order to attack me, but is scared to talk about them/admit what he's doing.
2. Why no town case for a top town read you're attacking me for suspecting?

[Hellfire Missile]

Alban sorta died

[Hellfire Missile]

what's ego?
townreading mutton
Lunae i'm not gonna even come close because wagons (voteswitching though)
Creature is probably town, one liners and the whole dying thing may have shifted me

[NJAC]

Was busy yesterday. Going to read..

[MuttonChopMagic]

why do you scum read him in one post go
am I going to town case? no

1. Scum case = He is making up/misrepping things in order to attack me, but is scared to talk about them/admit what he's doing.
2. Why no town case for a top town read you're attacking me for suspecting?

show where he's making and misrepping things
town cases are effort and I'm lazy ya dig

[MuttonChopMagic]

if he becomes the biggest wagon and legit might get roped
but for now he's just a guy and the effort scale is sloped

[CommKnight]

Creature
Hellfire Missile*
Agent Sparkles*
NJAC
aronagrundy
Cooperative Sheep*
LunaeCinere

^ Bet all scum is in this seven. Even taking a random guess you got a near 50% chance of hitting them. XD

[MuttonChopMagic]

njac and creature are still green
to be quite honest fosing them is mean

[CommKnight]

I'm thinking Creature and Linae are green to be honest. But not as sure as the ones I took off the list. But if I'm right on those two, all three scum would be in Hellfire, Agent, NJAC, aron and Coop. Which would be a very good list to lynch from.

[Cooperative Sheep]

why do you scum read him in one post go
am I going to town case? no

1. Scum case = He is making up/misrepping things in order to attack me, but is scared to talk about them/admit what he's doing.
2. Why no town case for a top town read you're attacking me for suspecting?

show where he's making and misrepping things
town cases are effort and I'm lazy ya dig

1. I have shown that a bit in an ongoing conversation with him, but here is the most concise breakdown - viewtopic.php?p=9255516#p9255516

If you see where I "fear gut reads" and "am saying gut reads are bad and shouldn't be used" please let me know.
Heaven knows Comm hasn't managed it yet.

2. I get that - can you sum it up in a sentence or three? Like, he's literally doing nothing but empty attacks, lying, and dodging. if he was town I'd expect him to rub in my face how his claim of what I did is correct - instead he's hardcore avoiding talking about it with me. Why would town do that with someone they claim to believe is scum? Wouldn't that allow him to catch me in a lie? But he's not doing it - even as I *repeatedly* call him out over it.

And even if he thinks I'm scum for other reasons, and thinks my disagreement is relatively meaningless, shouldn't he be willing to at least admit I'm right, and then clarify why he actually thinks I'm scum? But he's not doing that either.

And you think he's town for some reason - and say anyone suspecting him is potential scum. I'd like to hear why so I can figure out your alignment.

[Cooperative Sheep]

Add Cooperative Sheep to the list of people I'd hang today.

The only people who fear gut reads are scum. Because they can look like perfect play and never do anything necessarily "scummy". But still be scum. That is where your gut comes in and says "They're scum". The fact that it's D1 (which you acknowledge in your post) but think people should have a perfect case is VERY telling. Why don't you start by telling us who scum is Sheep. Bring forth some damn good cases too. If you can't, don't continue with your shit.

I'd even lynch Sheep over Lunae now. This game is going to be a breeze catching scum when they act like this.

Here's his original attack against me in full.

He has never shown me fearing gut reads.
He had to be told I'd already presented a case,a nd then just complained that he didn't like it - and when asked why he acted like it didn't exist he got scared and didn't want to debate me anymore.

I feel that's pretty open and shut as a scum case on him - even if you think he "vibes" honest and "sounds sincere" or something, you have to be able to admit he's at least a sloppy town with bad case making skills and no debate ability - and at that point; why is it suspect for people to not town read him?

[Cooperative Sheep]

Also, reading his initial attack post, a straw man appears - he claims I'm demanding people make "perfect" cases when, quite literally, all I'd done is ask Sesq what his case even was.

[Almost50]

VC 1.12

Sesq (4)

: Hellfire Missile, Gamma Emerald, Cooperative Sheep, Agent Sparkles,

Cooperative Sheep (3)

: Creature, MuttonChopMagic, CommKnight,

Creature (2)

: NJAC, Sesq,

Gamma Emerald (1)

: LunaeCinere,

NJAC (1)

: aronagrundy,

Not Voting

(2): alban, NotTheRealPaul,
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-02 18:30:00)

*alban prodded

[Sesq]

the fact that i am the largest wagon, is very dumb.

i have some tricks up my sleeve.

be on your toes.

[alban]

I urge you all to vote for hellfire.

VOTE: hellfire

[alban]

Creature
Hellfire Missile*
Agent Sparkles*
NJAC
aronagrundy
Cooperative Sheep*
LunaeCinere

^ Bet all scum is in this seven. Even taking a random guess you got a near 50% chance of hitting them. XD

Townie