Newbie 1889: Ice Cream (Game Over)

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE:

[CheekyTeeky]

NOONE COUNTERCLAIM THE DOC CLAIM FROM CEEJAY UNTIL TOMORROW PLEASE

[volxen]

unfortunately haylen doesnt seem to be active right now..

im leaving the office now..i trust reundo to be active soon and to be around just in case we choose to hammer ceej, but i'll stick around sometime by phone just in case..i'll be driving and will be rereading this an hour from now (depending on traffic)..

we got a little less than 2 hours before deadline..
sky is here and can hammer haylen so there's that relief..

pedit: huh..noted on the angel replace..wonder what thor thinks of our "twice replace theory" now..

@volxen: i dont know..im so torn..but one of them is getting lynched today..on one hand it's safer to go for haylen for today..
but otoh if ceej's doc claim is true, then we've got mafia RB, so ceej's role will be useless to protect you anyway..assuming ceej's claim is false, great..we got scum..i need to leave now guys, will come back sooner than later, i hope..

Yes, that's true. Ceejay is either the real doctor, in which case both town power roles have now been outed, or he is scum fake claiming as a last ditch effort to not get lynched. If he is the real doctor and they roleblock him, then the only way I could survive the night is if I put the member of the scumteam who tries to kill me in jail. Which is not going to be easy to do...

[Reundo]

mmmmmm..guys..i need guidance..
30 mins left before i leave..
both wagons are at L-1..i cant hammer haylen coz im on that wagon already..
i can still hammer ceej..

if we got a legit JK, only PR available is doctor and tracker..
if ceej is legit doctor, we got mafia RB, so the kill will still go through regardless if he protects volxen..
do we believe this claim..as it's the easiest (from site consensus) for mafia to claim?
note ceej didnt claim VT..

quick..reundo notnova wake up..CT? sky? volxen? thor?

do we believe this claim?
im leaning on NOT believing..
on the off-chance it's true..i will be responsible for hammering our doctor.. -_-"

On one hand, I find it unlikely that both of our lynch targets ended up being PRs -- granted, that's what happened my first game, but that's more an exception than a rule. There isn't really too much risk in keeping them alive for the time being anyhow, as we'd get a counter-claim D2/D3 in most setups except for C2. In any case, I find haylen more scummy than either pr claims, and the fact they haven't even shown up during EOD isn't doing them any favors.

[volxen]

I'm placing intent to hammer Haylen before the deadline[

/b]

[Skygazer]

VOTE: Haylen

[xwing]

Okay.. I think we're safe from no lynch today.. I'm wondering on CT logic re the Haylen push he has right now but don't spill if it's gonna help scum.. I can wait.. Also seems we got enough actives right now to hammer so can I be spared from going online until later to do RL stuff? Am I still needed?

Pedit: Nvm that's the hammer from sky..

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Haylen Just in case.

[CheekyTeeky]

Haylen if you're online what is your alignment?

[CheekyTeeky]

Volxen if he flips red who will you target? It would help if you let us know so we still have a confirmed town if you die. Don't say who you would check on a green flip though.

[volxen]

Volxen if he flips red who will you target? It would help if you let us know so we still have a confirmed town if you die. Don't say who you would check on a green flip though.

Well if Haylen flips red, that would make me more inclined to believe that NotNova is town. I mean, NotNova was previously on my wagon, and after I role claimed, he stated a clear preference for lynching Haylen over Ceejay. If NotNova and Haylen were scum partners, I don't think NotNova would go out of his way to help lynch his scumbuddy (Haylen) when he could simply join the Ceejay wagon and contribute to his mislynch without really taking any heat.

I'm assuming here also that scum would not consider it optimal to bus on day one, since there are only two scum partners in newbie games and busing means you are killing off 50% of your scum team. I don't think this is something that a sensible scum team would take lightly, since busing does not always lead to getting town credit or becoming locktown. So if Haylen is scum, after my role claim I think his partner would be inclined to jump on Ceejay's wagon rather than go out of his/her way to bus his/her scum partner.

In other words, if Haylen flips red I think all of the people that clearly stated that they would prefer to lynch Haylen over Ceejay (after I roleclaimed and it was clear that I would not be lynched) are much less likely to be scum. This includes NotNova, xwing, and Reundo -- all of whom stated a clear preference of lynching Haylen over Ceejay as soon as I role claimed.

So if Haylen flips red, I think it would be logical to look at the people who preferred to lynch Ceejay over Haylen.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok so out of me, sky and Thor? Please pick one.

[volxen]

Volxen if he flips red who will you target? It would help if you let us know so we still have a confirmed town if you die. Don't say who you would check on a green flip though.

Who will I target for my night action? I'm assuming the scum team is definitely going to target me for the nightkill, and roleblock Ceejay (assuming Ceejay is not scum). So I think my only play is to try and predict which member of the scum team is going to try and nightkill me, and jail that person so the kill doesn't go through. It's a long shot, but it's all I can do.

[MarioManiac4]

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[CheekyTeeky]

The point of you choosing one person to use your ability on is so that we're left with a conf town if you die or confirmed scum if you survive. This play only makes sense if Haylen flips red as it leaves only 1 mafia to do the kill. If Haylen flips green just go with your gut.

[volxen]

The point of you choosing one person to use your ability on is so that we're left with a conf town if you die or confirmed scum if you survive. This play only makes sense if Haylen flips red as it leaves only 1 mafia to do the kill. If Haylen flips green just go with your gut.

OK, if Haylen flips red then I would target Thor since he was the only person on Ceejay's wagon who was unwilling to vote for Haylen.

[CheekyTeeky]

Roger that.

[CheekyTeeky]

Glgl everyone.

[volxen]

Yeah in case I don't make it to day 2... good luck town! Let's pull off a win here!

[MarioManiac4]

Votecount 1.10

Haylen (5) - Reundo, xwing, NotNova, ceejayvinoya, Skygazer
ceejayvinoya (2) - Thor665, volxen
NotNova (1) - Haylen

Not Voting (1) - CheekyTeeky

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-09-21 02:47:13).

[MarioManiac4]

Haylen,

Vanilla Townie,

was lynched on Day 1!

Night 1 begins now and ends in (expired on 2018-09-23 02:55:15). Please send in any night actions before then.

[MarioManiac4]

Nobody died on Night 1!

[MarioManiac4]

Votecount 2.0

Not Voting (8)- xwing, NotNova, CheekyTeeky, volxen, Reundo, Skygazer, ceejayvinoya, Thor665

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-09-30 03:35:17).

[CheekyTeeky]

Yay! That's awesome!

Volxen who did you block?

[Thor665]

Thor665

(4) - horrordude0215, Reundo, RCEnigma, xwing
NotNova (1) -

volxen

RCEnigma (1) -

Thor665

xwing (1) - NotNova

Not Voting (2) -

Haylen

, UC Voyager

Ceejay

(4) -

Thor665

, horrordude0215, xwing,

volxen

Thor665 (1) - Reundo
volxen (1) - NotNova

Not Voting (3) -

Haylen

, RCEnigma,

ceejayvinoya

volxen

(4) - NotNova,

ceejayvinoya

, xwing, Reundo
ceejayvinoya (2) -

Thor665

,

volxen

angel7399 (1) - RCEnigma

Not Voting (2) -

Haylen

, Skygazer

Haylen

(5) - Reundo, xwing, NotNova,

ceejayvinoya

, Skygazer
ceejayvinoya (2) -

Thor665

,

volxen

NotNova (1) -

Haylen

Not Voting (1) - CheekyTeeky

The above are for my own use because I like to see pretty colors and because I expect one to change soon

@Cheeky Teeky - pretty sure you asked about the impossible shift that I was claiming happened from Ceejay to Volxen, to answer your question it would be xwing as the swing vote and Ceejay as also suspect within the same concept. If it wasn't you then that's the answer to whoever was acting like Ceejay was the counterwagon to Volxen (which I know included xwing and I think Reundo made that claim also - both are objectively wrong).

I would like to hear the claims of both Power roles for their night target.

I think the claim ordr should be;

Ceejay
*then*
Volxen

If anyone disagrees please let me know why, but considering Ceejay was more likely to be blocked if he was town (and should have objectively the more suspect claim unless you're blind) he should claim result first.

@CT - why didn't you want his claim first, or at all? Just auto ignoring it due to theory block and not even wanting the info?

Also, just as an [IC hat] moment;

I'd like you all to consider how the lynch went down, and whether that played out in a pro or anti town way. Did you get as much time to discuss the claims as you'd like? Did it feel like town was stumbling around and scrambling a bit? Would it, perhaps, have behooved us to cut out a few semi-wasted days in the middle? I recognize that replacements and the extension comprised some of those days - but this is a good point to analyze so you can maybe get an idea of *when* it is good to get the first L-1 and claim of a day (and I will personally suggest it should be done at *least* a week before deadline, though will note many disagree with me...that said, they're wrong ) [/hat]