Open 216 - Generic Reality Television Mafia! Day 2!

[imaginality]

Less Setup breaking, more scum hunting.

Agreed. I wanted to put my suggestion out there early (especially while we were still waiting for people to show up), but today should be about hunting scum rather than just setup discussion.

With that in mind

Unvote
Vote: ksen

for saying he's in favour of hypocop without giving any good reason why.

[ksen]

@ksen: why are you in favour of hypocop?

Because I read the link about it that was posted and it got generally good reviews.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

@ksen: why are you in favour of hypocop?

Because I read the link about it that was posted and it got generally good reviews.

So, what do you think about the arguments in this thread that basically counter that?

FTR, I think it's not such a hot idea in this particular setup.

[ksen]

@ksen: why are you in favour of hypocop?

Because I read the link about it that was posted and it got generally good reviews.

So, what do you think about the arguments in this thread that basically counter that?

FTR, I think it's not such a hot idea in this particular setup.

I think people have laid out some valid concerns with hypocopping in a game where scum have this tailor ability. tbh I didn't even think of the Tailor aspect of the game.

I think if we do it we should follow Imaginality's suggestion.

However, for today it is a bit of a distraction and we ought to concentrate on hunting scum.

[ksen]

- Cops investigation, in my opinion, will play a vital part in scum-hunting. In fact, I think we should consider no-lynch day.

@nopointinactingup - Please explain how no-lynching on Day 1 helps town.

[XScorpion]

Because I read the link about it that was posted and it got generally good reviews.

Unfortunately, at the bottom of the link,

and if a paerson posts that they got a guilty on a person the mafia knows is not scum, that person is not the cop. If a person posts that they got an innocent on a mafia player, that person is not the cop. Hypocop greatly assists the scum's process-of-elimination (and I don't mean by nk's) in determining who the cop is.

I see.


I guess this is just doomed to failure then.

[Chronopie]

^ Adel was talking about no-tailor setups. Tailor makes the idea even more swingy.

[Deer]

Anyways, though, as Chrono said, we should get to this once D2 happens.

Imaginality, was that vote serious? Do you think him saying he's in favor of hypocopping without providing reasoning is scummy? Why?

[chnorek]

well done Imaginality, i like the idea. It does sound very good.

However, for today it is a bit of a distraction and we ought to concentrate on hunting scum.

@nopointinactingup - Please explain how no-lynching on Day 1 helps town.

is this what you calling hunting scum?

[Chronopie]

Unvote

I feel that Chnorek's town.

Vote: Mavsfan

post lurker, post.

[ConfidAnon]

Day 1, Vote Count 2:

2 ksen (Miyu, imaginality)

1 Chnroek (XScorpion)
1 Furcolow (Chnorek)
1 imaginality (Deer)
1 Chronopie (ksen)
1 mavsfan41 (Chronopie)

Not Voting: Shattered Viewpoint, DoItRiley, Furcolow, mavsfan41, nopointinactingup

[ksen]

is this what you calling hunting scum?

Asking questions is how you look for scum, yes?

[ksen]

is this what you calling hunting scum?

Asking questions is how you look for scum, yes?

[ksen]

Whoops, sorry for the double post.

[chnorek]

is this what you calling hunting scum?

Asking questions is how you look for scum, yes?

not when excacly same question has been already asked 1 page ago (post 35). in that case it looks opposite...

[ksen]

is this what you calling hunting scum?

Asking questions is how you look for scum, yes?

not when excacly same question has been already asked 1 page ago (post 35). in that case it looks opposite...

And at this point nopoint has yet to answer. So please explain how pushing someone to answer a question they've not yet answered is scummy.

[ksen]

Because I read the link about it that was posted and it got generally good reviews.

Unfortunately, at the bottom of the link,

and if a paerson posts that they got a guilty on a person the mafia knows is not scum, that person is not the cop. If a person posts that they got an innocent on a mafia player, that person is not the cop. Hypocop greatly assists the scum's process-of-elimination (and I don't mean by nk's) in determining who the cop is.

I see.


I guess this is just doomed to failure then.

Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I only read the first few posts and saw the tone was generally positive.

[chnorek]

is this what you calling hunting scum?

Asking questions is how you look for scum, yes?

not when excacly same question has been already asked 1 page ago (post 35). in that case it looks opposite...

And at this point nopoint has yet to answer. So please explain how pushing someone to answer a question they've not yet answered is scummy.

And at this point nopoint has yet to show up after the question has been asked for the first time. You are not pushing anyone here, you are trying to make yourself look good (pretend scumhunting) after you have been voted but same time you are doing completly nothing to help town.
Your reasoning behind hypocop is also scummy.

unvote; vote: ksen

[XScorpion]

Can we please get some input from all the lurkers?
Please start with at least saying:
1) What you think of hypocop
2) What you think of Imaginality's plan
3) What you think of the case on ksen

[XScorpion]

And for the record, I think the case on ksen is pretty weak. I would expect scum to be more focused the game in general, and from what I can tell, ksen seems to not be paying much attention due to him both missing the end of that article as well as post 35.

[mavsfan41]

Looking at imaginality's plan in PS43, I don't know about this. The scum will have a tough time figuring out who the cops are, but... town will have a tough time figuring out who the cops are too. And if they investigated scum, it may be tough for the town to figure it out. Also, by randomly giving two results to each night, scum may be able to figure out who town is, therefore giving them a process of elimination to target the cops during following nights. Those are my thoughts on the plan, however, there are far less issues with this idea than there are with hypocoping as suggested earlier.

[Chronopie]

Mavs posted.

Unvote

[nopointinactingup]

@nopoint how could no-lynch on D1 benefit town?

I was just thinking, considering the probability of a cop getting lynched and a cop getting NK-ed equal, by having No-Lynch in early game, we can give the cops more chance of survival and thus, more investigation rounds. By that I mean preventing the worst case if scenario in which a cop is lynched. However, the rest depends much on the cop's performance. I've seen this work in real life mafia games, but I haven't experienced it in forum mafia games.

Can we please get some input from all the lurkers?
Please start with at least saying:
1) What you think of hypocop
2) What you think of Imaginality's plan
3) What you think of the case on ksen

Ahh, since I've just gone down with a case of AP syndrome, I haven't been posting. So I'll try to get more active from now.
1> I think it's a good idea and is worth trying out
2> This alternative makes it harder for the mafia to track down the cops, but also makes it harder for the town to know the cops' result. So I'd say it's not much different from hypocoping.
3> I don't think it's even a case yet.

[imaginality]

Was my vote on ksen serious? Yes, it was. Not that I think there's a

strong

case on him (yet), but in the early game, even a weak suspicion is good enough reason to vote.

And for the record, I think the case on ksen is pretty weak. I would expect scum to be more focused the game in general, and from what I can tell, ksen seems to not be paying much attention due to him both missing the end of that article as well as post 35.

I see it somewhat in reverse. Town have motivation to make sure that if we do go with a plan (hypocop, my 'double hypocop' variant, or whatever), we think about it carefully and make sure it's going to work in our favour. Scum don't have that motivation. ksen didn't read the thread carefully, so to me it's a (very) slight scumtell.

I also think chnorek has a point that ksen repeating chnorek's question to nopoint is faux-scumhunting. I'm happy to keep my vote on ksen.

mavsfan41's post (70) was kind of confused, but seems like he's genuinely thinking at least. I don't particularly like how Chronopie unvoted him straight after with his 'Mavs posted' comment. Was your vote on him

purely

just to get him to post

something

? I expected some kind of comment on his post. Also, just an unvote, no comment on anything else or even another lurker pressure vote?


Note: I'll be V/LA from tomorrow to Monday (off to compete in the NZ Rock Paper Scissors Championship ) but might be able to get a post or two in during that time.

[mavsfan41]

Looking back at my post and then at imaginality's post right above this, I realized I wasn't too clear in my post explaining my thoughts on the plan proposed in PS43. To clarify in case people don't understand what I was trying to say...

The plan proposed will be confusing to interpret for the town as well as scum. The plan seems designed to prevent scum from figuring out who the cops are, but at the same time, the town will also have trouble figuring out who the cops are. Also, the scum may be able to figure out who the town is if on of the guilty/cleared players happens to be them. If the scum can piece together who the VT's are, then they can figure out who the cops are by process of elimination.

Someone has previously suggested a no lynch because it will give the cops more chances to investigate people. I will be okay with a no lynch if the deadline gets close and we don't have confidence in the proposed scum targets. The worst thing for the town is a lynch of one of the cops. That would be a huge blow and must be avoided.

Also, I saw no threat from Chronopie when he voted me. Seeing as there is no real cases on anyone yet (with maybe the case against Ksen that may be materializing) I will put an OMGUS vote on Chronopie for taking his vote off me and not putting it onto another lurker.

Vote:Chronopie

That vote will probably be taken off on my next post so no need to worry.