I'm sure there have been games where I've played with millers, as I've played in a large number of games, but I don't recall any specific conversations about miller strategy.Diacria wrote:My guess of why Sens asked replacement is because of Star.
Were there any games you've played with D1 miller claims or have discussed miller strategy and stuff before?
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Cow replaces Sensfan, effective now!
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch!I'm a hoot
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Bloody hell. do people not get this thing calledSensFan wrote:To be clear, if Spy really is a Miller, claiming was 100% correct.
He still needs to go. It's just way too convinient a claim for Scum to be able to dodge Cops all game long.ANALYSIS?????
Ignore the damn claim. if the aforementioned player reads as scum, you vote, if they read as town, do not vote.
In other news, Claimed millers are great Vig Fodder
In other news, i like my random vote.
Actually: well: he denied the double position, but it didn't help, as the post was clearly plyig both sides.MonkeyMan576 wrote:So you admit to taking a double position...and you don't seem very interested in backing up your statement.
Vote: SensFan
This has no relation to millers. millers are NOT out right anti-town. this CLEARLY is. although, I advocate this role being Viged if at all possibleSensFan wrote:Let's say you got the role "You are a Cursed Townie. Every Night you are alive, 4 random Town people will die. You win with the Town."
a) Is it correct to claim ASAP?
b) Is it correct for the Town to lynch you ASAP?
Please try to think before posting in the future, and not jump to stupid conclusions.
WHAT?!?!?!animorpherv1 wrote:I'm going to interject into MM/Sens's convoersation to say. PGO should claim, but they don't need to get lynched right away.
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You don't vote for suspicious people?MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I thought he was suspicious, not necessarily scum, as I said in the post.Diacria wrote:
Why FoS, No vote.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Care for a reason?
This.
Your F***ing Kidding me..... Has, I feel sorry for you.dramonic wrote:SensFan has requested replacement! First on the list for coming in is... Hasdgfas! PMing him now!
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Why do you care about what other people think?MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Sure, but if I voted for everyone I thought was suspicious I'd probably be accused of wagon hopping. Thus, FOS can be used tactically for a variety of good reasons.Diacria wrote:You don't vote for suspicious people?
And I can't see the difference in situation between where you FOSed Spy and VOTED Sens. Not to mention that was your first post (I think) in the game.Fos Diacria
No. this is not right. and if it is, I'd be VERY ashamed of Sens.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I don't see any rule where your first post has to be a vote rather than an FOS. Spy didn't rise to the level of a vote imho and Sens did(him asking for a replacement only reaffirms my suspicions).
Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.ortolan wrote:SpyreX is very likely town, so is SensFan, I know he takes silly policy positions like that as town.
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Niv never self-voted.Vote: Papa Zito, for his attempts at mass confusion.
Why hasn't anyone said, "you are welcomed," yet? Have some courtesy, people.Netopalis wrote:Wow. Gee, thanks, guys...
And...superheroes? With the exclusion of, say, Superman and the likes, of course.kunkstar7 wrote:Vote: The Mask.
Only scum need masks.
This...is not even remotely close to the role of miller. Very different situations.SensFan wrote:"You are a Cursed Townie. Every Night you are alive, 4 random Town people will die. You win with the Town."
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Well...for whoever is was that asked if I would reveal my main username (no point in wearing a mask, yeah?), here are some fun facts about me:
-I was once mislynched in a game over distrust of my PGO claim.
-I once had the role of Batman. As you should know, he is a superherowitha mask.
-I'm facebook friends with the mod.
-I'm the type that prefers tracking millers > lynching them. Although, I would not make a fuss if they were nightkilled.
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You're right, he probably doesn't have a different policy as scum. Nevertheless I've seen him do something I know he has a propensity to do as town. If you assume people in this game have a roughly 75% chance of being town right off the bat, and you see a player do something that's not explicitly scummy and is leaning town, then it seems a fair conclusion that they are still "probably" town.Niv wrote:Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.-
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See, espousing miller lynches as policy isn't necessarily an inherently bad thing. However, this may be the best case of apples != b52 bombers I've ever seen.Let's say you got the role "You are a Cursed Townie. Every Night you are alive, 4 random Town people will die. You win with the Town."
a) Is it correct to claim ASAP?
b) Is it correct for the Town to lynch you ASAP?
Please try to think before posting in the future, and not jump to stupid conclusions.
It is, in fact, so ridiculous that I'm willing to call this townish. *shock*
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That said this is the first time I've been blessed with a miller role that I knew about at the start of the game - and I would prefer to be the unsure-vig target versus a lynch because its too easy to smokescreen in.
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Oh. Hi then, PZ.Papa Zito wrote:
Well there goes my policy lynch vote.dramonic wrote:SensFan has requested replacement! First on the list for coming in is... Hasdgfas! PMing him now!
vote: Pom
I'm going to have to get you lynched eventually anyway.
Also, do you have some sort of doublevote, or is the votecount just messed up?
Papa Zito wrote:This game needs moar votecount!
dramonic wrote:Votecount 1: Relax Papa!
The Mask (3): kunkstar, Ani, manho
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ZazieR (2): Cuttlefish, Ortolan
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Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito
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Ortolan (1): Zang
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ortolan wrote:
You're right, he probably doesn't have a different policy as scum. Nevertheless I've seen him do something I know he has a propensity to do as town. If you assume people in this game have a roughly 75% chance of being town right off the bat, and you see a player do something that's not explicitly scummy and is leaning town, then it seems a fair conclusion that they are still "probably" town.Niv wrote:Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.UnVote Cow, Vote ortolanIt's never too late to dig yourself out of a hole with the truth, unless you've been investigated as scum. I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened yet. So get to work helping us track down your fellow dirtbags! ~ MBL-
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ortolan wrote:
You're right, he probably doesn't have a different policy as scum. Nevertheless I've seen him do something I know he has a propensity to do as town. If you assume people in this game have a roughly 75% chance of being town right off the bat, and you see a player do something that's not explicitly scummy and is leaning town, then it seems a fair conclusion that they are still "probably" town.Niv wrote:Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.UnVote Cow, Vote ortolanIt's never too late to dig yourself out of a hole with the truth, unless you've been investigated as scum. I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened yet. So get to work helping us track down your fellow dirtbags! ~ MBL-
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hello all, I will be reading today. Expect a post with some analysis at some point tonight, when I will get to anything anyone asked me after I replaced in.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Ohohohoho, I'm back with my whip and black fluffy handcuffs >:]
Before I start:
Good times XDmanho wrote:I know that someone, Kublai Khan, has claimed miller as scum and survived through endgame and win.
(Psst, he won with some help from me )
So, on to the second part:
Monkey is scum. The whole thingy of him FoSing Spy, then discrediting Sens and then going the 'I do not want to come across as scummy' is enough for me.
Monkey, please state how the claim from Spy makes him look suspicious.
Orto needs to explain how serious those FoSes were.
As for your question:
-I'd have used my black fluffy handcuffs on Ani or RisingPhoenix (You played in The Ocarina of Time mafia from Tarhalindur, right?) if I had a kill as town.
-I'd have used my whip against you, Spy or Papa Z, depending if one of the three isn't scum with me had I been scum.
Question: Why did you ask?
Do. Elaborate.Maskie wrote:I like how ortolan is thinking, so far. It's just...such a shame that he is actually scum trying to look town.Ignore the ''R''-
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We don't lynch SpyreX today.Show"You're a silly Pom. Silly silly girl." -Fate
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What I also find interesting/noteworthy is how 3 players voted for Spyrex, yet only 2 of those votes are being considered.
Zazie, when will you turn on your hyper-gauging mode and begin the Q&A session? I thought you loved to be on the prowl.
re:ortolan: I am unfavoring to those who try to clear others (be it their scumbuddies, or buddying up in general) off of miniscule instances such as Sens' policies. If anything, that whole situation could have served as nothing other than a note, or reminder, in the event Sens' and his replacement do anything further to help them appear as a likely pro-town slot.
Most could hold a personal view that ort' would not step in for his pal so early in the game. However, with us having a night start, it's common for scum (rather, I myself have done this as scum) to subtly give others a reason to speculate on whether they have guaranteed information (a.k.a. night results). This POV is further supported with ort's opening vote over you, Zaz', accompanied by his question of who you would kill N0.
There may be bonafide town-motivation behind it, or someone of any alignment could feign being an investigator. But, what I'm thinking here is that mafia-ort' is setting himself up to look like a role with a night action that has evidence suggesting Zaz' is probscum, which sneaks upon the rest of us an influence to believe that ort' is trustsworthy for a hefty duration of the game's beginnings. When a mind believes something so long, it's hard to shake off later.
Now, anyone curious as to why I am not voting ort' for this theory: well, ort' needs to establish connections to the rest of his team mates so we know who to look into afterwards. That, and, uh...also because I could be wrong.
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