New York 146 Zach's Insane Mafia World (OVER)

[jasonT1981]

WOW shit, sorry. I didn't have this game bookmarked. Anyway, just checked my messages, got lost with all the PMs back and forth in opening the game.

I watched Muffin, thinking I would catch RedFF... guess who I saw instead?

VOTE: DeasVail

Remember DV not wanting to be investigated before the crash?

All makes sense right now.

[havingfitz]

What do you mean by "trying to catch redFF"? And oh by the way...WHO did you see visit you N1 in addition to Alice?! And while you're at it ...can you remind me who you saw N2 as well?

[Ghostlin]

HF: Doesn't matter. He's set up a 1v1 between him and DV. So, if he's telling the truth, DV is scum. If he's lying, we still hang him tomorrow. Simple.

Unvote.

Vote: DV

[redFF]

fine

vote: dv

[DeasVail]

OH NO YOU DIDN'T

Vote: Jason

Why are people voting with him?

[DeasVail]

MoI: I'm town, so... nah.

I will explain though. It basically confirms to me that Jason is scum (well before this latest thing).

I have other thoughts which I want to share tomorrow (although they're probably nothing special). What I don't get is why people are siding with obvscum Jason against me...

Why would I express a problem with being tracked if I was going to undertake the kill?

I really don't want to be the mislynch here, so I ask that you lynch Jason.

[Ankamius]

Kamrun, what do you think about redFF SK?

I wouldn't say it's unlikely, if we have a serial killer. RedFF can wait until this current Jason/Deas thing is resolved.

@Jason

: Claim who your second result was N1 or N2 in your next post or I'm going to assume that you're confirmed scum. We've been asking for 2 in game days and you've constantly dodged the question.

That said, I don't like DeasVail's response either.

-Ank

[Kamrun]

<- Derp

Kamrun, what do you think about redFF SK?

I wouldn't say it's unlikely, if we have a serial killer. RedFF can wait until this current Jason/Deas thing is resolved.

@Jason

: Claim who your second result was N1 or N2 in your next post or I'm going to assume that you're confirmed scum. We've been asking for 2 in game days and you've constantly dodged the question.

That said, I don't like DeasVail's response either.

-Ank

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI: I'm town, so... nah.

What a scintillating response. Yeah, not just taking your word for it.

I will explain though. It basically confirms to me that Jason is scum (well before this latest thing).

I have other thoughts which I want to share tomorrow (although they're probably nothing special). What I don't get is why people are siding with obvscum Jason against me...

Why would I express a problem with being tracked if I was going to undertake the kill?

Why haven’t you actually been posting your ‘reasons’ before this?

Why bother expressing a problem with being tracked at all if you are VT as you claimed?

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@Jason: Claim who your second result was N1 or N2 in your next post or I'm going to assume that you're confirmed scum. We've been asking for 2 in game days and you've constantly dodged the question.

He’s have already done it if he wasn’t scum. Just vote him (if you aren't already ... forget where your vote is currently).

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@MOI...kiss my arse. You find scum your way and I will find scum mine.

See … I don’t think you are ‘finding scum’. I think you are scum. So, no, I’m not going to ignore your illogical and scummy posting. Had Jason not committed to being scum with his end of Day 3 posting I would be pushing hard on you right now.

[DeasVail]

Because tracking me is much worse than tracking someone else.

Why the recent negativity towards me?

[Alicewondering]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3918827]Tell me then – when did you send in your Night action choice? Was it pre or post-Great Crash?
[/quote]
I sent mine in twice, once pre-crash and once post-crash.

lol @ Jason's claim. Was DV the only person to visit Muffin? Who visited you N1 and N2? Stop dodging the question.

[Alicewondering]

WOW shit, sorry. I didn't have this game bookmarked.

ALSO, I just thought of this. Bookmarking would not be an issue if Jason were indeed PR. I received a PM in the morning from Zach saying that Thor had not visited anyone. Jason would have received a similar PM for who visited Muffin. It would be quite understandable of Jason had simply not gotten to the game, but there's no way he missed it because it wasn't bookmarked. I speculate that this is an excuse to cover his late entrance to the day, and I speculate that he knows that he's basically confscum, and simply wants to get DV killed with him. Keep your votes on Jason, guys.

[jon_h61]

I'm in a game that's added 8 pages in 2 days, so been pretty busy. It seems the general consensus is to lynch either DV or Jason. If anyone cares to, would you help me (who wasn't here pre Great-Crash) understand the cases on these two so I can make a better informed vote?? It'd be much appreciated.

[Kamrun]

@Jason: Claim who your second result was N1 or N2 in your next post or I'm going to assume that you're confirmed scum. We've been asking for 2 in game days and you've constantly dodged the question.

He’s have already done it if he wasn’t scum. Just vote him (if you aren't already ... forget where your vote is currently).

My vote's on Jason. I have similar thoughts, although I might be convinced to change my vote if Jason explains his second result N1 and N2, why he has yet to reveal them before now, and why he felt it necessary to dodge the question instead multiple times.

@Jon: Jason claimed Watcher D1 when he was the biggest wagon. He claimed N1 and N2 that Alice and a mystery person (the same person both nights) visited him, yet he won't say who even though it would be a massive help since the massclaim we had D3 had shown that only Alice had targetted him both nights. Now that N3 has passed, he targetted the dead guy and said that Deasvail was the only one that targetted him.

I don't have a townread on Deasvail, actually he's one of my scumreads, but Jason's play throughout the game hasn't done him any favors. Ironically, the reason he had a big wagon on him in the first place was because of how much effort he spent going after Deasvail in the first few pages.

[Alicewondering]

Hi Jon,

There was a lot of anti-Jason sentiment in the past few days. He was rather scummy from D1--I vaguely recall that he and DV had some conflict and they both believed each other to be scum. Votes started piling up on him, and it became clear that he might become the lynch target of D1, but he claimed Watcher at L-4, so we let him be. I decided to track him that night to see if he were telling the truth about his role, and found that he had visited himself. When he was asked to claim the next day, he claimed that he had visited himself, and two people had visited him. Afraid that he was scum and I would be killed before I had a chance to give town my information, I claimed tracker and confirmed Jason's story, proposing that he was scum for self-watching, among other things. DarthYoshi claimed FBI Agent on that day, as well. So we planned to have Jason watch DY, and for me to track Jason. Jason clearly agreed with this plan, but by morning, we found that he had self-watched. Again. He claimed that I was nervous scum caught by his self-watch, and that the other visitor (who had also viisted him again) must have been a doctor. Anyway, it was on D3 (I believe) that Muffin started a mass claim, yet Jason refused to claim his other visitor. And the only claimed (2-shot) doctor, MOI, did not target Jason any of the nights.

I can't recall the exact case on DV. You might have to ask other people for info on that, but it's mostly being really wishy-washy and not committing to scumreads.

[DarthYoshi]

I'm back and will post substance when I get home from work.

Quickly, to Alice's point above, my case on DV did indeed rely on a lack of commitment and opportunism, but his balking at being tracked raised a lot of eyebrows as well, IIRC.

[jon_h61]

I have Jason at 6 votes if I'm counting right.

@ Jason any reasons I shouldn't hammer you?

[jasonT1981]

nope, i am at 5.

I caught DV making a kill... I am confirmed as a watcher by Alice.

Voting/Hammering me would be uberscummy.

Also no, no second person will be named. I still believe them to be town power role of some sort, and it is someone who claimed VT. With the amount of claimed town roles, it is better YET ANOTHER ONE is not outted, at least in my eyes.

[jasonT1981]

Also, why would I set up a direct one on one, as scum with so many left still in the game? knowing full well if DV flips town I am done for?

that makes no sense, even for scum to do. It basically screws me to lie about it, putting me in a 1 on 1 I can be caught out on with his flip. Towards end of game, yes makes sense.... but right now? If I am lying, I am hung tomorrow. I have nothing to gain from lying about it.

[jasonT1981]

Also, ask yourself this... why was DV so adiment no one investigate him pre-crash? He came right out and said no one investigate me. Makes a lot of sense now. /CaughtScum

[Zachrulez]

2nd vote count of day 4:

JasonT1981 - 5 (DarthYoshi, Alicewondering, MagnaofIllusion, Kamrun, DeasVai)
DeasVail - 3 (JasonT1981, Ghostlin, redFF)
redff - 1 (Jon_h61)

Not Voting: (havingfitz, Snakeplisskenl, Nobody Special)

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Day 4 will end no later than Wednesday, April 4th at 2pm CST.

[jasonT1981]

What do you mean by "trying to catch redFF"?

There was talk of RedFF as a SK early in the game.

[jon_h61]

Between the two DV hits me more as scum, His appeals are mainly to emotion, while Jason tries to make his case on mechanics. My reservation is over the bookmark issue. Since neither is about to be lynched I'll place a vote on most likely scum IMHO.

VOTE: DeasVail

[jon_h61]

@ Mod forgot to unvote RedFF first, sorry

[havingfitz]

Srill ~v/la....acessing from phone. Will read over and vote jason or DV tomorrow.