Mini Normal 2305: Masonry

[clidd]

If I could, I would force a mass elimination of this set: [geraintm/Takutai/Emperor flippyNips/curiouskarmadog] and call a day.

[clidd]

Maybe Takutai is a Flavor Leaf alt and is in fact scum *theory* who knows?

[clidd]

I don't really think of your scumgame as low like that, Tweet haha.

Just had to found a reason quickly to have you as town, without engaging with you.

Now it shouldn't be a problem because you're stepping up.

[clidd]

Update:

Town

Daisy
Klick

Leaning town

Tweet
Greeting
HEM

Nullish - Fine, but there may be scum among them

Roden
Elements
Furtive
Takutai

Nullish - Inactive but does not give scummy vibes, so should be given a chance

Flippy

Nullish - Burn

Gera
Karma

[Morning Tweet]

Or clidd really

1. clidd's focus on inactive players even though he has a wealth of null players that he has yet to figure out. he said he wants to get the inactive players to start moving, but he can multitask. there's a perceptible loss of purpose after the curiouskarmadog wagon died and it felt a bit like difficulty in repositioning. instead I would have liked him to turn that null list into stronger reads.
2. clidd is proactive. he's a frame pusher. i am perceiving passivity and it's giving me bad vibes.
3. clidd is a pointed fella who wants to have the right perspective. but the indecision is also perceptible - I feel as if he doesn't have a genuine perspective to be proud about.
4. clidd is a proud man. he's the type to be flexing his solving muscles into all kinds of potential scum pairings and scum possibilities. i am seeing a weaker version of that in this game. is he saving himself for the next day? does he think he'll survive the next day? you know who survives the next day? scum.

basically, I am disappointed in clidd's performance and I don't feel like I got the value of the concert ticket. i feel scammed. or better yet... scummed. *sunglasses on*

Excellent mason read, Human! Too bad masons manifest like scum

[Morning Tweet]

I don't really think of your scumgame as low like that, Tweet haha.

Just had to found a reason quickly to have you as town, without engaging with you.

Now it shouldn't be a problem because you're stepping up.

LOL that was good

[Morning Tweet]

This is working out well I just don't read you two and you end up in my null/scum area..... that looks genuine ............................. right? Don't masons usually townread each other? Do masons usually ignore each other? OH WELL

I think we're doing a good job of balancing how suspected we are.. and we don't seem very connected .... I think. Our reads on each other are so varied in complexity and conclusions. Theres significant (ish) traction towards us where scum might go "Yeah we can lim them later" but not enough where it's been a problem

Although we havent gone at each other or anything for bonus points i think our reads on each other feel fairly natural, I have a good feeling we'll be hard to find (remember these last words). We havent joined a significant wagon on each other or anything crazy distancing yet so definitely obscuring ourselves in the crowd here

Okay My feelings about the gamestate r terrible anyway. This is really fun though!

[Morning Tweet]

Why do you two think Daisy is town?

(If Ele still thinks so)

[clidd]

Mostly due to playstyle, but we should reread her on D2.

[clidd]

I don't have much experience with mason dynamics, but I think we played well in the sense that none of us will be targeted during the night.

Which means that we will have 3 confirmed towns on D2 (if we decided to reveal) and more agency to solve the game by PoE.

[clidd]

But if for some reason they decided to flip the elimination to me today, I need you to have my back so I don't get to the point of revealing myself today.

[clidd]

Hum..

If HEM is right on Roden, at least it might make me feel good about a town!HEM world.

But if the flip goes town, I do think we have a decent reason to suspect of scum!HEM pulling strings.

Well, let's see. They haven't posted yet.

[clidd]

We are getting Karma after all, wow.

[Elements]

Do neither of you want Roden to go?

[Elements]

I do mostly just so this argument doesn't continue into day 2

[clidd]

Yep, we can make Roden happen today.

[clidd]

I'll get home in two hours, maybe less.

Once home I'm going to vote Roden.

[Elements]

I'm Worried Tweet is gonna get night killed

[clidd]

It's difficult to guess accurately without having knowledge of Roden's alignment.

If Roden is scum, for instance, there is a decent chance of town!HEM being the NK for creating and developing the scum case.

Alternatively, there is also town!Daisy, who even with some suspicion, exudes many towny impressions that would warrant an NK as well.

[clidd]

Not a surprise Roden being town, but it's unusual for both wagons on town taking so long to consolidate (assuming Karma is town).

Makes me wonder if the wagon manoeuvres that have occurred in the last two days had a scum influence.

[clidd]

It's so odd for HEM to be town here tunneling Roden because he ''misread'' how scum!HEM was supposed to be.

[Morning Tweet]

Curious kind of looks like town to me to be honest. Not as towny as Roden was though but stil llooks like town

Takutai still seems like they're town (If they're scum i'm i n hot water)

HEM is still probably town I hate what they've forced today (Granted they left clidd open, a bad guess but maybe kind of believable)

I suspect Emperor he's totally watching the thread enough to post "See! I told you curious would show up" and nothing else other than some bs on Roden

Curious seems like town because thei r reads are certifiably not helpful but they believe them (Curious literally scumreads every player Lol) kind of maybe agree with the Greeting tunnel though?

furtive could be scum could be town

Daisy has too much bravado for the Roden wagon I dont get it. Daisy's "reads if i die" is towny though. If they try to gather suspicion on HEM for the Roden wagon I will find that very suspicious

TBH Greeting might have purposefully avoided the Roden wagon i dont get the "curious walls sus" line of reasoning at a ll





TOWN





Takutai
curiousdog


HEM






Daisy

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geraintm






furtive
Klick

Greeting
Emperor

SCUM





Klick's takes this game are bad when it comes to Roden and me. There's a chance Klick only suspects me because i was suspecting curious nad Klick locked curious town quicker than everyone else though so maybe

Their high townreads on furtive/Daisy make me sweat though

But I agree with Greeting/gera/Emperor being a good pool. Klick had me! and Roden as their top scum picks though. It's odd.

I might change my mind on Klick



Emperor, Greeting, furtive, and Klick are where I'd look. If I ran out of options I'd guess gera as well. I'm not sure who the town in there need more interaction and talking

[clidd]

I agree with your readlist, except for Takutai.

He doesn't strike me as an easy slot to read and although he showed a certain towny *willpower*, I don't think him going back and forward on the elimination target was necessarily pro-town.

If scum!Takutai was aware that both wagons were on town, it is reasonable to imagine there would be a 'stage' for him to demonstrate superficial uncertainty.

I would consider the slot null at best, to be honest.

[clidd]

The solve should be something like 3 scums among these people:

{Takutai/Furtive/Klick/Greeting/Emperor/Gera}

Maybe going back on Klick/Daisy/HEM (making sure we aren't getting tricked and they are town) may kill the game by PoE if we manage to read him correctly.

[clidd]

I also do think we should be all townreading each other on this D2.

It's the best way to crumb we are masons.