Mini Normal 2306: Dead/Spectator PT

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer is probably always scum here, i just couldn’t turn on them.

Firebringer could be scum with Alisae, but I think it makes sense for one to white knight me, so FB voting me then changing made it more likely.

And then the Dunn vote is distancing probably.

Alisae could go either way, but i semi trust Norwegian’s read on it, and I don’t think Alisae and FB are scum together.

It’s Random, Firebringer, Roden or Random, Firebringer, Dunn. Hopefully the latter.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t agree with Bob’s last post.

Might as well just die now because Bob always dies, and Hu Tao/Norwegian end up voting me anyways even if Dunn flipped scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Plus, it’s been like 4 or 5 years since I’ve been misfaded, it generally gives a good reset once I am of the BOP on me, so double jeopardy.

[Flavor Leaf]

The initial self vote was a Strat to get votes off of me, which it did.

Second one was acceptance of it no getting out of a misfade and my alignment needed to be seen early.

[Radical Rat]

The initial self vote was a Strat to get votes off of me, which it did.

Second one was acceptance of it no getting out of a misfade and my alignment needed to be seen early.

I appreciate this explanation because I was sitting there trying to figure out if you were game throwing and what to do about it if you were for a while

[Radical Rat]

For what it's worth, I think there was a reasonable chance of you surviving otherwise, but I can't say that with any real certainty

[Flavor Leaf]

For what it's worth, I think there was a reasonable chance of you surviving otherwise, but I can't say that with any real certainty

I don’t live with Bob dead ever.

Hu Tao and Norwegian couldn’t see it, and it blinded their reads on the rest of the slots.

And with them as the confirmed towns, it just kinda made sense to go me after a while because even if Dunnstral flipped, I’d still probably be next.

And I was stuck in a spot with Firebringer/Roden likely having scum in them, and realized I was being white knighted, and had to keep them on my side.

Like it’s clear one of Alisae and FB were scum, but not both.

I think Alisae was a little rough this game, but i also flip flopped a lot, but i think they should have been able to see me as town if they were town here.

People just want to believe I’m scum tbh, but generally when I’m scum, i don’t get in that type of situation.

Random Nurse is obvious scum, and I think I had great analysis on them on Day 3, that probably won’t be considered. I can read that slot pretty well, I think after it came out who they were.

Dunnstral is someone I’m also very familiar with, and this just isn’t their town game. Their town game they have strong assertive gut reads, and I’ve said this before, but not the presence to push it through based on activity, and here they just had complete basic reads and was following an obvious scum leader.

I believe Random is the scum leader not Firebringer.

FB bodyguard claim was solid, and I generally don’t push FB until I have to, but they’re playing well.

Their white knight of me i think is good if they are scum for sure.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like if I were scum with Norwegian informed of there being 1 cop, it makes zero sense to stop Hu Tao from being faded there. Like I could have just powered through that.

I would have already known Takutai is Vanilla too, which is just a bad misfade from a scumMe pov.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hello FL!, I'll just say, you did the right thing by claiming Miller, but a Miller claim doesnt a town make, it just means you cant be sorted by alignment cops.

I actually don’t agree with this completely, like yes, it can come from scum, but it’s highly unlikely that I, as scum, lock myself into a Miller claim the way I did.

Like I was actively saying things like if i ever change claim, insta fade me, and yet I get BELIEVED? When I change my claim over the standard Miller claim first post what everyone says is proper Miller protocol?

Lol.

I have been trying to follow more town standard protocol, and I’m realizing more and more why I deviated from that in the first place.

My town games have severely been hindered by me going more by the book townie plays (other than catching Enchant recently with a Watcher gambit, but that also shows that when I play outside the book as town it works better.)

[Flavor Leaf]

So that being said with the Miller, it’s completely BOP, which is just always gonna annoy me.

I get it. My scum game’s too strong, but people just BOP instead of actually trying to read me, when it’s always been a strength of mine to become backwards obv town.

When I’m scum, there are legit reasons why I would be objectively scum, I’m just good at arguing against it.

When I’m town, people try to push wackshit reasoning that don’t make sense and try to act like it’s a lolscum move.

I do not make lolscum moves.

I am insanely calculated as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

But yeah, first self vote strategically stopped and stalled my wagon, which was its purpose.

The 2nd one is when I accepted and realized that if I were to live, town has absolutely zero chance to bring it together based on Hu Tao and Norwegian’s, and if Alisae town, Alisae’s inability to read past certain things, so my flip is necessary to open them up.

I hope HOPE Random gets caught. Because I had been pushing that since Day 1, and my reasonings for them being scum Day 3 are incredibly solid, I feel.

I would have rather faded Random, but Dunn was a survival push who I also believed was scum, albeit the case wasn’t as strong.

[Sakura Hana]

I actually don’t agree with this completely, like yes, it can come from scum, but it’s highly unlikely that I, as scum, lock myself into a Miller claim the way I did.

I think that's more of a you thing than a general thing.
I actually think the scum team is probably RN, Dunn, Roden/Fire. If it's not Fire then scum is in a rough spot rn. Haven't been very dedicated to solving after i died tbh, but even i noticed the obvious cop clear from Jason, which surprises me how scum missed it lol.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess it could be a very complicated fake claim from both Norwe and Jason, but if that's the case then wtf is the setup lol

[Sakura Hana]

More replacements?!

[Radical Rat]

Hopefully the last one we need

[Radical Rat]

Welcome bob3141!

[bob3141]

Sorry Flav but self voting players always rub me the wrong way and i find it so hard to hammer if im in impatient mood. But it as you say with norw stuck in tunnel things were going down a path that if you lived scum would of kept you for elo.

Was hoping norw would comes around and take your deal but seeing them not taking it left me a bit defeatist

[bob3141]

im pretty sure its dunn, fire and nurse


roden is def town.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s just a matter of if they see it now.

I think it’s a pretty obvious team, especially if you town read Alisae slot.

[Sakura Hana]

I had gut pings that fire was scum D1, but i didn't wanna pursue it hard coz i hadn't played with fire in a while.

[bob3141]

i wonder roles roden and hu have as they are the last unclaimed town players

[Flavor Leaf]

We needed that Deal With The Devil Contract to go through.

I’m just salty how hard Random Nurse was defended by townies

Had him dead to rights

[Flavor Leaf]

Even today, the distancing is super obv.

Someone gotta look back at my analysis from Day 3 on Random, but they won’t

[sheepsaysmeep]

yeah Titus seems town

[bob3141]

So titus is vt. I wonder what Hu Tao is.