Mini 550: KSFV: Game Over

[Rosso Carne]

Are the Cults automatically anti-Town? I've read in the Wiki that a Cult can be anti-Town or not. And the Vig kill is a pro-Town kill...

im pretty sure if the cult was protown, we wouldnt have a cult cop anyway. lol

Rosso, you are STILL avoiding the question.

BM

not really avoiding as much not really caring.

is there a reason?

[Lloyd]

Rosso, if we don't lynch you today, who would you tear to pieces tonight?

[Battle Mage]

Are the Cults automatically anti-Town? I've read in the Wiki that a Cult can be anti-Town or not. And the Vig kill is a pro-Town kill...

im pretty sure if the cult was protown, we wouldnt have a cult cop anyway. lol

Rosso, you are STILL avoiding the question.

BM

not really avoiding as much not really caring.

is there a reason?

Yes there is. Now answer the damn question.

[Lloyd]

Perhaps we need to start talking about other possible scum. We should have at least one more, probably two... (RC may be one of them, or he may be a SK...)

- I think Rosso Carne is an SK who tore Unity to pieces last night

- I think Battle Mage is Scarecrow scum for pushing Rosso Carne's quick lynch. As for Mr_Gnome_It_All (Battle Mage's predecessor), he mostly lurked yesterday, and the only time he tried contributing, was asking others to decipher Greasy Spot's posts, which Unity agreed with Mr_Gnome_It_All

- I think SensFan is Scarecrow scum for his aggressive behavior toward ryan, for directing Greasy Spot excessively with confusing questions, and asking Greasy Spot to put his life on the line in determining ryan's alignment

Who agrees or disagrees, and what is your analysis?

[SensFan]

Comments in bold.

- I think SensFan is Scarecrow scum for his aggressive behavior toward ryan,

I was very strongly opinioned that there was no Jester, and he was equally sold on us worrying about one.

for directing Greasy Spot excessively with confusing questions

I don't think the questions were confusing at all.

and asking Greasy Spot to put his life on the line in determining ryan's alignment

He was claiming ryan was Guilty, and I wanted to know if that was a hunch or if he was positive about it.

[aioqwe]

@Lloyd:
I think Lloyd is jumping to conclusions pretty quickly.
I don't think Unity agreeing with Gnome necessarily points to him being scum. As of now, I think BM is pro-town. SensFan I'm less sure of, however I think I would still categorize him as town.

@BM: Cult would recruit the cult cop and make him give false results. (i.e. getting negative on cult members and near end game pop a positive on a non-member and get a quick lynch and wal-lah!

ViQ hasn't posted in a while has he?

[Battle Mage]

Perhaps we need to start talking about other possible scum. We should have at least one more, probably two... (RC may be one of them, or he may be a SK...)

- I think Rosso Carne is an SK who tore Unity to pieces last night

- I think Battle Mage is Scarecrow scum for pushing Rosso Carne's quick lynch. As for Mr_Gnome_It_All (Battle Mage's predecessor), he mostly lurked yesterday, and the only time he tried contributing, was asking others to decipher Greasy Spot's posts, which Unity agreed with Mr_Gnome_It_All

Im not sure what you are getting at here. How does me pushing for a scum lynch make me scum? :$

BM

[Joubert]

Im not sure what you are getting at here. How does me pushing for a scum lynch make me scum?

It's pretty much begging the question, there, BM...

[pete d]

Vote Count

Rosso Carne (4): vIQleS, Battle Mage, SensFan, thinktank
Battle Mage (1): Lloyd
SensFan (1): Rosso Carne
thinktank (1): aioqwe

Not Voting (1): thinktank

With 8 alive, it will take 5 to lynch

[vIQleS]

ViQ hasn't posted in a while has he?

No - no I haven't. I've been both sick and really busy...

I'll try and post during the weekend sometime...

I was going to suggest that we hold off on the RC lynch for a while, but since then we've had some good discusion so I'd be happy if someone hammered this now. otherwise i'll post some more tomorrow...

[Rosso Carne]

Are the Cults automatically anti-Town? I've read in the Wiki that a Cult can be anti-Town or not. And the Vig kill is a pro-Town kill...

im pretty sure if the cult was protown, we wouldnt have a cult cop anyway. lol

Rosso, you are STILL avoiding the question.

BM

not really avoiding as much not really caring.

is there a reason?

Yes there is. Now answer the damn question.

then what is it?

[aioqwe]

What is your mafia experience outside of MS?
that includes real life, IRC, scumchat etc.

[Lloyd]

not really caring.

Rosso, if we don't lynch you today, who would you tear to pieces tonight?

Rosso Carne,

I am happy with the discussion today to determine who to kick out next so I'm ready to hammer you.

Care to answer my question above? Or, you don't care at this point?

Any last words before I drop the hammer?

[aioqwe]

That's a loaded question... Really loaded... Just saying. I think he's scum enough, but that's a really loaded question.

[Battle Mage]

thanks Aioqwe.
Itd be good if he answers the question before he hangs. so, temp

Unvote

[Rosso Carne]

lloyd, i dont tear people.

bm, i want your reasoning.

[aioqwe]

I fail to see why you wouldn't want to answer...

[Battle Mage]

lloyd, i dont tear people.

bm, i want your reasoning.

tough shit. i asked you a question. i want an answer. im hardly going to explain why im asking so you can give me the answer im looking for to vote for someone else now, am i?

You have 12 hours, else i lynch you anyway.

BM

[Lloyd]

Rosso Carne is gone for a week (based on info from other games), so I doubt he'll be responding in the next 12 hours.

you can give me the answer im looking for to vote for someone else

You can't possibly be serious about "you can give me the answer im looking for", can you?

Earlier, you mentioned that if Rosso Carne isn't lynched today, you would ask for a replacement. Now, you're considering voting for someone else if Rosso gives you the answer you are looking for?

What answer could Rosso possibly give, for you to vote for someone else?

If you are serious about "the answer im looking for"...The only times I recall seeing players fish for info from others, is when groups (i.e. mafia or cult) don't know who each other are.

Some fishing examples are:
- Worst Role Evar - Godfather fishing to find his goon
- Rocks Papers Scissors (multi-mafia game) - Mafia fishing to find each other
- Resident Evil 4 - Cult members fishing to find each other

After Rosso is lynched...If he's not the SK, then this game could be over if we have 3 more night-kills.

If you want to clarify why you are fishing for information, this is the time to do so.

I think you writing "you can give me the answer im looking for" is a HUGE scum tell.

[aioqwe]

@Lloyd: Just pointing it out RC posted:
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: 515

Doesn't seem like a week ago imo... BM, will you clarify why you are making the request after RC gives you the information?

[Battle Mage]

@Lloyd: Just pointing it out RC posted:
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: 515

Doesn't seem like a week ago imo... BM, will you clarify why you are making the request after RC gives you the information?

of course. i dont really want to give away what im getting at here, although if my idea is right, Rosso will probably have worked it out anyway.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Rosso Carne is gone for a week (based on info from other games), so I doubt he'll be responding in the next 12 hours.

you can give me the answer im looking for to vote for someone else

You can't possibly be serious about "you can give me the answer im looking for", can you?

Earlier, you mentioned that if Rosso Carne isn't lynched today, you would ask for a replacement. Now, you're considering voting for someone else if Rosso gives you the answer you are looking for?

What answer could Rosso possibly give, for you to vote for someone else?

Let me put it this way. I have a gut feeling which will completely explain Rosso's behaviour here and make me 100% certain of him being scum. The last piece of the puzzle if you will. Of course, look at it from his perspective. He's frightened scum at -2, and doesnt want to fall into something that is obviously a trap of sorts. Perhaps it was a bit strong to say that i would take my vote off him if he gave a particular answer, but its no lie to say that 1 answer will leave me in much more doubt about my vote. Equally, im hardly going to tell him that 1 answer will confirm him as scum to me, because if i do, he is much more likely to work out WHY. -.-

If you are serious about "the answer im looking for"...The only times I recall seeing players fish for info from others, is when groups (i.e. mafia or cult) don't know who each other are.

Some fishing examples are:
- Worst Role Evar - Godfather fishing to find his goon
- Rocks Papers Scissors (multi-mafia game) - Mafia fishing to find each other
- Resident Evil 4 - Cult members fishing to find each other

After Rosso is lynched...If he's not the SK, then this game could be over if we have 3 more night-kills.

If you want to clarify why you are fishing for information, this is the time to do so.

I think you writing "you can give me the answer im looking for" is a HUGE scum tell.

*sigh*
Why would mafia want to find other mafia in this game? Or perhaps more relevant-why would they want to keep quiet about it? 0.o
You're attempt to paint me as fishing for information, is ridiculous.
Trying to analyse a player from a meta perspective is not fishing. In fact, looking into a players meta isnt scummy ATALL. Your defence of obvscum is little short of hilarious.
But i'll give you 1 shot to explain yourself:

In 100 words or less, explain why me trying to establish whether Rosso had ever played IRC Mafia before, in an attempt to assess whether it is likely that, as i had suspected, his claim had been inspired by that. Its the only place ive ever seen cult cop as a frequently occuring role. I was hoping Rosso could slip up. But, as it stands, id much rather hear from you as to why me trying to delve into this is deemed 'fishing for information'?

oh and

Vote: Rosso

I dont intend to wait a week, especially when we have more suspects coming to light.

Hammer at dawn pl0x.

BM

[Lloyd]

me trying to establish whether Rosso had ever played IRC Mafia before, in an attempt to assess whether it is likely that, as i had suspected, his claim had been inspired by that. Its the only place ive ever seen cult cop as a frequently occuring role.

Your answer is satisfactory. Given your explanation for meta-gaming reasons, I no longer think you were fishing for in-game reasons.

Why would mafia want to find other mafia in this game?Or perhaps more relevant-why would they want to keep quiet about it?

In some themed games (Worst Role Evar, Rocks Paper Scissors, Resident Evil 4), mafia and / or cult cannot talk to each other at night, nor know who each other are. Instead, they have to use their roles or PM'd clues to fish for info from each other in game. Whether that applies to this game or not, I don't know.

It's time to kick another suspect out of the casino.

Unvote

Vote: Rosso Carne

[aioqwe]

Nice 180. Where would it imply that mafia and/or cult do no know who each other are? I've only read worst role evar and just from the title you would figure that if the mafia had some sort of impediment, it would be that they don't know who each other are.

[Joubert]

I'd say the sentence

"you can give me the answer im looking for"

is not necessarily a Scum tell, but it's still an unresolvable question nevertheless. It could translate to "admit you're Scum and I'll believe what you say", which doesn't make sense for obvious reasons...