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[Wiki]

Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi, Dorsey. I will play this.

[Selynee]

"This was the response from her that I didn't like the most. It's a really clumsy metaphor that doesn't even make sense, since it implies if someone seems scummy then they're scum. Knowing a language doesn't make you the ethnicity or race of that language, and being scummy doesn't make you mafia."

It's not a methaphor is an analogy and how on Earth did you even got that meaning from it? It's obviously meaning that for all I know, they could be speaking French and German but if one was speaking Russian, given that they can't understand each other, the other can't be speaking the language. Was an analogy: me saying that claiming "if one of them is mafia, the other is not" doesn't equal me saying one of them must be mafia. OK, clumsy, but if you seem like not getting the idea in more plain language thought an analogy might help.

Hmm...I think I've explained why I didn't question that much the alignment of those who first made a read about me. Which would have been more OMGUS than me voting you with reasons. So, at least, you admit this is not.

"T3 even made a naked vote and that somehow doesn't catch her eye?"

Also, actually I've seen T3's vote on me. And asked about it. Btw, one of your arguments is that I'm mafia worried about getting eliminated. So, how is not questioning T3's naked vote going with that argument?

[Selynee]

Also, what's so weird about me accusing you of hiding behind two players's reads.


"Because I saw what looked like a good point and I didn't like your response to it. Why do you think it's odd that other players can be convinced by another player's reads?

Is this a strictly OMGUS vote or do you actually scum read me for believing two other players' reads?

Believing two other players's reads...not agreeing with this amazing arguments.

[Three]

and re: three, uh. while i agree it was a sorta clumsy metaphor, i thought "speaking russian = being russian" there? like, "if one of them speaks russian, the other one does not" doesn't imply "one of them speaks russian", just like "if one of them is scum, the other isn't" doesn't imply "one of them is scum".

obviously correct me if i'm wrong, but i think you're looking too deep into it

I don't think I'm looking too deep into it, I barely understand the point of what she's saying there and I'm kind of confused by your own interpretation of it.

re 494: the reason i ask for your experience is because the "when i flip town, you're gonna hide behind others" is a sort of non-commital thought that i see somewhat often. and usually it doesn't imply some sorta big brain calculations of one's flip and all the pushers on their slot's alignments and that the pushers have already planned it out weeks in advance, it's just a reactionary thought to a world that could be happening, and i think it's overall nai. and this is the first time i see someone take a thought like that *that* seriously.

It's more that the more I think about it, the less it makes sense to me. If she backed down or admitted her argument was silly, I'd be more likely to believe it's NAI. But she didn't, yet isn't continuing to pressure me either. Like was said before, she seems aimless and like she doesn't know what to do or how to proceed, and is just sticking her vote on me because she needs to keep it somewhere.

[Selynee]

"It's more that the more I think about it, the less it makes sense to me. If she backed down or admitted her argument was silly, I'd be more likely to believe it's NAI. But she didn't, yet isn't continuing to pressure me either. Like was said before, she seems aimless and like she doesn't know what to do or how to proceed, and is just sticking her vote on me because she needs to keep it somewhere."

But I obviously don't think my argument is silly. If you really think my read on you is fake why would you want me to back down? You should be the first to want me out.

[T3]

t3 can I put you in my ultra-awesome list of townies

Why yes I would appreciate it

[T3]

Andre said I'm washy about DW vs Wiki. Well, as I said, maybe because I don't have a clear view on Dwelee. And I'd also like to see Andre's thoughts on this slot.

VOTE: selynee

Any more thoughts on this?

It’s still too early to have a real solid read on DW. I don’t think they’re Scum - I just think they’re a decently good player and they could be fooling people into thinking they’re Town with their aggression, confidence, and repeated attempts at forming a Town core (which all strike me as +Town).

OK, fair enough on town core. This usually comes from town- depending on what does with those reads later.

No

[T3]

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

Hard claim

Hard claim 2

I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

I really hate this sequence but I also don’t see the scum motivation

[T3]

Salsa rolled scum too I think

i also thought her intro was tonally *off*, though at this point i feel like i have way too many scumleans, even for this game

Agreed, and I also like this observation.

[Gamma Emerald]

is she more likely to show such antagonistic behaviour when she's scum, or is this some sorta weird policy vote?

it's more policy, though yes I kinda feel like the antagonism is in a way a scumtell

[T3]

Datisi how do you have too many scumleans
Name them

sel and three for already explained reasons at some point in the last two pages
a50 because his laziness reminded me of that c9++ game
geraintm because are you reading his posts
salsa's intro is pingy
t3 is being weird and opportunistic-y and i'm still trying to figure out how to read him

6 feels like too much
and knowing my early reads generally aren't perfect
yeah

Opportunism is never ever ever a scum tell for me. I get accused of it a lot as both alignments.

[Selynee]

Why not? I mean, feel free to share.

[T3]

If traitor game then Gera > salsa > a50 has a decent chance of winning imo

I’m thinking this is a traitor game. Having to lim 4 scum to win means town can only afford 3 Muslims.

[T3]

Salsa rolled scum too I think

i also thought her intro was tonally *off*, though at this point i feel like i have way too many scumleans, even for this game

I think I've got a tell for Salsa atp, but it needs time to work properly

This kind of post generally comes from town.

[T3]

I have NO towntells. Only SCUM tells.

I think your low WIM is a scumtell. VOTE: a50

[Three]

"This was the response from her that I didn't like the most. It's a really clumsy metaphor that doesn't even make sense, since it implies if someone seems scummy then they're scum. Knowing a language doesn't make you the ethnicity or race of that language, and being scummy doesn't make you mafia."

It's not a methaphor is an analogy and how on Earth did you even got that meaning from it? It's obviously meaning that for all I know, they could be speaking French and German but if one was speaking Russian, given that they can't understand each other, the other can't be speaking the language. Was an analogy: me saying that claiming "if one of them is mafia, the other is not" doesn't equal me saying one of them must be mafia. OK, clumsy, but if you seem like not getting the idea in more plain language thought an analogy might help.

Hmm...I think I've explained why I didn't question that much the alignment of those who first made a read about me. Which would have been more OMGUS than me voting you with reasons. So, at least, you admit this is not.

"T3 even made a naked vote and that somehow doesn't catch her eye?"

Also, actually I've seen T3's vote on me. And asked about it. Btw, one of your arguments is that I'm mafia worried about getting eliminated. So, how is not questioning T3's naked vote going with that argument?

I'm still not sure what you mean by your metaphor/analogy to be honest.

Your explanation for why you haven't questioned those who are apparently mis-reading you feels weak to me since you're scum reading me for less.

...Are you referring to this wrt T3?

Andre said I'm washy about DW vs Wiki. Well, as I said, maybe because I don't have a clear view on Dwelee. And I'd also like to see Andre's thoughts on this slot.

VOTE: selynee

Any more thoughts on this?

There is a very blatant difference in reactions here. It just further makes me feel like your counter push on me is fake since T3's vote could be seen as legitimately oppotunistic.

Also, what's so weird about me accusing you of hiding behind two players's reads.


"Because I saw what looked like a good point and I didn't like your response to it. Why do you think it's odd that other players can be convinced by another player's reads?

Is this a strictly OMGUS vote or do you actually scum read me for believing two other players' reads?

Believing two other players's reads...not agreeing with this amazing arguments.

Because your accusation makes no sense, as I clearly have my own additional reasoning for voting you.

[T3]

Salsa rolled scum too I think

Sure looks like it, but I only have one vote

Salsa rolled scum too I think

i also thought her intro was tonally *off*, though at this point i feel like i have way too many scumleans, even for this game

You guys have more days to tunnel the shut out of me. I want a D1 pass as I joined late and not interest in catching up atm.

This doesn’t feel like lemin demin Salsa but I’ll need more time.

[Three]

"It's more that the more I think about it, the less it makes sense to me. If she backed down or admitted her argument was silly, I'd be more likely to believe it's NAI. But she didn't, yet isn't continuing to pressure me either. Like was said before, she seems aimless and like she doesn't know what to do or how to proceed, and is just sticking her vote on me because she needs to keep it somewhere."

But I obviously don't think my argument is silly. If you really think my read on you is fake why would you want me to back down? You should be the first to want me out.

What is this circular logic? Your read seems fake because it's nonsense and you didn't back down from it. Why should I be the first to want you out?

[T3]

No, I just don't know any other way to get into the game.

I very very very much like this sequence from Dorsey. He looks like newbtown out of water in a sense.

[Three]

Why not? I mean, feel free to share.

The lack of aggression here is telling.

[T3]

@Three, OMGUS doesn’t say shit about someone’s alignment btw. Town sometimes just get frustrated and vote back thinking they’re being attacked by Scum. But I do SR Selynee’s timidity and somewhat narrow focus on your slot.

I don't disagree. The OMGUS doesn't mean as much to me as the rest of her post IMO. It reads like she's trying to scare me off her wagon by acting like she was on the verge of being flipped when she wasn't anywhere close to it. The fact that she's already worried about getting eliminated suggests self-conscious scum to me, like she's mad that she's already been caught over something small and trivial.

If she's genuinely frustrated town, she needs to deal with the people casing her, not attack people who are convinced by those casing her.

this post feels like it's made in bad faith

...Can you elaborate?

You said exactly what selynee was saying but added on a part that felt manipulative, in a sense. Like you’re saying it’s her fault she’s being scumread.

[T3]

Why not? I mean, feel free to share.

I… just don’t have any more thoughts. The part where you talk about Andrea seemed designed to make it seem like you’re making discussion while pocketing Andres.

[T3]

If traitor game then Gera > salsa > a50 has a decent chance of winning imo

I’m thinking this is a traitor game. Having to lim 4 scum to win means town can only afford 3 Muslims.

LMAO AUTOCORRECT

[Gamma Emerald]

This doesn’t feel like lemin demin Salsa but I’ll need more time.

Oh no you're absolutely right that Lemon Demon Salsa never posted like that.
As an FYI there's some posting by Salsa I did like after I voted her

[Three]

@Three, OMGUS doesn’t say shit about someone’s alignment btw. Town sometimes just get frustrated and vote back thinking they’re being attacked by Scum. But I do SR Selynee’s timidity and somewhat narrow focus on your slot.

I don't disagree. The OMGUS doesn't mean as much to me as the rest of her post IMO. It reads like she's trying to scare me off her wagon by acting like she was on the verge of being flipped when she wasn't anywhere close to it. The fact that she's already worried about getting eliminated suggests self-conscious scum to me, like she's mad that she's already been caught over something small and trivial.

If she's genuinely frustrated town, she needs to deal with the people casing her, not attack people who are convinced by those casing her.

this post feels like it's made in bad faith

...Can you elaborate?

You said exactly what selynee was saying but added on a part that felt manipulative, in a sense. Like you’re saying it’s her fault she’s being scumread.

Who's fault is it that she's being scum read then?