Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Especially if they know who they need to kill. I still don't think DDD was truthful about his targets.

And I think you're just a paranoia monger who has absolutely no reason to suggest that other than it defames me.

The reason I have to suggest it is because you are scum.

There cannot be 2 country cops. There just can't. I won't subscribe to that BS.

So you have to be scum. And I'm now rationalizing your anti-town investigations that involve all people who have already claimed the only way that makes sense. You're lying.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

There cannot be 2 country cops. There just can't. I won't subscribe to that BS.

So you have to be scum. And I'm now rationalizing your anti-town investigations that involve all people who have already claimed the only way that makes sense. You're lying.

So if you are actually town your rationale is to take one bad assumption and then because that's not bad enough to layer it with another bad assumption instead of examining the facts in either case. Sounds clever and by clever I mean either from scum or from town with a desire to lose.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I'm scum, why isn't your vote on me DDD?

Oh Right. Because you're trying to hold out hope that this town will actually lynch outside of your silly counter claim and buy you an extra day.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

If I'm scum, why isn't your vote on me DDD?

Oh Right. Because you're trying to hold out hope that this town will actually lynch outside of your silly counter claim and buy you an extra day.

I've already explained why I wasn't and still aren't sold on the idea of you being scum; it is however looking increasingly likely that I'll have to vote for you out of self-preservation because I'm not seeing any other compelling wagons springing up.

I also find the idea that I'm playing for one more day amusing given that I claimed today to maximize town information under absolutely no pressure. Surely if all I was doing was looking to survive one more day, I would've kept my trap shut, hmm?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You had to claim today or you were dying. You had no choice.

And if your claim wasn't "confirmable" then you were dying.

This was legit your only choice.

[Glork]

Glork, what are the odds Vi made a scum target a commuter who can commute consecutive nights?

(Can Commuters be RB'd in NAR?)

She can't commute on consecutive nights?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pretty sure that wasn't a restriction. I recall reading that she said she couldn't commute in consecutive PHASES?

[Gammagooey]

Vote: Lady Lambadelta

itty-bitty quote to avoid wallage.

Still not super confident in this but everyone

else

looks town to me and although yes I know this is flavor garbage but I also think that a scum Sothe as a country cop would make a lot more sense than Zihark.

First off, I need an elaboration on the back half of this? What are you saying?

Secondly, I'm positive DDD is scum. Can you explain why he is town, given his investigation results+ the timing of his claim? Also, there's no way there are 2 (3?) country cops.

Further, with the amount of people going "OH THERE TOTES CAN BE 2 TOWN COUNTRY COPS" I don't trust you people to lynch DDD based on my flip.

DDD dies. Today.

1- was thinking that sothe made more sense as a scum country cop since he goes on about how he knows ike is a good dude to micaiah but fights with micaiah anyway, plus thief so he can get up close to see people I guess. tbh though i don't know if any characters reaally make sense as a country cop though without a bit of flavor stretching so whatever.

2- investigation results are like really really obvious that they existed before now, the results being bad especially with one on glork too make 100% sense. no matter what alignment ddd is he's a country cop. and dana isn't a country cop, he already claimed, go look it up.

3-well this is a fair statement but not actually an argument against him. go poke at his play if you want him lynched, i don't think he's scum given how he interacted with grey.

also i've yet to hear from anyone why they think i'm scum aside from lol-bad-poe so if you want to actually go through my iso and tell me why i'm scum despite my interactions with the two lynched scum PROBABLY being better than anyone else in the game then i'd appreciate it. seriously, it's not like you'll have THICK READINGZ to go through.

also also hi lld.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

AV is semi out. I'll catch up tomorrow.

~P

[singersigner]

I'm just gunna throw this out there again...is there any reason why we couldn't just have them investigate one of the unknowns tonight, and compare results tomorrow?

We'd at least have two less people to bullshit through...

[Katsuki]

I'm just gunna throw this out there again...is there any reason why we couldn't just have them investigate one of the unknowns tonight, and compare results tomorrow?

We'd at least have two less people to bullshit through...

Because apparently we don't have the time.

Which greatly annoys me because of giant pool of plausible scum imo.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

1. Toasty
2. Gamma
3. ML
4. Nik

Nice list, but I want to add Kats in there too~

There cannot be 2 country cops. There just can't. I won't subscribe to that BS.

Why would you be countryMiller without another cop?
~AV

[Katsuki]

AV, I'm bored, so you can tell me, how can I possibly be scum?

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Because we think scum will try to push us as possible scum based on the fact that our BG disappeared, resulting in Sanaki's death.
In addition, if Chaos is a scum controlled ability, then PermaBlocking us in this way increases the likelihood that scum will push on us for the fact that Alch died.

Plus your take on our reaction to the Sanaki claims is terrible.

[danakillsu]

I'm not entirely sure why there's so much discussion and controversy over this situation. It seems to me like:

1) We must have at least 2 mislynches left based on scum vs. town that have died.
2) We more or less have 2 claims that both intersect with a clear town player (me).

So we lynch one or both of those 2 claims until we get scum. I understand all this crap about "Vi games don't have to make sense lol", but mods don't make games where practically all of the many town PRs do the same thing. All mods like a variety of things going on if they have multiple PRs. Sure, I expect 2 claims at times to be similar and both true, but 3? Really?

So just pick DDD or LLD and let's win this thing.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

You had to claim today or you were dying. You had no choice.

And if your claim wasn't "confirmable" then you were dying.

This was legit your only choice.

Perhaps you could try to limit your arguments to things that actually happened in this game and not about some convenient parallel reality where that might've actually been the case.

[ToastyToast]

Pretty sure that wasn't a restriction. I recall reading that she said she couldn't commute in consecutive PHASES?

Scum would not have known this until Tammy said it. She did said so after the two-night-in-a-row no kill.

[Katsuki]

Because we think scum will try to push us as possible scum based on the fact that our BG disappeared, resulting in Sanaki's death.
In addition, if Chaos is a scum controlled ability, then PermaBlocking us in this way increases the likelihood that scum will push on us for the fact that Alch died.

Plus your take on our reaction to the Sanaki claims is terrible.

If I were scum, my plan of action would be very simple (granted if the scum win con is as been speculated).

I'm not gonna say what it is though as that'd just be stupid since the scum haven't done it yet.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

-If anyone is reading the thread, who claimed first out of DDD/LLD? Anyone have the post numbers handy?

~P

[Gammagooey]

ddd claimed confirmable role day 3, then claimed country cop today although he HEAVILY crumbed his targets on several days since then.
lld claimed d3 to get spyrex lynched because she got a no result on him n2, and claimed results on nik n1, me n3 i think, hindu d6, and i forget the rest.

[Tierce]

VOTE: Magister Ludi

[Tierce]

Glork, the problem isn't that there might be four town investigative roles. The problem is what you're glossing over: that when you get down to scumhunting, DDDP's play doesn't make sense as scum. You're trying to sell this lynch on numbers, and that makes me extremely nervous. It's a Vi game, it's not required to make sense, and you're jumping on "things that aren't required to make sense" over "this behavior is likely to come from scum/town".

I know you're busy, Glork, but this needs to be emphasized.

[Tierce]

With that said, the number of power roles in this game, even with role madness, is making me go 'eeeeeh '. Two of the (presumed) targets only got their powers at specific instances in the game (Quilford/Shmugen deaths), so I wonder if that's a function of being in The List or something we should be seeing more of. Because the amount of power that town had collected during N2 seems Quite Absurd.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

ddd claimed confirmable role day 3, then claimed country cop today although he HEAVILY crumbed his targets on several days since then.
lld claimed d3 to get spyrex lynched because she got a no result on him n2, and claimed results on nik n1, me n3 i think, hindu d6, and i forget the rest.

AV said something about Miller cop.

~P

[Katsuki]

Wait

So DDD didn't bother crumbing results before then?

Because see, crumbing =/= town..