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Post Post #5000 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 7:55 am

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In post 4997, wolfbae wrote: Okay, thank you.

Gut impression says this is not a readslist expressing a scum agenda which is what I was checking for here. The fact that all the pressure is on the dethy might make this less reliable but I think committed stances on the players outside of it are more valuable than stances inside of it because there's more wiggle room in the larger bunch where scum have to be more strategic about their reads.
I dont think that my day 1 play particularly revolved around the dethy, so if you want to see non-dethy focused Luke, you can look at my iso. I even made a full game reads list when firebringer asked me to.

Even today, my scum read on experience and my prior focus on you were also pretty dethy-agnostic, and you two just ~happen~ to both be dethy people.
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Post Post #5001 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 8:03 am

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In post 5000, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 4997, wolfbae wrote: Okay, thank you.

Gut impression says this is not a readslist expressing a scum agenda which is what I was checking for here. The fact that all the pressure is on the dethy might make this less reliable but I think committed stances on the players outside of it are more valuable than stances inside of it because there's more wiggle room in the larger bunch where scum have to be more strategic about their reads.
I dont think that my day 1 play particularly revolved around the dethy, so if you want to see non-dethy focused Luke, you can look at my iso. I even made a full game reads list when firebringer asked me to.

Even today, my scum read on experience and my prior focus on you were also pretty dethy-agnostic, and you two just ~happen~ to both be dethy people.
Looking for your current stances was what was important to me and I felt I'd get more value from putting you on the spot. If you're scum it forces you to commit to putting names in a certain order rather than keeping options open. Scum when they assemble a readslist have to do a balancing act of trying to make it seem plausible while also working to advance win condition with it. I wasn't necessarily picking on you in particular but you happened to be around and I figured I'd try to get a read on you this way.
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Post Post #5002 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 9:24 am

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VC 2.4
Gypyx 5 (Lukewarm, wolfbae, Hermit, Penguin, marci)
experience 4 (Firebringer, Dannflor, CSF, STD)
Firebringer 2 (Shello, SirCakez)
Sunflower 1 (Dunnstral)
SirCakez 1 (Gypyx)

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Post Post #5003 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 10:57 am

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In post 4958, Lukewarm wrote: My experience experience is that he used to effort as both alignments, and the writing style of that post was more standard. I actually lost a game in elo to scum!experience (as the deciding voter)

I also had a game where I incorrectly scum read him for lack of analysis, and his response was that I was using "old meta" on him. (I do think that this game is even more egregious ftr)

I don't know where his wim has gone. I actually hate that I can see this coming from town him now that I know who he is. I still lean scum, but I will be shaking my head in disappointment, not shock, if he flip green
i still effort as both alignments, just when i actually have a good grasp of the game.
and this game isn't one.
on the other hand, it's been a long time since i've had a game which i feel like i actually had a good grasp of. which might be due to me no longer having the time that i had in the past during my zenith
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Post Post #5004 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 10:59 am

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but i'll try putting more time aside for this game if it helps everybody read me
(tho i feel like a lot of people will be disappointed in my flip)
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Post Post #5005 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 11:10 am

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In post 4753, Lukewarm wrote: Being unaware that crab is a claimed mason.
Why were you so sure this was the townslip in quesstion when you don't see it as a townslip?
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Post Post #5006 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 12:03 pm

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In post 3800, Sunflower wrote: :sunny: fire was like shell game's out! but u gotta study for your quiz. play shell game later. and i was like ok. and then i never returned to shell game until now LOL. that's mb
anyways im gonna continue reading if there are no further objections towards my completely nonexistent d1 play thx
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Post Post #5007 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 1:18 pm

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In post 4996, Gypyx wrote:
In post 4994, Hermit Crab wrote: When did you realize we were masons?
When you told me you were masons lol
Who is "you"? Are you referring to Crab's post claiming to be confirmed town? If so what made you think that was on the level rather than a joke?
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Post Post #5008 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 1:47 pm

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I don't especially think experience is going go flip scum here
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Post Post #5009 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 1:54 pm

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Me neither. I'm voting Sunflower because I think everyone else in that group is more likely to be town.
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Post Post #5010 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 1:56 pm

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People are saying the Gypyx thing is not a town slip but it does make them more likely to be town, right? Mafia would be talking about the Best Friend Neighbors (the actual role name) in their pt.
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Post Post #5011 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 1:57 pm

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Lukewarm stop sliding me down.
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Post Post #5012 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:09 pm

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In post 5005, Bingle wrote:
In post 4753, Lukewarm wrote: Being unaware that crab is a claimed mason.
Why were you so sure this was the townslip in quesstion when you don't see it as a townslip?
I have reading comprehension?

I saw the gypyx post, had the "I wonder if they would be more likely to have missed this as town, because scum chat?" thought.

I then saw yours and dunn's conversation right after, which ended up mirroring my own thoughts. Including your opinion that it was unlikely to be faked because of the comments on experience, and also dunn's opinion that it is something that could have been genuinely missed.

So yeah, I put 2 and 2 together lol.
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Post Post #5013 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:10 pm

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In post 5011, Dunnstral wrote: Lukewarm stop sliding me down.
Be more memorable!
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Post Post #5014 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:13 pm

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My opinion might change when I re-read day 2, once I am back home, but from randomly phone reading in short bursts through out the day, nothing you've done today has really stuck in my brain.
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Post Post #5015 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:17 pm

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I don't feel like that is a fair assessment. I've pushed what I thought were 2 different slips. And tried to figure out several players who didn't realize Hermit Crab was a claimed role without making it too obvious that that was what was happening.
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Post Post #5016 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:21 pm

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5013 was meant to be a bit jokey, but 5014 the more genuine version.

I'll keep an eye out for you in particular on my re-read, if that makes you feel any better.
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Post Post #5017 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 4:42 pm

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Just noting that it's been almost 2 days since sunflower last posted.
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Post Post #5018 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 5:14 pm

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fire posted in the hood yesterday saying he wasn't up to playing that day but was supposed to show today

dunno maybe he is just Going Through It, but.
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Post Post #5019 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2024 5:30 pm

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Just a touch off given they seem to be doing the Homer Simpson fade into the hedges once everyone was going ho about the experience and gypyx shiny wagons.
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Post Post #5020 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2024 12:47 am

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I kind of want to start wrapping up the day
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Post Post #5021 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2024 12:54 am

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VOTE: experience

I would vote here or Sunflower. Not really feeling a Gypyx elim

Sorry for my relative absence, had a rough weekend and not really in a mafia mood rn

@morph not sure why the Tenet post necessitates a response from me, no one’s arguing that you’re scum with Brian. Or in general.
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Post Post #5022 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2024 12:55 am

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yeah i dont really see much progressing beyond this unfortunately.

Oblivions pop in is ??underwhelming?? Someone catch them up!!

Dunn and luke on this page is ? (I think wolfbae likes it but i dont quite like it)

I still prefer experience > sunflowers. But gypyx is my #1!!
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Post Post #5023 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2024 12:56 am

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Spiffeh why must you steal my thunder i tho7ght i would be the only one posting at this hour smh
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Post Post #5024 (ISO) » Mon May 13, 2024 1:03 am

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In post 5019, morph the cat wrote: Just a touch off given they seem to be doing the Homer Simpson fade into the hedges once everyone was going ho about the experience and gypyx shiny wagons.
It is not lost on me that they passionately defended themselves from my case on them point by point and thoughtfully answered my questions but vanish as soon as the heat is off them.

But with what wolfbae said about their post in the neighborhood I’m trying not to assume the worst.

I think the scum in the dethy is between Sunflower and experience and don’t really have a preference for who we eliminate first. I think Sunflower is scummier overall but I would kick myself if experience is scum and gets a mis-elim before dying after the shit he’s pulled toDay.
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