Mini 836: Commie Mafia (Game Over)

[Cyberbob]

Oh, my mistake. Replace that instance of "Talitha" in my post with "charter" then.

[CoCo]

Okay, but why would I want to be on a wagon in which two obvscum jumped ship?

Is it not safe to assume that Talitha and Charter led the wagon and bailed after it was clear a possible lynch would occur?

I'm preventing said lynch and pointing fingers at them. My vote went back to my previous suspect.

Is that scummy?

[Cyberbob]

Okay, but why would I want to be on a wagon in which two obvscum jumped ship?

Assuming that they're scum for a second, their motivations for jumping ship could go a couple of ways. They might not want to see scumbuddy-Peabody lynched, or they might not want to be seen on a town-Peabody wagon.

(Reminder that you fit in with that equation too - you've jumped ship as well)

Besides which, D1 is a little early to be making "obvscum" calls.

[Talitha]

When Peabody flips scum (my gut is now telling me that he will) I'm going to look very closely at those who pointed at my unvote as scummy (or "inappropriate").

If Peabody is town my unvote would've been extremely appropriate.
This is the first reason I've had to suspect Cyberbob.

unvote: Serial Clergyman
vote: Peabody

[Cyberbob]

If Peabody is town my unvote would've been extremely appropriate.
This is the first reason I've had to suspect Cyberbob.

I was talking about the

timing

of it rather than the action itself - I understood that you were going to come back to Peabody eventually but abruptly going off just as he hits L-1 was kind of iffy.

[charter]

Cyberbob, what do you think of mathcam?

Consolidated case on mathcam for everyone

• First unvote (Post 165) of Coco, where that ended all his lines of questioning, and he didn't attempt to start any new ones. His reason for unvoting was he found Coco's answers to his questions about why Coco only questioned Vaya satisfactory (this was the only one Coco actually gave an answer to).
  
• His revote of Coco, a mere two posts later. He uses Coco original attack on Vaya as one of his reasons, BUT this contradicts why he unvoted. Not only that, but if you look at what he says (Post 215), he justifies it by saying that Coco's answers gave him "plausible deniability" and Coco's reasoning for solely questioning Vaya is "hardly airtight".
  
• Having to wait and think about if he wants to continue voting Coco when it's clear no one else is interested in pursuing Coco. I still maintain it was just to wait to see who else would emerge as an easy target.
  
• Despite what he says in 356, he really hasn't done any scumhunting.
  
• Puts me at L-2 in 362, no real reason given, though we find out later it was OMGUS.
  
• Does a complete 180 on Hoopla in 410, but no mention of why.
  
• Unvotes me after pretty much everyone not voting me says they don't like the charterwagon. Once again, drops all lines of questioning.
  
• Tries to lynch someone he thinks is town in 505.
  This is horribly scummy, how does anyone think this is a town move?

Some general things about his play that I find scummy, as well.

• Lack of trying to figure out anyone but Coco's alignment
  
• Always voting easy targets, normally ones that have lots of votes, but doesn't give much reason
  
• Voting someone he thinks is town

Not happy about the Peabody lynch that is threatening to materialize. I do not like it at all. Nope.

Talitha, what do you think of mathcam's trying to lynch someone he thinks is town?

When Peabody flips scum (my gut is now telling me that he will) I'm going to look very closely at those who pointed at my unvote as scummy (or "inappropriate").

If Peabody is town my unvote would've been extremely appropriate.
This is the first reason I've had to suspect Cyberbob.

unvote: Serial Clergyman
vote: Peabody

FOS this, because you're preemptively defending yourself if Peabody is town.

[Talitha]

Cyberbob: Why was the timing iffy? If he wasn't at L-1 (or 2 or whatever!) I wouldn't have needed to unvote to stall the lynch!!!!

charter: How am I pre-emptively defending myself if Peabody is town?!!


What do I think of mathcam trying to lynch someone he "thinks" is town? Exceedingly honest! He's keen to end the day which I am sympathetic to, and he has tried to get his prefered lynch (CoCo) lynched with no success. Saying he thinks Peabody is town is MISLEADING. It is more accurate to say that he thinks Peabody has more chance of being town than he does of being scum. Unless a scum has screwed up big time, anyone who says they're sure about someone being scum on Day 1 is either bluffing or lying, IMO.

[charter]

Cyberbob: Why was the timing iffy? If he wasn't at L-1 (or 2 or whatever!) I wouldn't have needed to unvote to stall the lynch!!!!

charter: How am I pre-emptively defending myself if Peabody is town?!!

By saying your unvote was justified, but now you've gone back to voting him. You can't be voting him and patting yourself on the back for unvoting at the same time.

What do I think of mathcam trying to lynch someone he "thinks" is town? Exceedingly honest! He's keen to end the day which I am sympathetic to, and he has tried to get his prefered lynch (CoCo) lynched with no success. Saying he thinks Peabody is town is MISLEADING. It is more accurate to say that he thinks Peabody has more chance of being town than he does of being scum. Unless a scum has screwed up big time, anyone who says they're sure about someone being scum on Day 1 is either bluffing or lying, IMO.

So you don't find it scummy at all then?

[Talitha]

charter you've missed my point completely. It wasn't about defending myself... it was about those who were jumping up and down because I unvoted. To me it looks like they have more info on Peabody's alignment than I do.


And no I don't think settling on a less preferred option after 23 pages of day 1 is particularly scummy.

[Cyberbob]

Cyberbob, what do you think of mathcam?

I think he's been flying under my radar a bit and I have been considering doing a read of him lately. Going by your post alone I agree that his behaviour towards CoCo has been weird and certainly scummy in parts (especially the "Having to wait and think about if he wants to continue voting Coco" part; I believe I commented on that at the time too) but I don't see very much in his Post 505 vote. He didn't say that he thinks Peabody is town, merely that CoCo would've been his first preference for lynching. That leaves a lot of room for suspicion of Peabody.

[Cyberbob]

And no I don't think settling on a less preferred option after 23 pages of day 1 is particularly scummy.

This.

[CoCo]

Well, I think we can all agree this game is getting somewhere.

- Scummy as he may be, I have been quite vocal about my thoughts concerning Mathcam; Charter's case is strong.

-Because of the above, I think Talitha would be my choice lynch today. As others have said, she's obviously following the thread regardless of her appeals to emotion (I gotz 3 kidz, yo!) and subsequent responses to any and all mentions of her name. In fact, I'll go so far to say she's searching new pages using Ctrl+F. Not cool.

-Cyberbob is absolutely town.

-Peabody is probably town.

-Vaya should either contribute or replace out.

[charter]

charter you've missed my point completely. It wasn't about defending myself... it was about those who were jumping up and down because I unvoted. To me it looks like they have more info on Peabody's alignment than I do.

Ah, yes I did miss your point.

And no I don't think settling on a less preferred option after 23 pages of day 1 is particularly scummy.

Where does less preferred end though? He hasn't said two words on Peabody all game.

He said he gave Peabody a 1/3 chance of being scum, which is like throwing a dart to do your voting. I guess I went a little overboard saying he thinks he's town, but he certainly doesn't think he's scum, and it seems to me like he's just trying to lynch Peabody and not because he thinks Peabody is scum.

[SensFan]

I do not, and will not, at all support a Tally lynch.

[Cyberbob]

Not cool.

Hey you know what else is not cool?

Shit like this:

her appeals to emotion (I gotz 3 kidz, yo!)

[Cyberbob]

Cyberbob: Why was the timing iffy? If he wasn't at L-1 (or 2 or whatever!) I wouldn't have needed to unvote to stall the lynch!!!

Any unvote from a wagon is going to slow it down no matter how advanced or vestigial the wagon is at the time.

[CoCo]

You're right. I was just using an example of her appeals. I'm sure she does have kids and bring RL stuff is probably uncalled for.

But my point stands.

[CoCo]

566 is in response to 564.

[SensFan]

You're right. I was just using an example of her appeals. I'm sure she does have kids and bring RL stuff is probably uncalled for.

But my point stands.

No, actually, it doesn't. "I have kids" isn't an appeal at all, its an explanation for why she doesn't post as much as some of the rest of us. Just like "I was on vacation" wasn't an appeal.

I'm not liking your blatant push at a TallyWagon, especially when I don't remember you having ever said anything about my excuse of being on vacation.

[Talitha]

It's the job that's inteferes with my mafia more than the kids, actually! (Fair warning: back to work tomorrow.. my posting rate will drop!)
Anyways, CoCo = ignore.


charter, I can understand where you're coming from. I can't speak for cam, but as for me, on Day 1 if I can't get someone I think is scum lynched, I'll settle for lynching anyone as long as they're not someone I actively think is town.

[CoCo]

LOL!
Charter and Talitha are now ignoring me! Yay!

Mini 835: Mafia is Coming to Town! is almost done. Read that game if you enjoy my super-cool behavior.

Unvote. Vote Talitha.

[Cyberbob]

FFS.

[Hoopla]

Oh, for fuck's sake!

Talitha and Chatrer are obvscum.

Both hopped off the Peabody wagon for various reasons and it all crap. The only person with a good reason to be on that wagon is Cyberbob.

Cyberbob is town.
Peabody is town.
Mathcam is neutral.
Vaya has no read for me anymore (not enough post-bandwagon-content).

Next post;

Unvote. Vote Charter.

CoCo jumps off the Peabody wagon, although I don't really know why he was on there in the first place. Here was his vote to put him at L-2;

After my discussion with Cyberbob last night and thinking about it today...

Unvote, Vote Peabody.

That discussion with Cyberbob only revolved around the joke RVS thing which has been around forever. Why did you only notice it being scummy now, when at the time you had this to say about the Peabody scenario;

So, because he never said it was a joke yet has said he wished to participate in an RVS; you find it scummy?

What's obtuse about it? Seriously, enlighten me. I cannot, in good consciousness, vote for a player that made a lame RVS joke. Had he not commenteated on the goings on, I'd be in your camp.

There are more quotes like this where CoCo defends Peabody heavily. What exactly changed your minds about these events CoCo, to see them as now scummy? Or do you now not find him scummy, now you're off Peabody's wagon? Seriously, I have no idea where you are in regards to Peabody.

[SensFan]

LOL!
Charter and Talitha are now ignoring me! Yay!

You can now add me to that list as well.

[CoCo]

Hoopla, did you not notice the part in which I went back through the game and noticed that CB wasn't lying?

Huzzah, Sens ignores me too!

I swear, you guys are idiots if you haven't read my games.