Mafia 1010 - Perpetual MyLo - Game Over

[DavidParker]

In more recent news, ani is scum with SD and Thief.

[Rena]

@Wicked: I don't plan on lynching either of them today.

Ani's earned a scum read from me, and if his next post doesn't resemble something slightly protown, I'm going to tunnel the hell out of him.

The analysis of mole is still coming, I promise. Sorry for the delay.

[Shadow Dancer]

Also SD has started to flail around and mass contribute once he was under pressure.

I had two states in this game: mass contribution and V/LA. I think while extended V/LA (as with me) is not exactly pro-town, it is definitely not scum and a very obvious reason for non-contribution. Interesting that the first thing that looks somewhat like a point that comes form in this game is just an awkward misrepresentation.

[Shadow Dancer]

In more recent news, ani is scum with SD and Thief.

I am very interested to come to know how your little twisted brain draw that conclusion

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, and, btw, DP, it is quite obvious that you are trying to act too scummy to be scum. That, however, cannot be townie-motivated. And there your "anti-town != scum" house of cards goes...

[Mafuyu]

Page 12, and mildly interested that SD is alive.

[DavidParker]

I'm not trying to be too scummy to be scum. I'm just being concise and not explaining my cases. At least I have a stance on players.

[Shadow Dancer]

....whaaaat ever... Not convincing at all...

[DavidParker]

The OMGUS isn't a good look for you.

[Mafuyu]

More or less caught up. Apologies for taking a week, but college move-in sucks.

If you're expecting a catch-up post, you're in for a disappointment.

That opinion that SD is still alive is odd? Yeah, still have it.

Vote Shadowdancer

[DavidParker]

That's L-1, time to hammer.

[Mafuyu]

Unvote

Interesting that you didn't pull yours.

[DavidParker]

Why would I unvote from scum?

And why would you put someone on L-1 then unvote? I stated he was on L-1,s o someone couldn't hammer then say the next day "oh accident sorrry!!!!". If I could have hammered (ie had another vote or hadn't voted for him yet), I would have done so then. And I wuld have done so because I can confidently say he is scum. I'm just making sure whoever hammers does so because they are willing to hammer and aren't going to manipulate us using the hammer.

So, Mafayu.. Please explain this vote then unvote? Not sure of the vote count? Or what were you doing...

[Mafuyu]

Wasn't sure, saw the reply, interested that you didn't counterbalance in the potential case of another quicklynch.

[DavidParker]

Have you read the thread? I was the one who willingly put Lowell at L-1 despite the possibility of a scum quick lynch. If I didn't want him lynched I wouldn't be voting for him. Him being at L-1 because of you furthers my cause so I had no intention of unvoting. If my vote is on someone I want them lynched in this setup. I'm not going to vote someone who I'm not wiling to see lynched or unsure of; the setup isn't very lenient to that sort of thing.

[Max]

Vote Count

molestargazer - 3 (Shadow Dancer, Thief, Rena)
Shadow Dancer - 2 (Wickedestjr, DavidParker)
DavidParker - 1 (animorpherv1)
Thief - 1 (Molestargazer)

Not Voting - 0 (Mafuyu)

8 Alive, 5 To Lynch

[Wickedestjr]

Most of the case againts Rena is regarding destructor's behavior + gut + POE, however I'm also not liking how she didn't give any reads other than her read on Lowell day 2. She said this was because she didn't want to let scum know how well she was doing, but then gave us all her reads at the beginning of day 3.

I didn't want scum to know how well I was doing because I didn't want to be NK'ed. If the rest of my scumlist is as accurate as I think it is, then I guarantee scum would've NK'ed me. It also took way a bit of information from scum as to who they should form a bandwagon on early today; they don't know my scum reads and town reads, so they don't know whose I will happily vote, and they don't know whose lynch I will fight to the death to defend.

If you didn't want scum to know how well you were doing, then why did you give all your reads as soon as day 3 started?

That is really weak reasoning.

Not a whole lot of town reads developed on Page 2 have strong reasoning.

Well, Destructor said the evidence made Shadow Dancer "likely town". And what is the point of giving weak town reads anyway?

It is mostly a gut read but I don't like Destructor's strong defense of SD regardless of SD's allignment.

This needs to be explained more before I can defend against it.

From memory, he spent a lot of his energy doing just that which I didn't like. Thinking about it more, the point is actually more valid if SD is scum, because Destructor was afraid of SD getting lynched.

[Wickedestjr]

@wicked: My thoughts on lynching me: Stop fucking tunneling, %@&/%!. You are losing us this game![/b]

Scumslip. How does Shadow Dancer know I'm town? Can we please lynch him?

Please talk to ohim then. I think mafia is just now laughing in our faces because they think "wicked will never let go of SD and as long as he keeps tunneling town is unable to act".

Another scumslip. Again, how do you know I'm town? Also, why should they defend you instead of you defending yourself?

In more recent news, ani is scum with SD and Thief.

I don't think so.

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP: Rena is the third scum instead of animorph.

Mafuyu, SD is at L-3 now. I think it is safe to vote him.
animorph, DavidParker isn't getting lynched today unless the scum all switch over to his bandwagon. Move your vote to Shadow Dancer instead.
Molestargazer, it looks like it is between you and SD for who get's lynched. If you are townie that doesn't want to get lynched, you should vote Shadow Dancer and help us lynch him.

[Shadow Dancer]

Seriously wicked, reading your posts just makes me wanna vomit all over hte place.

You are asking

To make this clear: I have a hard time thinking

you

couldn't be scum. But your predecessor nopoint was my best town read D1 and your posts can very well be interpreted as narrow mindedness instead of scumminess.
Mole and Rena agreed on that, as you moght have seen, btw.

Also if I'd suddenly mark you as scum and FoS you or vote for you - what would yo say? "SD is OMGUS voting me, and he said he was sure I was town before. He is scum!" of course...

What you are doing is not searching for indications who might be scum.
What you are doing is searching for indication that I am scum under the premise that I definitely am and have to be brought down at all cost today.
That is not how scumhunting works.
That is not ayting reasonably.
This is not how anything should be done, damn it.

[DavidParker]

I have to agree it's between a Mole/SD lynch today, with a possible piece of Theif thrown in there as well.

My gut is telling me Mole is probably town, although he has acted rather scummily. The other two I think are scum. SD most so.

[Rena]

If you didn't want scum to know how well you were doing, then why did you give all your reads as soon as day 3 started?

I didn't want them to know how well I was doing because I didn't want to be NK'ed the first day I replaced in... I gave my reads as soon as day 3 started because you mentioned to me that you wanted them, and I didn't mind giving you my reads if they helped you...

Well, Destructor said the evidence made Shadow Dancer "likely town". And what is the point of giving weak town reads anyway?

People announce weak town reads early game all the time. It's like announcing weak scum reads in the beginning of the RVS to get the game going... it's not effective at all to say that "I have a slight scum read on X for so and so and a really small town read on Y..."; if you don't act if there's weight behind your words, there's no point at all in saying them.

[Shadow Dancer]

@DP: If you cannot deeper fathom what, as you claim, your gut is going to tell you no one will listen to you any way.

@wicked: And you should not listen to him, either.

@rena: Didn't you want to provide some more points in the case against mole? Whom else do you think is scum/we could lynch?

@mafuyu: What's about not writing a catchup post? Who is scum and why? You ought to have something more to say then "I wonder why Sd still lives vote SD I get cold feet unvote" after 22 pages, don't you think?

@mole: Using "my opinion does not count because lots of players consider me scum" is a lame excuse. There are also some players that announced that they think you're town or that they disagree on the waggon on you. Also you seem to be one of the few players in this game that are not complete morons. I explicitely appreciate your particicpation, even if my vote is still on you.

@ani: I really consider you a premium lynch in the meantime. You have not contributed one usefull thought so far.
Also, I think you should explain this quote:

This town is filled to the brim with idiots.

SO MANY IDIOT SCUMS, SO LITTLE TIME!

Do you suggest that al the "idiots" (in your eyes) are scum.
It is interesting that you seem to know quite clearly who is scum.
And why does that cause temporal problems for you?

@thief: You have disappeared again. You have not answered my questions so far. You better do not think I will just forget I ever uttered them if you just sit still long enough. I won't. I want an answer

today

or I'll do what ever is needed to lynch you.
You also werent very explicit about your suspect list, either, btw. How about explaining that a bit further?

However, it might be quite interesting that unlike every other day we still have no leading waggon. I'll take a look on the flow of votes and see if I can see any difference between the other days and today. My thesis is that scum will try to avoid waggoning their own kind today.

[animorpherv1]

unvote

. Depending on what SD claims, I'll take the hammer.

@SD:

Because the stupid things they are doing are scummy...

[DavidParker]

Wait, why are you saying you will take the hammer ahead of time? A hammer is something that should come. You shouldn't be waiting to vote for him just because you want to be the one who hammers. That, in itself, shows you are worried about your position on his bandwagon and want to make sure you get on at a time that is oppurtune to you. If you want him lynched, just vote him now.

He's only at L-3, and attempting to mislynch Mole right now.