ribwich #546 wrote:I disagree with this. Although I can't comment on if this is common for Katsuki, there's more to the lynch than just the lurking. There's been the couple of times to suggest that Kat actually has been paying attention to this thread. (I still don't think the first instance was really that strong of a case since there are ways to explain it, but when another one pops up it makes me rethink it.) Kat also tried calling Spy scum just for being called out on this behavior, which is probably the closest to omgus voting you can get in this game.
Granted, these could be interpreted as slips, but I've seen Katsuki do worse and still be town. I'd like to think that if we had less lurking from so many players and more talking, we could find something stronger to go on. There is a kind of opportunism at work here. Since most of the players are lurking, the scum can blend in with the town lurkers. With everyone tired of the long day and the inactivity, all the scum has to do is wait for someone to slip up, most likely town, and let that someone be mislynched. Katsuki would be perfect for this.
ribwich #546 wrote:Is there someone you think has a better case against them that isn't immune today and isn't claiming consulmaker?
This was difficult to answer. Off the top of my head I'd have said Powerrox93, since there is an actual scummy quality to his few posts. Mostly one-liners, very short comments and questions to others, but barely any thoughts of his own. However he appears to be new, and he is not all that much worse from many others. Mert has posted no actual content for nearly two weeks, despite promising it in his last post. horrordude0215 is the absolute worst player in game, for posting exactly twice. One of them was a limited access announcement, the other an announcement of being back and a promise of content by five days ago.
So, I tried to find someone with a better case on them, but failed. However, that does not change my opinion that the Katsuki case is weak, it just means that the state of the game is rather sad. If we had an active and competent replacement for Katsuki, that slot could probably be redeemed. But since I can't see anyone willing to jump in with Katsuki on death row (I sure wasn't), I don't see that happening. I suppose Katsuki has to go, we might even get lucky. I would really like some more activity tomorrow though.
I also did an ISO read of SensFan, trying to see if he would appear as scummy as during my first read of the thread. Some quotes and my thoughts below.
SensFan #186 wrote:That assumes my primary goal is to have a town tribunal, or even a scum execution for today. Neither of those assumptions would be correct.
SensFan #192 wrote:Information to give future executions a higher chance of success.
SensFan #227 wrote:As long as I am in this game, I'll track pseudovotes if the Mod doesn't. I'll be giving more weight to an empty post with a pseudovote than to a post with half a dozen perfect arguments with no pseudovote.
I really don't agree with these. The town should always aim to lynch scum, and in this game we would want to keep the power in town hands, if possible. I thought the plan of having a confirmed scum Consul tomorrow was horrible. We could not have trusted anything said Consul said or did not to lead us astray, all we would have gained would be lies and disinformation. I would never want to have that kind of WIFOM bomb dropped on me. I don't think that having one or two scum as Consuls some time would be that bad, since their actions could be analyzed once they were found out later.
Also, I would take the arguments over the pseudovotes any time. Telling the truth only takes a moment, but making up a credible lie is hard. We want to force the scum into lying to us, and we want to catch them lying. Just demanding for pseudovotes and definite stances would be letting the scum off easy, much too easy.
However, I do not find SensFan suspicious because of our differences in how to play the game. I've had some strange ideas myself as town, and been suspected for them. My problem is that SensFan has contradicted his own statements by his actions. chesskid3 was annoying, but trying to execute him did not serve information gathering in any way. No pseudovotes had been cast at that time, and few people had commented on chesskid3 yet, or anyone else. Executing Katsuki now is not much better.
I also wondered about SensFan posting his first execution attempt on the weekend after Thanksgiving. He later even said, in post #378, that he would likely not submit an execution while players capable of vetoing were away. There were no V/LA announcements beforehand, but he should have expected that the weekend after Thanksgiving was one of the most likely times for people to be away. I noticed his location says he is in Canada, so perhaps he was not aware of the holiday, but I still did not like this.
dramonic #551 wrote:I am comfortable with the Kats lynch. Nat better not reset the execution again, otherwise there will be frustration to be dealt with.
Feysal is NOT awesome =-=
There is already frustration to be dealt with, clearly evident from many reactions to the deadline extension. Lynching someone when frustrated is rarely a good idea.
If you have some problem with me, I'd like to know. At least I am talking, which this game needs more of. I was not responsible for the deadline extension, but I welcome it, and I'm trying to make the most of it.
