Micro (Normal) 828: Random Facts Mafia

[the worst]

@Gamma

what's the scum wincon?

[singletonking]

I mean Loyal Doc + Unprotectable Vig has been played before from first hand experience

And I’m pretty sure the informed modifier must provide objective information, not fakeclaim advice

[Elsa Jay]

Honestly Single, I'd be voting Worst now if you didnt instantly post a link to a game as evidence to show your existence. Too pre-planned and all that jazz.

You're also trying REALLY HARD to drill it in our head that that game proves your role.

[singletonking]

Well, that's not true. The game doesn't hard prove my role.
I linked the game for two separate reasons:

1. I wanted to show a breadcrumb which I laid at the start of the game
2. Some people were arguing that if I'm telling the truth then the setup is not balanced. However, a similar setup has been run before, with the same major power roles, so I used that game to argue against that.

[the worst]

Informed can be aware that a role does, or does not exist. :/ That is fakeclaim advice.

[the worst]

If a lynch on Singleton doesn't just end this I'm fine with being vigged.
scum!Jay would have played a sensational game.

[singletonking]

Yeah I'm finding it hard to think of Jay as scum

[Elsa Jay]

If a lynch on Singleton doesn't just end this I'm fine with being vigged.
scum!Jay would have played a sensational game.

Why must you throw the shade at me so much? I know I'm good at being scum but

damn

I'm legitimate here.

"Every game Jay is scum no matter his actual card."

Is that your thoughts?

Pedit: This game has already been narrowed down because we ruled out day 2 me being Aero's partner and Mala is the Vigilante. It is mostly up to whoever Mala picks, but this day is ending in one of you being murdered on the stand.

[the worst]

Jay, that's the opposite of what I'm saying.

I'm really really struggling with this because the three players I thought were strongly town are in LyLo with me.

Mala is town because she has clearly been the vigilante all along.
You are town because if you're scum you've been playing some ninja agenda I can't totally parse right now.

Like it literally has to be single fmpov (or {single, me}) fypov right?

[singletonking]

the worst do you have any games where you either:

- Got cornered as scum
- Incorrectly narrowed down as scum due to night actions

I know about this game but do you have others?

[the worst]

If I'm reading what you're asking for correctly this would be the best example of it, I think.
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76359

for the record, this is a game where I failed to kill town power roles as scum (and both of my buddies managed to get lynched d1-2) and as a result got nailed day 3.

The meta is getting cold tho, I've more recently scummed in
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76623 - town power roles were obliterated; I replaced into a scum IC slot lategame and just got completely pwnt by Reundo's strong day play. A good example of how I argue as scum (especially defeated scum), but not one in which I was mechanically cornered.

recent scum wins for reference:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77049
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76883

case me I dare you.

[singletonking]

I don't need to case you, you're obvious scum.

I've been trying to determine your behaviour in the last two pages. Right now night actions point to you objectively, but I've been involved in a game before where I thought some actions objectively proved a player to be scum but turned out to be wrong there. I probably shouldn't be ignoring your apparent gamesolving here, and while I feel like anything could be written off as "easily faked by scum", but I really don't want to fall into confbias here. Elsa still theoretically could be scum if he no killed, I'm just really doubting it at the moment.

Like one thing I see in common is that you started questioning the game's balance both here and the linked game.

And sorry but I did not phrase my question well enough I meant games where you were mechanically cornered. Like in the linked game you fakeclaimed hider and cleared almost all of the rest of the playerlist, leaving yourself as confirmed scum.

[Elsa Jay]

Consider my vote tentatively on Worst while I wait for Mala's resurgence. She may convince me otherwise.

If scum is gonna win, going for the one who has such an elaborate claim instead of the VT seems better to me.

As in, if single is the scum here at least he put in the effort.

[the worst]

Single, I am always going to call out bad balance. The fact that you're clearly only looking at one linked scumgame and not actually analysing my meta is the wolfiest thing you've done itt. I'm aware that if you actually are town fypov you've locked yourself into me vs. you but you're stuck in confirmation bias shit.

1) for every time I've been "caught scum", I've had bad reads but managed to catch scum later in the the game at LEAST once.
2) roleclaims which would cause a game to become imbalanced are obviously fake so my town incentive in pointing out that your claim is obviously fake should be pretty obvious?

Sharing is Caring (the game I linked) is the only time I have been mechanically caught scum, I'm pretty sure.

[the worst]

Jay are you reading what single is putting down? He's clearly pocketed you with this fake claim. No reviewer in their right mind would sign off on a doctor who can get townclears along with a vigilante in an 8p game unless scum can like shoot laser beams our of their faces.

Throwing games to people based on half assed fakeclaims is becoming such a trend. I think the subtle art of actually fucking playing mafia is dying a slow death.

[the worst]

Whatever. Lynch me and shoot single. If this is scum!Jay again I'd rather admit that he's gotten markedly better at scum and lose to good play rather than lose to a fakeclaim. Actually single has played it well, to his credit, but like it is a joke.

[Malakittens]

Hold pls I haven been feeling great today after work I’ll try to be here late er

[the worst]

c u l8r malalala

[Malakittens]

i hate being confirmed town bc i suck

idk i want to believe Skelton due to the modifier

but idk why i could see the worst, but what happens if its in fact elsa

[Elsa Jay]

... Mala. It's not me. You could have shot me 2 separate times already. But you didn't, because I'm not Aero's partner. One of them is.

[Malakittens]

only prob is scum has to have something maybe a Rb'r so i feel like IDK this could be the end for us if we are wrong

[the worst]

If scum have a roleblocker, it is singleton 100% of the time.

Lynch him, shoot me. Easy win.

[the worst]

I suppose I can town case Elsa if needed? He makes me hold my breath ~once a day, but it is a strong enough read that I'm quite sure lynching singleton ends the game.

[the worst]

If scum have a roleblocker, it is singleton 100% of the time.

i.e. he would have roleblocked Elsa Jay before Mala, and it would explain the night two holster since his scumbuddy could not perform the kill.

I think he's more likely a goon with a fakeclaim, or a mafia loyal doctor.

[singletonking]

Single, I am always going to call out bad balance. The fact that you're clearly only looking at one linked scumgame and not actually analysing my meta is the wolfiest thing you've done itt.

{snip}

What? How can you say that when I have asked for more of your meta? And the wolfiest thing? I am aware that I do not have much meta so I ask for more while still building on what I have, how is that scummy in any way?

Jay are you reading what single is putting down? He's clearly pocketed you with this fake claim. No reviewer in their right mind would sign off on a doctor who can get townclears along with a vigilante in an 8p game unless scum can like shoot laser beams our of their faces.

Throwing games to people based on half assed fakeclaims is becoming such a trend. I think the subtle art of actually fucking playing mafia is dying a slow death.

Why are you ignoring the fact that a game with a Vig and loyal Doc has been approved by the NRG before?