Open 594: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Randomnamechange]

randomidget (1) Inquisitor
House (1) texcat
(

Not voting

) numberQ, House, randomidget, davesaz, Reubus Swagrid, Aneninen
8 alive; 5 votes lynch.

Tracker here, n1 reubus dose nothing n2 anen does nothing.

[House]

Tracker here, n1 reubus dose nothing n2 anen does nothing.

Yeah... I wasn't keen on voting you even w/out the claim.

[Aneninen]

I did send a Nightkill and it never arrived.

So, if Randomidget is telling the truth, I've been Roleblocked. (That means, we have a Roleblocker too.)

However, I can see no viable scenarios where Randomidget is lying.

(1) Tracking me and saying that I visited nothing would be very risky. He couldn't know that I would say I'd been Roleblocked. In fact, unless Mitey targetted the Roleblocker at Night1 and the scums have Daytalk, he couldn't even have known about having a Roleblocker at all.
(2) If he's lyning and haven't Tracked me at all, where is my Nightkill? The only possibility would be the following: the player I targetted is Bulletproof Mafia. But in that case, there would be a liar

and

a scum and that simply doesn't add up.

________

The question is: could we win if we know who the Roleblocker is and we discuss every Night Action in public?

8 players, 1 scum, 3 PRs.
That means 5 unconfirmed players. Say, A, B, C, D, E.
We lynch A. Randomidget Tracks B, the Roleblocker Blocks C, I kill D. The scum kills one of us. Let's say, me.

Next Day. We have B, C, E. (If D is alive, they're Bulletproof Mafia.)
If there's a positive result on B, lynch B, otherwise E. (C is not confirmable, the Mafia can Nightkill D too.) Let's say, we lynch E. Randomidget Tracks B, the Roleblocker blocks C. The Mafia kills Randomidget.

Next Day. We have B and C and the Roleblocker. If the kill has been successful, it must have been B (C was Roleblocked). Lynch. If there was No Kill, it's still either B or C (the Mafia chose No Kill to WIFOM-ize), but Randomidget is alive. We lynch B... and C can't Nightkill because of getting Roleblocked. Game solved.

If the Mafia Kills Randomidget first (instead of me), we have B, C and E. We lynch E. The Roleblocker blocks C again, I kill B. Mafia kills me. We have C and a Roleblocker (if B is alive, he's Bulletproof Mafia, so instant lynch), which is a draw or scum win (according to the rules). Since we started with 5 unconfirmed players, there's 20% for that. If Mafia kills the Roleblocker, there's C and me, which is a draw (unless C is Bulletproof), that's 20%.

If the Mafia kills the Roleblocker first, we have B, C and E next Day. We lynch B, I kill E and the situation is similar. The Mafia kills me and wins, because the Tracker can't do anything about their next shot. 20%.

In the latter two cases I still can choose No Kill and it's a 3-player LyLo with a possible Tracking result. (Mind the possibility of a JOAT, which can send a Ninja-shot!)

If we have a Bodyguard too, the game is broken for sure.

________

Point out the errors in my thoughts!

[Aneninen]

Wait, it's even better. If I'm still alive next Day, I can choose No Kill the Night after. That means a 2:1 for the last Day with a Roleblocker or me (which is either win or draw), or with Randomidget (which is a town win).

By the way, you may think that I'm lying. Actually the Roleblocker can confirm me if I'm close to Lynch. Let's assume that I'm scum. Who killed RIP then? I was Blocked so my shoot didn't reach the target, regardless of being a Vig or a Mafia. See?

[Randomnamechange]

I'm confused

[texcat]

Let's not get carried away. I'm far from convinced of Random's claim. It looks fairly safe to say that Anen went no where last night. After all, only RIP was killed and I don't think Aneninen would have killed RIP. As for Reubus going no where, I'm not so sure. Reubus, have you given away any clues that you are vanilla?

[texcat]

A Goon Cop, a Vig, a Tracker, and a Roleblocker. Four roles for town means that scum picked two powers. We've only seen the Role Cop.

[texcat]

@mod

Could we get some prods for the people who have not appeared on Day 4? Also I note that the thread heading still shows Night 3?

[numberQ]

Sorry, I saw the PM about daystart but then promptly forgot about it.

With one scum left, my money's on random or Swagrid. I'm far too tired on Benadryl at the moment to read through Ane's and tex's reactions to random's claim (I believe they're the only 2 who reacted? besides House's non-reaction), but I will say my first thought is: Why did you claim, random? You didn't have any tracks, you were not close to being lynched, and no one was asking you to.

Until about Wednesday next week, I won't be able to give a lot of attention to this game because of finals. I wouldn't quite say it's VLA, but I still want to give a heads up.

[Randomnamechange]

Same reason as anen. With one scum left in an open we should massclaim and figure out the liars.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Sorry, I saw the PM about daystart but then promptly forgot about it.

With one scum left, my money's on random or Swagrid. I'm far too tired on Benadryl at the moment to read through Ane's and tex's reactions to random's claim (I believe they're the only 2 who reacted? besides House's non-reaction), but I will say my first thought is: Why did you claim, random? You didn't have any tracks, you were not close to being lynched, and no one was asking you to.

Until about Wednesday next week, I won't be able to give a lot of attention to this game because of finals. I wouldn't quite say it's VLA, but I still want to give a heads up.

So you're suggesting that I would hammer and vote both scum and hope to solo town, knowing that there are town PR's in the setup which could make short work of me rather quickly. Mitey had a chance to get away, if he were my scumbuddy why would I have voted him and put him at L-1? You would also be suggesting that I bussed scum D1, rather than letting someone else do it as I think scum would?

Picking at low hanging fruit mate

[Aneninen]

Let's not get carried away. I'm far from convinced of Random's claim. It looks fairly safe to say that Anen went no where last night. After all, only RIP was killed and I don't think Aneninen would have killed RIP. As for Reubus going no where, I'm not so sure. Reubus, have you given away any clues that you are vanilla?

You might be right. However, that still would have been a risky thing if Random were scum. 8 players, 1 PR is out, 1 PR is me and there are 1–3 other PRs. (If he were scum he would know the answer for that, unless he were a Traitor.) He could have chosen anyone else for his Tracking fake-claim and with a 67% chance he would have found a VT. Also, there's no Innocent Child. There's a known Goon Cop and a Vig. He could have been (or could be, if he's faking) counter-claimed by a real Tracker, which would mean an auto-loss.

A Goon Cop, a Vig, a Tracker, and a Roleblocker. Four roles for town means that scum picked two powers. We've only seen the Role Cop.

I'm virtually confirmed. If I ever got near to lynch, the Roleblocker would confirm me. (Yet again: if I were scum, it would be sure that Random was telling the truth. I got Roleblocked, regardless of my alignment. But, if that were true, who would have sent the Nightkill? There can't be "another" wig. If there were, I would have been counterclaimed on Day2!)

So you're suggesting that I would hammer and vote both scum and hope to solo town, knowing that there are town PR's in the setup which could make short work of me rather quickly. Mitey had a chance to get away, if he were my scumbuddy why would I have voted him and put him at L-1? You would also be suggesting that I bussed scum D1, rather than letting someone else do it as I think scum would?

That sounds like a WIFOM.
Basically, both Jeanne and Mitey were going down. Regardless of your vote.

By the way, during the Night I checked a couple of things and I don't think House is the remaining scum.

[Randomnamechange]

Yeah, this feels like town house.

[davesaz]

Scum can know how many roles but not which ones. Tending to believe claims so far. Wondering about Inquisitor. Reubus not cleared by no action n1. Mobile post will try to add later.

[texcat]

By the way, during the Night I checked a couple of things and I don't think House is the remaining scum.

Could you explain?

[House]

By the way, during the Night I checked a couple of things and I don't think House is the remaining scum.

Could you explain?

He checked his role PM and noticed my name wasn't listed.

[House]

I'm being sarcastic, btw... I'm not reading Anen as scum. I was leaning that way, but his recent posting is hella town. He's way too excited about what he's figured out earlier on in this page for it to be a fabrication. It feels legit.

[Aneninen]

By the way, during the Night I checked a couple of things and I don't think House is the remaining scum.

Could you explain?

Later, Texcat. I found something in his posts which, unless I'm an idiot, is a towntell.

By the way, during the Night I checked a couple of things and I don't think House is the remaining scum.

Could you explain?

He checked his role PM and noticed my name wasn't listed.

You're a genius!
Your name wasn't listed in my Role PM, because it contained none of your names. ^_^

________

The player I like least now is Davesaz.
(1) I've played with him a couple of times and as a town, he was a mislynch magnet many times. But now, he's cautious and hardly posts anything. (With 19 posts he's the second least frequent poster in this game.)

(2) Let's check his ISO.
131 may be genuine but it happened shortly after Jeanne's terribly scummy post.
160 looks as an attempt to "soft-clear" her.
His next post is 382. At that point Jeanne was at L–1. He answered a post from Randomidget. Leaving out 120 posts and answering a relatively new one while someone was at L–1... It mmmmight not be scummy but it's definitely not constructive.
388 Asks Inquisitor about his naked vote. Very little conversation with him in 403. This, and 402 (asking House) and 405 (answering NumberQ about Reubus), maybe 424 (about me and my questions) looks like he'd been trying to "test the waters" all the time. 432 (Inquisitor again) confirms this.

(3) Assuming House is town, 577 is scummy. Not only the vote, but also the soft-defense he made on Mitey.

VOTE: Davesaz

[davesaz]

It's actual lack of time. Sometimes I'm on top of things and sometimes I'm not.

I don't see why you think 424 is testing the waters -- I wasn't sure what you were actually trying to ask.
House's defense of Jeanne was scummy, and his reaction to the discussion on it was moreso. What's the townslip you're referring to?
Mitey's behavior was lurky, so I wasn't convinced at that time.

[davesaz]

I said Inquisitor wasn't inquisitive enough. At the time I was extremely short of time and it was not convenient to post quotes.

BBT probably got shot because he was too town, and I didn't put any stock into the scumslip thing.
I don't know why you're pushing this idea so hard, Anen.

Honestly I'm just waiting for Anen to deliver

something

. I've seen absolutely nothing that warrants me moving my vote.

Aneninen (1) randomidget
House (1) texcat
MiteyMouse (3) RIP, numberQ, Inquisitor
(Not voting) House, davesaz, Reubus Swagrid, MiteyMouse, Aneninen
10 alive; 6 votes lynch.

VOTE: Mitey
I'm okay with rolling with my townreads on this one. I'm not really sure where to go from here so maybe they see something that I don't.

Pedit: It happens, not trying to be mean or anything. If anything, it ties up a loose end which is still nice.

Honestly the scumteam is probably something boring like Mitey/random.
I can't come up with reasons to lynch anyone else in the game aside from those two.

I see a lot of going with the flow here. No controversial stances, no attempt to hunt scum or determine anyone's alignment. Perfect place to hide as scum, and being on both wagons in a primarily sheeping role just adds to that.
VOTE: Inquisitor

[davesaz]

Hmm, thought i had more quotes there...

[davesaz]

VOTE: Jeanne

Reubus Swagrid (1) davesaz
Inquisitor (2) Reubus Swagrid, Aneninen
BlueBloodedToffee (2) Jeanne11, RIP
Jeanne11 (3) BlueBloodedToffee, Inquisitor, numberQ
randomidget (1) texcat
RIP (1) MiteyMouse
numberQ (1) randomidget
(Not voting) Creative
12 alive. 7 votes lynch.

Congrats, you have a brain. Most of others I've played before on those other sites have none. Nice to meet someone with a brain. I am Jeanne.

^That one was a response to your questions. Also, suppose you're right and I am scum. Lynching me helps you nothing in this case, for you only would manage to cut off one head of the dragon and have a couple more to contend with, whom may or not be easy to catch.

Are you, like, claiming scum?

Picture yourself as scum. You naked RVS vote your partner, and then by the time you come back you find this going down. This looks like a scum version of "OMG

please

say it's a joke". He obviously can't abandon the wagon without Jeanne giving him a reason.

[texcat]

As much as I want House to be scum, I think Aneninen makes a pretty good case for Dave.
UNVOTE: House
VOTE: daveaz

Re 602. Coordinating PR night targets might make sense. In order to leave some wine for scum though, would it make sense to let Random track either A or B and Aneninen vig C or D and the roleblocker could block E or F. (If the roleblocker hasn't claimed there would be 6 unknowns.)

[Inquisitor]

Dave, I'm sorry if town unanimously decides that your team is really obvious and makes their lynches uncontroversial but them's the breaks.

[Inquisitor]

"Sheeping thread sentiment onto scum is scummy."

Seriously.
Dave.