Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Past Present Future]

You also want us to get run up just to make us claim other than you actually have any valid reason to sr us and since it’s extremely clear that MMR lied, it doesn’t even make sense to me why after that flip you’re even pushing for this.

[Past Present Future]

I don’t understand why post MMR flip, anyone would be that extremely interested in us claiming but we do have a role that automatically passively takes effect when we die and that’s fucking all you’re getting out of me.

[Past Present Future]

@furtive you obviously already know from Trees that I never succumb to pressure especially as town, so why would you think I would now?

Claiming your role isn't 'succumbing', it's helping Town by giving us information.

What part of it not being confirmable are you not getting?

So that was a lie then.

Where did we lie? I said we could hopefully possibly be confirmable today. Neither head said that claiming our role was. Are you being intentionally obtuse here?

Just my previous question then. Meuhstina claimed to get Lunar/Solar alignment,

which everyone supposedly has

. Neither result would confirm you. So how did you think you would get confirmed by a check?

Well I obviously didn’t know that. That’s why I was confused when unwnd flipped vt. I just figured Meuh could get checks that differentiate tprs from cults but any of watcher, tracker or jk/roleblocker could have also confirm me but probably won’t until noon phase but watcher actually might.

My point obviously being that unless anyone thinks we were a failed MMR bus, we’re pretty much almost confirmed not to be lunar cult, so any of those actions performed on us during noon phase could have and we still can be confirmed next noon phase but since I obviously wrongly assumed that everyone who’s town here besides Math who actually sr me in Pokemon Doubles despite claiming a hard guilty on scum, would tr us after that flip, so it really boggles my mind after it was proven that MMR lied that we’re still even in this position.

[Past Present Future]

I don’t understand why post MMR flip, anyone would be that extremely interested in us claiming but we do have a role that automatically passively takes effect when we die and that’s fucking all you’re getting out of me.

MMR claimed a guilty on you for a reason.

I

highly

doubt you’re that level of PR.

So it’s more likely you’re scum.

I swapped off you to MMR because you were confirmable.

Our role does affect the game when we die. When we die, you will find out I was telling the truth, so believe whatever tf you want or not, up to you and yes, that is a partial hardclaim.

[Past Present Future]

It’s the main reason I want to see you do reads more than a claim of a PR I am unlikely to believe.

Town you is opinionated. Scum you is excuse heavy. This seems like scum you.

So I am trying to encourage you to post reads rather than some claim.

I have given reads, so has Titus and I’m very obviously solving. You conveniently forget that I solve best when I’m not continually fighting off bad srs, so if you want us to do more than back off or not, up to you but I find it extremely difficult to much of anything else when I keep having to deal with this shit.

Talk about anything other than us and you will see more.

[Past Present Future]

partial hardclaim

This seems oxymoronic

How so? I didn’t even want to claim that much yet but yes, our flip does impact the game. This will be 100% be proven true and I’m specifically referring to our role here. Our role directly impacts the game once we de.

[Past Present Future]

I absolutely regret not vigging you and going for what I thought town agreed upon and what I thought was hero shot.

Pedit: I did

And you did nothing.

Are you really that blind that you seriously cannot see that’s exactly what scum wanted to happen?

[Past Present Future]

Going to play Harvestella and eat dinner.

Here’s another chance to prove me wrong.

Nothing I say is getting through to you and nothing will. You tried to miselim me in Pokemon Doubles despite me having a hard guilty on scum. If that didn’t knock sense into you, why would anything else I say here even matter? You are wrongly deathtunnelled on us and I’m not going to continue banging my head against a brick wall, when clearly absolutely nothing is getting through to you.

[Past Present Future]

partial hardclaim

This seems oxymoronic

How so? I didn’t even want to claim that much yet but yes, our flip does impact the game. This will be 100% be proven true and I’m specifically referring to our role here. Our role directly impacts the game once we de.

I'm not questioning your claim, nor do I think you should out more than you already have (considering you seem to think it'd be bad). The wording of a "partial hardclaim" just stuck out to me!

No, I didn’t think you were, thanks for clarifying.

[Past Present Future]

Fire, the voice of reason here. In what world did MMR NOT lie and fake a guilty on us? Do I need to keep posting the role flip?

I’m running out of brain cells because they keep spontaneously combusting at the sheer mind boggling bat shit insane nonsence I keep reading. Make it stop.

[Past Present Future]

MMR was eliminated. Their role was

Spoiler:

Lunar Starmaster

Spoiler: Role PM

You are a

Lunar Starmaster

While you are alive, whenever your faction successfully performs a

factional

action on a player, you will

passively

learn the role of the target. If your faction targets a member of the

Solar Cult

, you will receive a result of vanilla, regardless of the target's role.
[REDACTED]
You win when your faction makes up half of the living players, and no members of the

Solar Cult

are alive.

Nero Cain replaces mastina.

Noon 1 Begins! The summer heat asks people to return to the cool comforts of their own home, lest they face heat stroke.

Deadline 1 day*
Deadline will be frozen at 1 day until a replacement for Yume is found.

T-Bone must PM me this phase or I will seek replacement.

I will literally spam the thread with this until people buy a clue.
This was clearly referring to Prof. Ffs, I can’t keep arguing what’s beyond blatantly fucking obvious.

[Past Present Future]

MMR was eliminated. Their role was

Lunar Starmaster

[/spoiler]

Spoiler: Role PM

You are a

Lunar Starmaster

While you are alive, whenever your faction successfully performs a

factional

action on a player, you will

passively

learn the role of the target. If your faction targets a member of the

Solar Cult

, you will receive a result of vanilla, regardless of the target's role.
[REDACTED]
You win when your faction makes up half of the living players, and no members of the

Solar Cult

are alive.

Nero Cain replaces mastina.

Noon 1 Begins! The summer heat asks people to return to the cool comforts of their own home, lest they face heat stroke.

Deadline 1 day*
Deadline will be frozen at 1 day until a replacement for Yume is found.

T-Bone must PM me this phase or I will seek replacement.

I will literally spam the thread with this until people buy a clue.
This was clearly referring to Prof. Ffs, I can’t keep arguing what’s beyond blatantly fucking obvious.

FACTIONAL anc PASSIVE are the clues. I don’t know I need to continue to repeat the obvious.

[Past Present Future]

If scum has so many recruits, how do we ever win?

Also Math, you hint a lot at how your flip will reveal a lot. What happens if lunars janitor you...?

If scum has so many recruits, how do we ever win?

Also Math, you hint a lot at how your flip will reveal a lot. What happens if lunars janitor you...?

Solar likely recruits every other day. Unwd’s play matched what I would expect a player to do with that pattern.

It’s not a lot but I am the balancing for it.

Like I can’t explain as it’s way too pro scum.

I doubt every lunar kill is a janitor so it’s a risk I gotta take.

If lunar kills and janitors me and you know I am town you’ll know I had mechanical reasons to think what I did.

If lunar just kills me then you KNOW why I think that.

Wait, what? I thought MMR was janitor?

Yes, I’m glad you mentioned that as well. That seemed to point to thar because in FFIV Elsa was janitor and that’s how they learned of a flipped player’s specific role. But Elsa posted that in the scum pt of that game what the flipped player’s actual role was.

I think Toog was in that game, so he can maybe confirm that or I can just look that up?

[Past Present Future]

@Fire I would like nothing more than to stop talking about it. Math keeps saying I’m not doing enough but I can’t focus on anything else until people start using their grey matter. Not my fault.

[Past Present Future]

I never ever said anything of the kind. It’s not protown to eliminate me. But I know that’s in scum’s best interest to do that.

[Past Present Future]

PPF, Ignore math for a bit. I don't think we ever went past that step, and i'm feeling civil today so let's keep going.

Next question for PPF:

Assume lunar did not target PPF with a factional action/MMR did not learn the role of PPF. Why did MMR claim a guilty on PPF, someone who they were townreading, knowing that if that vote went through on town, it would be certain death?

I need a better answer than "MMR lied." Why did MMR lie?

Is it because they were a useless role now that they had used up their 1-shot janitor? Numbers are important in multiball, even a goon is valuable to keep alive.

I really wish that was possible but nothing I say is getting through to him like we knew we were his preferred vig target and he continues to keep ignoring that as well.

If MMR had any kind of guilty on us, why didn’t they vote us until they were in actual danger? I think maybe they could have possibly been informed about my role existing. They kept changing their claim, so I think they might have thought it was us who had that role. It looked to me like they were straight up trying to rolefish me. And maybe something we said might have possibly tipped them off. We had assumed role cop but informed is also very likely.

[Past Present Future]

ignore math, talk to me

This is Math like every fucking game jsyk. In Pokemon Doubles, I had a hard guilty on scum!Dwlee and Math under an alt tried to get my slot miselimed and because I didn’t know it was actually Math, I wasted one of my three invests on him because I was sure his slot had to be scum but no, he was just unwittingly helping scum out by trying to miselim the slot with the hard guilty.

[Past Present Future]

ignore math, talk to me

This is Math like every fucking game jsyk. In Pokemon Doubles, I had a hard guilty on scum!Dwlee and Math under an alt tried to get my slot miselimed and because I didn’t know it was actually Math, I wasted one of my three invests on him because I was sure his slot had to be scum but no, he was just unwittingly helping scum out by trying to miselim the slot with the hard guilty.

?? I don’t think I was in that game??

Yeah you were. It was the one where Pooky vigged his teammate Gypyx and town killed the player who had a guilty on him, Wisdom and pocketed SirCakes lapped up his bs and miselimed obvtown Bell hydra and we lost.

[Past Present Future]

Like it’s possible and I have had shitty games where I defended scum ala Pooky in the normal but I generally have reasons.

But my slot claimed a hard guilty on Dwlee and you voted me and tried to push for my miselim and I copped you next because you initially played under an alt, so had I known it was actually you, I maybe could have copped Pooky. I think the other scum was Imaginality who was gf and my slot was informed of a gf being in the game.

Well, my theory is that maybe Lunar was informed of our role existing in the game and if you recall MMR claimed to hard tr us the day before, so they rolefished us and maybe it was my response to their rolestopper comment or something that did it? I think they probably realized from that we were unlikely vt.

[Past Present Future]

Holy shit can you two stop already. It's the same back and forth for literally the entire day.

Did you read the FFIV scum pt because I think Elsa knew T3’s role in that?

[Past Present Future]

Our role only helps scum if we get miselimed. It’s antitown to continue to rolefish us so if we’re actually wrong on you, you need to stop. If it would actually help town for us to die during the day, I’d self-vote but it’s the opposite.

[Past Present Future]

I don't care about what your role is beyond "PR" and "I don't want to die". I care about why MMR guiltied you, and I think the most likely explanation is (1) from above, and I want to ask if you have a response to that.

I already explained that they didn’t. I’m not going to repeat my posts multiple times. I explained why I’m so convinced their flip was about Prof who’s tictac head was also in FFIV, not sure if that played any part in that or not.

[Past Present Future]

I don't care about what your role is beyond "PR" and "I don't want to die". I care about why MMR guiltied you, and I think the most likely explanation is (1) from above, and I want to ask if you have a response to that.

Well our role has no active abilities and has a passive one after we die. So make of that what you will.

[Past Present Future]

Each night, we target a player to see if they're VT or not. If they're not Town or our action doesn't go through, we get no result.
-Rubella

I can check somebody tonight. I'll probably go with a TR.
-Rubella

I meant SR.
It was a slip of the tongue.
-Rubella

Hmmm . . . this is very interesting in light of their flip.

[Past Present Future]

Who are your TRs? Outside of Mastina and PPF and me?

I wouldn't say that PPF and mastina are TRs; both are nullish.

RR could be Town because they seem to genuinely want to solve the game, even though they're not right.
I think that T-Bone and Enchant can also be Town.
I don't really have a read on most of the others.
-Rubella

Yeah, proof that MMR lied.

[Past Present Future]

Intent to vote MMR which will likely result in hammer as people said they are sheeping me will move

Get last thoughts in soon. Probably 30 minutes ish til I vote

This hardly qualifies as intent to hammer. Standard protocol is generally 24 hours.
~Mumps

What

What I am saying is that this is merely MathBlade posturing. If he truly wanted to give us time to give final reads, he would give at least 24 hours.

Anyway, my reads (which are totally not vetted by my partners) is something like PPF, mastina, and MathBlade are all scum. Yume, furtive, Dingle Dangle, Enchant, and T-Bone are town. No opinion on everyone else.
~Mumps

And now the same exact slots they previously claimed to be tr are scum.

But last post, they pivot again on Dangle.

[Past Present Future]

Tl;Dr I don't think that PPF should be vigged over mastina.
-Rubella

Further proof that their claim was bs.

[Past Present Future]

I’m rolefishing now but that sounds like not a good response to loyal neowhwyeber

Yeah neither is MMR not voting for PPF

It’s why I wanna elim one and vig the other.

What happens if one of us flips Town?
I think that you should save your vig shot on mastina if you eliminate us today.
Because, once we flip, it should be obvious that mastina's role has a high chance of being scum's equivalent of our role.
-Rubella

They were hardpushing Mastina slot not us.

[Past Present Future]

Oh yeah it was a total BS claim but why did they do it?

I already gave my theories but I’m re-ISOing them in case I missed something.

[Past Present Future]

Oh you mean that announcement…that’s a stretch :/

It was mostly the idea of Mumps.
He wanted to see if PPF was Town or Lunar. (He strongly believed that PPF couldn't be Solar.)
-Rubella

This is wild.

[Past Present Future]

? Can you explain your post to us more?

Assuming that you're talking to us, we're a Loyal Rolestopper.
-Rubella

Why would you protect us over claimed prs?

Mumps and Measles wanted to see your reaction.
We're actually Loyal Neapolitan.
I guess that your reaction means that you're Town.
-Rubella

This is all I got but I think that MMR is probably never aligned with Fire/FA. Way too much back and forth for that. Plus I hard tr FA and this looks like town!Fire to me as well.

[Past Present Future]

UNVOTE:

I think I could have possibly been wrong on Scarf. Their attempt to solve me looks genuine.

[Past Present Future]

The problem is PPF
I /agree/ with Scarf that MMR's behaviour makes the most sense under the assumption that they got a vanilla result on you.
I have a strong TR on you by play, but Scarf's analysis makes perfect sense to me. You keep saying it's obvious that MMR just completely made their result up, but that doesn't make sense to me. I think they had something, or they wouldn't have come forward in the first place.

I’m not going to keep repeating a gazillion times more why this is wrong. In FFIV Elsa janitored T3 and found out their role. I don’t know why so many people seem to think I’m stupid when I know from FFIV that makes the most sense.

[Past Present Future]

UNVOTE:

I think I could have possibly been wrong on Scarf. Their attempt to solve me looks genuine.

Sorry I'm behind but what made you change your mind on Scarf?

It just looks like he’s genuinely trying to solve me. I’ve been slogging through MMR’s posts and it’s blatantly clear that they wouldn’t have trying to kill Mastina if they ever checked me. I think they might have been informed about my role and that’s why they rolefished me.

If after all the effort I’ve put into this and I still get miselimed it won’t be on me.

[Past Present Future]

I mean it’s possible he could now be pocketing me but it sounds pretty genuine. \_0_/

[Past Present Future]

@T-Bone I already explained my reasoning. It’s because I was scum in FFIV and Elsa janitored T3. That’s why I asked Toog if he read the scum pt. He was town in that, so I don’t know whether he did or not.

Math is ignoring pretty much everything I’ve been saying like both me and Titus knew he was planning to vig us, so unless Math thinks that Solar doesn’t have a factional killing ability, why would scum!us not kill him? You can think we’re scum all you like but actually thinking we’re complete idiots here is beyond insulting.

So I don’t understand Scarf, why are you still voting us then?

And Math you’re wrong as usual and I swear I’m going to lose it on you if you call me “toxic” one more time. I take that extremely personally because I have taken extreme pains to do the exact opposite of that and you are constantly provoking me with that. It’s also not true that I haven’t been trying and that’s also really pissing me off. You are the main reason I’m not doing more because I’m fucking sick to death of you’re trying to control the game and not listen to anyone else and Titus is as well.

And yes Math if we die today, it’s definitely bad for town, the best use of our role would be to yeet us just before elo because to do it before then hurts town.

[Past Present Future]

The question we need to ask, then, is whether a SECOND factional ability was used by the Lunars on PPF Night 1. And that, specifically, is what I'd like to hear opinions on.

Yes to a second factional ability

T-bone claimed someone tried to burn him -- I'm inclined to believe him and that this was a solar factional action

Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this

Assuming Lunar can't act during Noon, this implies Solar had two actions. It's possible (1) Meuh was killed and (2) TBone was burned, which'd be 2 factional abilities

And ik you asked about Lunar, but if Solar can have 2 as abilities, Lunar can too

I really don’t think Solar have a kill.
It’s likely a negative ability if you’re telling the truth.

What mafia game ever does scum not have a factional kill? And T-Bone is giving me shit for my mech analysis?

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

[Past Present Future]

Math is ignoring pretty much everything I’ve been saying like both me and Titus knew he was planning to vig us, so unless Math thinks that Solar doesn’t have a factional killing ability, why would scum!us not kill him? You can think we’re scum all you like but actually thinking we’re complete idiots here is beyond insulting.

yeah I think this is a decent point worth talking about?

I think you’re Solar.

Lunar wouldn’t kill me and Solar I don’t think has a kill.

So it’s inability not idiotic.

So you seriously think scum!Yume repped out after Mastina got force replaced? You’re making my head hurt with how bad your takes are.

When Yume obvtowns like she did, she’s never scum and I think Meuh slot was probably locktown post flip, so I can definitely believe scum would target her.

And I think one faction not having a kill is simply just nuts with respect to game balance.

[Past Present Future]

What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?

I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability

. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted them

You’re not reading Math, CSF said kill OR negative ability. That means that Solar does in fact have a killing ability.

[Past Present Future]

What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?

I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability

. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted them

You’re not reading Math, CSF said kill OR negative ability. That means that Solar does in fact have a killing ability.

There’s no logical reason why CSF would have that specified in their role pm if kills did not exist.

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Here, it clearly states that CSF can determine kill or neg utility during the noon phase, which means Solar has a killing ability.

CSF can clarify but nothing in this remotely supports your theory Math.

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Here, it clearly states that CSF can determine kill or neg utility during the noon phase, which means Solar has a killing ability.

CSF can clarify but nothing in this remotely supports your theory Math

.

Cool so it’s likely the second or Yume/CSF scum.

Thanks.

I predict scum probably never tries to kill you because no one else could ever possibly have this conclusion.

If anyone dares to give me anymore shit about my mech takes, I refer you to 5208 which absolutely takes the cake.

[Past Present Future]

Now you think furtive and us are aligned? He tried to out my role claim. I can’t read anymore Mathblade posts. Please make it stop.

[Past Present Future]

5135 isn't too unreasonable after the unwnd flip and with mastina and math as two town reads of mine

VOTE: Enchant

Anyone opposed to this?

I think this post looks bad fwiw but since it's multiball I get to pile onto this vote anyways

It’s with furtive who I also think is Solar but I don’t think Furtive or PPF get votes for an elim.

Yeah CSF/Furtive solar/solar is reasonable

I feel like a Furtive elim is possible? But maybe not at this general activity level. Guess Enchant works fine and hopefully we're better off tomorrow.

I am getting really apathetic tbh.

The fact PPF won’t talk with other slots is getting old.

How am I not talking with other slots? Honestly, if this was anyone but you with these whack takes, I’d 100% be voting you here.

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Here, it clearly states that CSF can determine kill or neg utility during the noon phase, which means Solar has a killing ability.

CSF can clarify but nothing in this remotely supports your theory Math.

I disagree that anything about CSF's role implies that Solar necessarily has a kill. CSF can check someone during the Night phase, and finds out if they were targeted with *a kill OR factional ability* during the *Night OR following Noon phase* (correct this if it's a wrong interpretation please CSF but I believe this is correct to what you've said?)

That doesn't necessitate Solar having a kill and correlates fine with Math's theory.

I'd appreciate if you tried your hardest to pretend that Math posts don't exist and provided some other form of content that doesn't relate to him.

If Solar didn’t have kills, CSF would only be able to check for negative utility, the fact that she can check for either clearly means that they must exist.

[Past Present Future]

Now you think furtive and us are aligned? He tried to out my role claim. I can’t read anymore Mathblade posts. Please make it stop.

Then don't!!!!!

Am I just supposed to not read his posts? I’m open to helpful advice so long as it’s realistic which this isn’t.

[Past Present Future]

Now you think furtive and us are aligned? He tried to out my role claim. I can’t read anymore Mathblade posts. Please make it stop.

Then don't!!!!!

Am I just supposed to not read his posts? I’m open to helpful advice so long as it’s realistic which this isn’t.

Not reading posts is easy.

Look at me

It’s just extemely aggravating to be constantly told and not just by but mainly by Math that my sound logical takes are wrong. And maybe that’s a major personality flaw but I find it extremely hard just to keep my mouth shut whenever that happens but I guess I’ll just have to try a lot harder.

[Past Present Future]

Or even just reading and then very intentionally not responding to them

It’s kind of hard not to respond to posts about me. Titus is even more bothered by it than I am. There’s probably no point in trying to explain it to you since I doubt you understand. :/

[Past Present Future]

please don't let this be a game where we keep killing cultists but our wincon is to kill the recruiter

It definitely isn't. Cults are the flavour name for the scumteams.

Why do you think there's no recruiter?

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: enchant

so the feeling i have about furitive is i feel bad for them, which is a feeling i usually only get about mafia, so i hope you guys vote out furitive without me, but if you don't enchant is ok too.

Lunatics (derogatory term for lunar mafia), PPF is now your problem.

I don’t understand this? Why are we specifically a problem for Lunars? Why aren’t we also a problem for Solars?

It’s straight up in both teams’ interests to get me miselimed, so I don’t expect scum to stop pushing me anytime soon.

[Past Present Future]

No one is scumreading me, so I can afford to be off wagon if furitive has a scumflip. It's a bit selfish, but more information for me.

Also I prefer toogeloo because I also have the same feeling with PPF where I see where furitive /could/ be town, like how I saw how PPF /could/ be town. Toogeloo is either scum based on their bad actions yesterday or completely useless town, so I am happier getting them out.

This logic is really really weird. So weird I have no idea how to read it. Maybe once my headache goes away I'll have some insight on it...

For now I'm just going to follow my heart.
VOTE: furtiveglance

I won't pretend to have reasons beyond the weirdness around mastina yesterday, because I don't have any, but this is what feels right.

PPF still makes a lot of sense as scum in what remains of my mind in my ailing state, but I have to admit that their unshakable drive to deny the reality of MMR's behavior/flip sounds genuine. I'd expect scum to treat it as a guilty and work around that, rather than stubbornly insist a guilty was impossible when it clearly was possible. Not sure what to make of it, takes more brain than I have available right now.

I’m not denying anything I already explained that I was scum in FFIV with Elsa who janitored T3 and learned his role. Look it up if you think I’m making shit up.

[Past Present Future]

I’m not really feeling either furtive or Enchant but I really don’t know who to vote for rn. I’m probably more clear on who I wouldn’t vote for.

I wouldn’t vote for CSF, Meuh, Math, Fire, Dangle, Ydrasse today, CSF and Meuh probably never. CSF is locktown because of Yume and I liked Meuh’s posting and I trust in my ability to accurately toneread Mastina. Scarf has gone up for me and their takes seem reasonable. Still like Dangle but them defending Math’s tin foiling is kind of ugh but probably still town. Math is probably one of the only few slots that I know has super wild takes as either alignment, the more out there they are, the more likely he is to be town.

[Past Present Future]

Their role flip said both “passive” and “factional” and I already explained Elsa and I’m not going to repeat what I said already a gazillion more times and I will thank you to stop insulting my intelligence. It’s really getting old.

[Past Present Future]

On the contrary, it's because I respect your intelligence that this is even an issue I'm considering. If I thought you were just dumb, I'd still be voting you.

Look up the FFIV scum pt then, I dare you.

And your post makes absolutely no sense.

[Past Present Future]

This isn't about FFIV.

You said yourself MMR's flip was passive and factional. OP clearly states that both scumteams have nonstandard FACTIONAL abilitieS. We know Lunar has a kill, we don't know if the janitor was factional or role based. A kill is pretty standard, so they must have at least one other thing. And they very well could have targeted you with said other thing.

I seriously doubt that or they would have voted me from the getgo insteas of pushing Mastina but maybe they viewed her as the bigger threat because I think they would have been pushing me a lot harder if they actually knew my exact role and that’s all I’m going to say about that. I have been saying this ad nauseum but scum needs me to get miselimed so I’m becoming slight suss on you now for continuing to try to rolefish me, it’s fucking antitown so stop.

[Past Present Future]

I'm not trying to rolefish you, I'm trying to explain to you why it looked so bad to most people at the start of the day. To us, who do not have any guaranteed knowledge of your role, it looks an awful lot like a guilty.

You not understanding that is strange to me, and makes me think you might actually be telling the truth. Which was my initial point here.

My point being is that MMR would have pushed me a lot harder and they only voted me when their survival depended on it and I think if they knew that the timing of my death mattered, they would have jumped on us from the getgo, so either they know my role exists but only the bare bones and were trying to rolefish me or they thought they could miselim because of Math but then they pretty much didn’t vote me until pretty much the 11th hour, so that makes me think that they didn’t actually check me because I think if they had, they’d have been on me from the getgo and not attempted to so obviously rolefish me.

I still think their flip reminds me a lot of Elsa’s role in FFIV. \_0_/

[Past Present Future]

PPF, in your own words, what type of result does MMR's role get?

I already answered this multiple times. They receive passive resuits from a factional action. Sounds to me like they found out what Prof’s role was and found out their confirmable one shot was a huge threat.

Based off unwnd flipping vt, and my strongly believing Fire slot is town (because of my FA read + MMR interactions which make them pretty much never aligned with MMR) and RR’s burn thing claim was backed up by T-Bone, so based on all of this, the only lunar read they were correct on was MMR (and that wasn’t a strong read anyway and would be unlikely to have necessated an n1 kill), so that tells me that Prof wasn’t killed for their reads unless they were wrong on RR or Fire, so their role probably had to have been seen to be a major threat to Lunar apart from that.

[Past Present Future]

I'll be honest I don't know what your slot can and cannot do.

Spoiler: Some posts that might explain it

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?

I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted them

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

I cannot guarantee that it was scum that targeted her. albeit I agree it was likely scum, since I don’t see why town would mess with a claimed invest

Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this

Btw i asked mega what negative effect meant, if it included things like roleblocked and redirected and she wouldn't elaborate

Which makes me think negative effect refers to factional abilities

Thanks.

I know that speaking for someone else is difficult, but do you have any idea why your predecessor claimed their role only worked on meuh's slot and another slot that was either PPF or Math (I forget which)?

Yume never claimed their role worked on us but Math and Mastina iirc but my guess is that Yume wasn’t being completely honest about their role but I believe CSF is, so I think it’s very lucky for us that CSF replaced into that slot because I don’t think anyone would have taken anything Yume said seriously.

[Past Present Future]

This isn't directly game related, but I have just tested positive for COVID. My intention is to continue to play to the best of my ability, but my activity, temperament, and logical ability may be compromised somewhat, so I apologize for that

I’m really sorry for that RR. I had a severe flu a couple of years ago and I was delirious most of the time, so I hope you feel better soon.

[Past Present Future]

Also mastina/MathBlade/PPF aren't posting 80% of the content anymore which definitely helps

I hadn’t realized we had been posting that much? We kept getting told we weren’t doing enough but fine, I’m fine with posting less then.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: enchant

so the feeling i have about furitive is i feel bad for them, which is a feeling i usually only get about mafia, so i hope you guys vote out furitive without me, but if you don't enchant is ok too.

Lunatics (derogatory term for lunar mafia), PPF is now your problem.

I don’t understand this? Why are we specifically a problem for Lunars? Why aren’t we also a problem for Solars?

It’s straight up in both teams’ interests to get me miselimed, so I don’t expect scum to stop pushing me anytime soon.

@Scarf I’d still like you to answer this please.

[Past Present Future]

VC 2.0.8



Past Present Future (6) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Firebringer, Enchant, Ydrasse [E-2]

MMR (5) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (2_ T-bone, Unwnd,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.

Deadline frozen for replacements.

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

I have a hot take that scum bussed MMR when they realized how badly they had botched their claim. I think slots who stayed on us however wrong, we’re probably more likely to have been town because it’s the jumpers who would know how badly they’d look when they realized that MMR was going to go through, if they stayed on us.

So that’s where I’d look.

[Past Present Future]

Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.

Solar I suspect has furtive as it’s traitor and doesn’t actually recruit

But Lunar lore having things like werewolves probably recruits

@Math what’s your reasoning in thinking traitors exist?

[Past Present Future]

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

I very much doubt Math is one should they even exist.

[Past Present Future]

Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.

Solar I suspect has furtive as it’s traitor and doesn’t actually recruit

But Lunar lore having things like werewolves probably recruits

@Math what’s your reasoning in thinking traitors exist?

Scum likely have higher than rand player counts. Easy way to balance that is traitor.

Explain this?

[Past Present Future]

@Math, you need to link/quote that post(s) for me. I’m not reqding through 800+ posts just to understand your traitor theory and both heads have been interacting plenty with other slots. so I don’t understand why you keep saying this.

And then you have Dangle telling me we’re posting too much. I want some reason to put stock or not into your traitor theory and I would like something more to go on.

Are you claiming that you are somehow informed that traitors exist because otherwise I need to understand your reasoning for that and so far I don’t.

[Past Present Future]

Mathblade speculates furtiveglace is a traitor.

Also Mathblade, I won't vote him with less than 24 hours left...

@Nancy, Discord please

[Past Present Future]

And yes I am not rushing a vote when we likely get replacements. I’d like to see how things play out.

.....I don't think anyone's in danger of replacing...

[Past Present Future]

@Math, you need to link/quote that post(s) for me. I’m not reqding through 800+ posts just to understand your traitor theory and both heads have been interacting plenty with other slots. so I don’t understand why you keep saying this.

And then you have Dangle telling me we’re posting too much. I want some reason to put stock or not into your traitor theory and I would like something more to go on.

Are you claiming that you are somehow informed that traitors exist because otherwise I need to understand your reasoning for that and so far I don’t.

Cool you don’t believe me.

Moving on since you’re scum.

And yes I am not rushing a vote when we likely get replacements. I’d like to see how things play out.

Thanks @Math, glad I can always count on you to be helpful and answer important questions.

And you seriously wonder why people don’t listen to you? I’m trying to understand your reasoning and for that I get called scum. Fine, don’t fucking tell me then but don’t you dare say I didn’t try to work with you here.

[Past Present Future]

I will check back within the time limit.

I want to see you interact with other slots.

I have reasons for believing the way I do.

We are and have been. I still don’t understand why you keep saying this when it’s clearly untrue.

[Past Present Future]

@Math, you need to link/quote that post(s) for me. I’m not reqding through 800+ posts just to understand your traitor theory and both heads have been interacting plenty with other slots. so I don’t understand why you keep saying this.

And then you have Dangle telling me we’re posting too much. I want some reason to put stock or not into your traitor theory and I would like something more to go on.

Are you claiming that you are somehow informed that traitors exist because otherwise I need to understand your reasoning for that and so far I don’t.

Cool you don’t believe me.

Moving on since you’re scum.

And yes I am not rushing a vote when we likely get replacements. I’d like to see how things play out.

Thanks @Math, glad I can always count on you to be helpful and answer important questions.

And you seriously wonder why people don’t listen to you? I’m trying to understand your reasoning and for that I get called scum. Fine, don’t fucking tell me then but don’t you dare say I didn’t try to work with you here.

You’re not.

You’re blatantly rolefishing and solely focused in on me despite everyone telling you to interact with other slots.

You won’t because you’re not town.

*internal screaming*

Not true, I asked you to link/quote the posts for your traitor reasoning because I thought it might help if I agreed with it but go ahead and think whatever you like.

And then when I don’t understand things, you’ll probably jump on me for that too. Why do I even bother asking you anything? *kicks self*

[Past Present Future]

I think furtive is town

Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.

Likely Solar traitor crumb.

You are literally a genius level player for this observation. Breathtaking insight. I'm dumbfounded that I was caught this easily. I apologise to my Solar teammates, MathBlade was just too good for us

I think if traitors do in fact exist, I think they wouldn’t be anywhere near as obvious.

[Past Present Future]

Because we agreed to disagree 100s of pages abo and you’re still rolefishing me asking me to explain what I can’t and then not talking with anyone else about reads. Let me do an ISO with the last concrete read you had give me a moment

I asked you to link/quote your posts for that but you think whatever tf you want.

[Past Present Future]

I’m seriously trying to figure that out and it’s driving me nuts that I don’t know that. You can believe that or not but that’s why I was asking. I don’t understand the reasoning for the wagons but I agree with Fire that furtive’s likely town here.

[Past Present Future]

But if PPF was lunar traitor why Lunars accuse them?

…DDS = Lunar traitor please read

Where this intel comed from

It’s a theory not intel.

I have theory that you are wrong.

Can you elaborate on this?

I’d also ask this of Math as well but I’d expect a brick wall to be more forthcoming.

[Past Present Future]

I don’t understand the reasoning for the wagons but I agree with Fire that furtive’s likely town here.

Why is he likely town?

He just tends to sound wooden and fake as scum. He definitely did in Chromavalon anyway.

[Past Present Future]

Site ate my post...?

tl;dr @PPF I am not going to respond to the thing you want me to respond to, since it is addressed to lunar mafia, and not you.

Yes but I still want to know why you would address this to Lunar mafia in particular? Why not Solar? My role is a threat to BOTH teams.

[Past Present Future]

Can I interest you in Enchant then? Kind of running out of time

I don’t like either but Enchant is better than furtive. I’ll ask Titus what she thinks. My working theory is that scum is probably in the slots who jumped from us to MMR but it looks like we’re in a similar situation to d1 and I think furtive is more likely to be town than Enchant.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Furtiveglance

sneeze

NM :/

[Past Present Future]

VC 3.0.5



Furtiveglance (6) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Meuh, Ydrasse, Radical Rat, Scarfmanship, Cat Scratch Fever, [E-1!]

Enchant (3) Furtiveglance, Toogeloo, Firebringer

Toogeloo (1) T-bone,

Not Voting (3) Past Present Future, Mathblade, Enchant,

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

I would like to apologize about the recent sparsity of vote counts. Their frequency should return to normal from here on out.

Didn’t Enchant just hammer furtive? Unless the vc is wrong again?

[Past Present Future]

It’s why I absolutely flipped out about Mastina

And why Mastina/Meuh + PPF is very hard for me to shake.

Lunar if you kill me you’re really really silly

Meuh/Mastina is town as are we.



And furtive probably flips town and this game is in the toilet.

[Past Present Future]

As the sun begins to set, a ray of sunlight catches onto Mathblade and surrounds him. Likewise, as the moon rises the moonlight surrounds Dingle Dangle Scarecrow. They are surrounded by radiant and ethereal light.

Mathblade is blessed by the solar god Helius. He cannot be aligned with the Lunar Cult. If he was eliminated during this phase, the Solar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Solar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

---

Thus begins Night 1! Send me anything you might do!

The deadline for the night is 1 day.

This timer will likewise freeze at 24 hours remaining until I receive a replacement for Maid Cafe.

@Math your sr on Meuh/Mastina makes 0 sense unless you’re going to argue she’s Lunar.

[Past Present Future]

I’m seriously trying to figure that out and it’s driving me nuts that I don’t know that. You can believe that or not but that’s why I was asking. I don’t understand the reasoning for the wagons but I agree with Fire that furtive’s likely town here.

@CSF I did say that.

[Past Present Future]

Dusk 2 Final VC

Furtiveglance (7) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Meuh, Ydrasse, Radical Rat, Scarfmanship, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant [Hammer]

Enchant (3) Furtiveglance, Toogeloo, Firebringer

Toogeloo (1) T-bone,

Not Voting (2) Past Present Future, Mathblade,

With 13 Alive it took 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

Do you count yourself among that @Scarf?

“lazy town”?

Wb Prof.

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

@Prof do you agree with me that there’s more likely to be scum in the slots that jumped from us to MMR than any of the slots that stayed consistent?

[Past Present Future]

What about me?
If your actually suggesting the ability part of being lazy that’s a lol.

???

I’m referring to what Scarf said about furtive wagon. I’m clearly not referring to you.

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

Dusk 2 Final VC

Furtiveglance (7) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Meuh, Ydrasse, Radical Rat, Scarfmanship, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant [Hammer]

Enchant (3) Furtiveglance, Toogeloo, Firebringer

Toogeloo (1) T-bone,

Not Voting (2) Past Present Future, Mathblade,

With 13 Alive it took 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

Based on who I think is town, it’s possible. My theory is that there has to be scum in the jumpers because they knew MMR was flipping scum.

[Past Present Future]

Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.

And I'm not saying we'd recruit you, but if we did it would be into the Lunar cult ~

VOTE: Child of fairies

-Aisa

Also I looked back and it’s funny that both these posts came from town.

Both players frequently get wrongly sr, Aisa and Greeting.

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Yume has been my strongest tr since I unvoted her, so that makes CSF pretty much locktown for me.

And this also makes it extremely likely that I was right about Mastina being town.

@Prof

[Past Present Future]

Mmm
I lied a bit cause I can actually see T-Bone with MathBlade.
Although It’s Hard to tell why MathBlade pushes Mastina the way they did as a wolf.
TBF I suppose it’s a multi ball and you can do that genuinely in a multi ball or at least from my experiences of a multi ball you can.
Hmm, who am I miss clearing and who am I reading correctly? That’s the question.

I’d love to hear what you were reading while dead like how your reads evolved and what posts changed them being an outsiders perspective.

@PPF - Your theory about Janitor MMR is proven false. How did that change your reads?

I’m not good at mech, so first off you really need to explain that to me. I already explained why I thought that.

All I know for sure is that they lied about targeting us and I already thought Prof was town.

[Past Present Future]

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

Though, I think that there's at least one scum in the voters after Math.
-Rubella

Interesting contradiction.

[Past Present Future]

Mmm
I lied a bit cause I can actually see T-Bone with MathBlade.
Although It’s Hard to tell why MathBlade pushes Mastina the way they did as a wolf.
TBF I suppose it’s a multi ball and you can do that genuinely in a multi ball or at least from my experiences of a multi ball you can.
Hmm, who am I miss clearing and who am I reading correctly? That’s the question.

I’d love to hear what you were reading while dead like how your reads evolved and what posts changed them being an outsiders perspective.

@PPF - Your theory about Janitor MMR is proven false. How did that change your reads?

I’m not good at mech, so first off you really need to explain that to me. I already explained why I thought that.

All I know for sure is that they lied about targeting us and I already thought Prof was town.

…Janitor MMR was your theory. I can’t explain what your current theory is now because I am not in your head?

Can you please reread my question again?

You still need to explain the mech to me because I don’t understand how you think how what MMR’s role whether I was right or not, should impact my reads?

[Past Present Future]

Why is everyone continuing to ignore the obvious elephant in the room. MMR is saying they and Mastina can’t have a similar role if I’m understanding this correctly?

Unless there’s an unknown scum role that is similar to their claim and I would like more discussion about that because I don’t know what to make of it if no other role should exist.

Anyway, I don’t like unwnd who understands mech is not commenting on that at all.

I'm saying that mastina has a high chance of being scum with a similar role.
-Rubella

I think that also points to my being right on Meuh.

[Past Present Future]

I tr Prof and I still do and I don’t understand how any of that proves MMR can’t be jznitor but why do you think any of that should impact my reads?

I’m extremely surprised scum didn’t rekill Prof last night however.

[Past Present Future]

Thanks. I will keep that in mind.

VOTE: PPF

Yes MMR can be a janitor of which there’s no evidence of.
Go talk to Titus head if you’re Nancy and if you’re Titus Omg just …where are you?

Why is there no evidence? You’re being deathtunnelled on us for very silly reasons.

[Past Present Future]

Now I am done talking with PPF until the heads sync. That post is ridonkulous

It’s post like this one - right after voting us, that really piss me off. Not that you gaf.

[Past Present Future]

I think you’re both town. FA was one of the reads I disagreed the most with Mastina on.

[Past Present Future]

I think you’re both town. FA was one of the reads I disagreed the most with Mastina on.

Referring to CSF but also Meuh.

[Past Present Future]

Nancy, who's scum?

I think it could be Dangle? Idk but looking at both wagons, their votes on both furtive and MMR could make sense?

What do you think?

[Past Present Future]

Meuh and PPF are probably not on same team if both scum.
Would be pretty spicy if Meuh was Lunar considering MMR.
Wait could they even both be scum......hmmmmmmmmm

Survey feels like a no

Why can’t we both be town?

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

Dusk 2 Final VC

Furtiveglance (7) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Meuh, Ydrasse, Radical Rat, Scarfmanship, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant [Hammer]

Enchant (3) Furtiveglance, Toogeloo, Firebringer

Toogeloo (1) T-bone,

Not Voting (2) Past Present Future, Mathblade,

With 13 Alive it took 7 to eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-27 20:08:28)

Based on who I think is town, it’s possible. My theory is that there has to be scum in the jumpers because they knew MMR was flipping scum.

I would seriously be shocked if there wasn’t at least one busser on MMR and if one on, than the other one either on us or offwagon.

I also doubt furtive wagon was alltown. So, I’d probably first look at furtive wagon.

[Past Present Future]

lol @ prof not being janitored. Looks like MMR did have a solar guilty on PPF, let's kill PPF lmaoooo

VOTE: PPF no matter where the wagons bounce around today, we need to get this solarian outta here <3

This vote is bad and I think your entire progression vote on furtive looks very suspicious.

I also wasn’t lying when I said that my role passively impacts the game when we die.

VOTE: Scarf

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: enchant

so the feeling i have about furitive is i feel bad for them, which is a feeling i usually only get about mafia, so i hope you guys vote out furitive without me, but if you don't enchant is ok too.

Lunatics (derogatory term for lunar mafia), PPF is now your problem.

VOTE: Furtiveglance

Not gonna be around much tomorrow so i'm voting on the highest wagon, also furitive's recent posts (since the "i will not claim" post) seem like scum who knows they're dying. Slightly MMResque, not in the sense of self destruct, more in the sense of here's some random stuff.

furitive was right about everything, unwnd and him should both be alive still but town got dumb and lazy and probably scum influenced so some killing is in order later,we have been killing town slots for being discordant which is bad play, we should kill the sleepers

also based on no kills probably conversions or arsonists are happening or something idrk im at work

[Past Present Future]

? Can you explain your post to us more?

Assuming that you're talking to us, we're a Loyal Rolestopper.
-Rubella

? Can you explain your post to us more?

Assuming that you're talking to us, we're a Loyal Rolestopper.
-Rubella

Why would you protect us over claimed prs?

Mumps and Measles wanted to see your reaction.
We're actually Loyal Neapolitan.
I guess that your reaction means that you're Town.
-Rubella

Also what makes you think my role is “confirmed” to have something to do with alignments?

Meg's announcement that you would've vanillaised the Solar Cult if you had been eliminated in the place of Bunny.
PPF's D1 push means that it's unlikely that they're Solar.
I know this doesn't make them conftown or confscum.
-Rubella

Tl;Dr I don't think that PPF should be vigged over mastina.
-Rubella

Why is everyone continuing to ignore the obvious elephant in the room. MMR is saying they and Mastina can’t have a similar role if I’m understanding this correctly?

Unless there’s an unknown scum role that is similar to their claim and I would like more discussion about that because I don’t know what to make of it if no other role should exist.

Anyway, I don’t like unwnd who understands mech is not commenting on that at all.

I'm saying that mastina has a high chance of being scum with a similar role.
-Rubella

Who are your TRs? Outside of Mastina and PPF and me?

I wouldn't say that PPF and mastina are TRs; both are nullish.
RR could be Town because they seem to genuinely want to solve the game, even though they're not right.
I think that T-Bone and Enchant can also be Town.
I don't really have a read on most of the others.
-Rubella

Hey I'm on page 153 and I am currently unable to play for circa 4-6 hours. (I can be around at around midnight tonight.)

But MMR's claim is definitely not a real one here.

MMR is NOT an Astrologer.

Based off of my role, I know they're bullshitting.

How do we know that this can't also apply to you?
Either way, I definitely agree with Math that at least one of us should be vigged tomorrow.
-Rubella

I've been lightly skimming, and this seems to be the right play simply because MMR's claim actively conflicts with both mastina and PPF?

It doesn't.
It only conflicts with mastina.
-Rubella

Sure, that’s why they were trying to get Mastina killed.

[Past Present Future]

PPF is dumbtelling on purpose and selling ohh, im bad at mechanics!!

Read the astral ghost claim. You're a guiltied solar mafia. Die.

I did, so what? That changes nothing for me.

[Past Present Future]

Also, PPF lied about selling apples.

Really?
We tried to investigate them last Night and we received no result.
Measles think that this could be due to our Loyal modifier.
-Rubella

Proof positive that MMR was lying and Scarf is currently my best guess for MMR buddy,

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: enchant

so the feeling i have about furitive is i feel bad for them, which is a feeling i usually only get about mafia, so i hope you guys vote out furitive without me, but if you don't enchant is ok too.

Lunatics (derogatory term for lunar mafia), PPF is now your problem.

Site ate my post...?

tl;dr @PPF I am not going to respond to the thing you want me to respond to, since it is addressed to lunar mafia, and not you.

Scarf trying to make it look like he’s not a Lunar.

[Past Present Future]

lol @ prof not being janitored. Looks like MMR did have a solar guilty on PPF, let's kill PPF lmaoooo

VOTE: PPF no matter where the wagons bounce around today, we need to get this

solarian

outta here <3

And now this. Scarf knows that if he nks me because of what happens after my death, he knows it’s far better for him to miselim us.

And I bet money Lunar found out my role.

[Past Present Future]

can we not do a redo of yesterday with PPF and Math going at it forever. I think we can improve gamestate by having everyone else chat and you guys add commentary to min

PPF's partner pictured above

Imagine not want the thread to be toxic and town be apathetic. Is this seriously a real read?

[Past Present Future]

No mafia has the information to do what I did on day 1.

My death has the ability to passively impact the game and if I die during the nights (either Lunar or Solar), it’s bad for scum but I due during the day - except just before elo, it’s bad for town.

My death can directly impact the phases.

[Past Present Future]

You are the toxicity, you are doing it on purpose, and I will not continue to play with you.

How am I being even remotely “toxic” here? I’m saying that your reasoning for sr fire is whack. Town got apathetic because we were doing the lion’s share of the posting.

And my read on you plummeted because I think your furtive read looked fake. It reminds me of Frogodoogo in DoP who pushed a miselim on Alianna, then next day wanted to avenge her, so your posts about “dumb, lazy” town voting him reads fake to me, considering you first wanted him limmed without your help then you vote him and tye next day, oh he was suddenly right about everything. I ain’t buying it. nope.

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Yume has been my strongest tr since I unvoted her, so that makes CSF pretty much locktown for me.

And this also makes it extremely likely that I was right about Mastina being town.

@Prof

Why are people ignoring this? MMR spewed Meuh not Lunar and how does CSF gets this result if Meuh is Solar?

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Yume has been my strongest tr since I unvoted her, so that makes CSF pretty much locktown for me.

And this also makes it extremely likely that I was right about Mastina being town.

@Prof

Why are people ignoring this? MMR spewed Meuh not Lunar and how does CSF gets this result if Meuh is Solar?

CSF is Lunar poisoning Solar Meuh.
CSF is lying.

I consider very few people not Lunar because MMR’s claim seems so bad to be intentional.

I don’t believe scum!Yume replaces out right after Mastina’s force replaced. Even FA who was sr Mastina agreed with me on Yume.

[Past Present Future]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Yume has been my strongest tr since I unvoted her, so that makes CSF pretty much locktown for me.

And this also makes it extremely likely that I was right about Mastina being town.

@Prof

Why are people ignoring this? MMR spewed Meuh not Lunar and how does CSF gets this result if Meuh is Solar?

CSF is Lunar poisoning Solar Meuh.
CSF is lying.

I consider very few people not Lunar because MMR’s claim seems so bad to be intentional.

I don’t believe scum!Yume replaces out right after Mastina’s force replaced. Even FA who was sr Mastina agreed with me on Yume.

And especially not if they are both scum on different teams.

[Past Present Future]

Why does Lunar scum!CSF perform a negative action on Solar scum!Meuh then claim that? Why does CSF do that based on the above?

[Past Present Future]

wait, who here is theorizing that scum can't kill? Shouldn't you all be, like, suss of PPF's claim then? Anti-town to get limmed, pro-town to get NK'd?

I’m telling the truth. My death directly impacts the phases and that is indeed the case.

[Past Present Future]

wait, who here is theorizing that scum can't kill? Shouldn't you all be, like, suss of PPF's claim then? Anti-town to get limmed, pro-town to get NK'd?

I am suss of PPF. I asked her why she didn’t asked to be vigged and got random AF videos. None of which made sense soooo…

But pushing PPF is toxic so ….

I honestly don’t know why you keep saying this? It’s not pro-town for us to be dayvigged. I have already said that if you want to make the most optimal useage of my role, to yeet us before elo. Because our death will directly impact the game. I don’t know why it’s necessary to keep repeating this.

If we get yeeted/dayvigged prior to to the day phase before elo and we lose, don’t say I didn’t warn you. You think I’m bssing with this? I assure you I’m not. It’s bad for town if we day durning a day phase unless it’s that one. If you want to help scum then yeet me.

[Past Present Future]

Did anyone die at night?

VOTE: PPF

With prof claiming astral ghost I really don’t see a PPF town world here

@Math, yeah I see that. Tbh I think it'd really benefit you if you explained your thoughts more, because I didn't put that together until now.

I'd vote PPF over Meuh. The "negative effect" could refer to recruitment... but Meuh was not recruited. Think about what I'm implying.

And another thing that should be obvious. We have been hard defending Meuh/Mastina slot since the getgo. If you believe as I do that that Meuh is town, then why would you think it makes sense for us to be Solar using a negative ability on her?

How is that even making sense to you?

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: PPF

[Past Present Future]

wait, who here is theorizing that scum can't kill? Shouldn't you all be, like, suss of PPF's claim then? Anti-town to get limmed, pro-town to get NK'd?

I am suss of PPF. I asked her why she didn’t asked to be vigged and got random AF videos. None of which made sense soooo…

But pushing PPF is toxic so ….

I honestly don’t know why you keep saying this? It’s not pro-town for us to be dayvigged. I have already said that if you want to make the most optimal useage of my role, to yeet us before elo. Because our death will directly impact the game. I don’t know why it’s necessary to keep repeating this.

If we get yeeted/dayvigged prior to to the day phase before elo and we lose, don’t say I didn’t warn you. You think I’m bssing with this? I assure you I’m not. It’s bad for town if we day durning a day phase unless it’s that one. If you want to help scum then yeet me.

I don’t think you’re bssing, I just really see no downside in shooting you.

Then you haven’t been reading because town could lose because of YOU and that would actually be fitting, since you continue to help scum by killing town.

[Past Present Future]

not until tomorrow i guess

Correct tomorrow I can shoot.

Then what point in you intemidating PPF at this point.

I have no clue what Math is thinking. He believes I’m telling the truth about my role, yet he still wants to kill me. So if we lose, I hope the dead thread unloads on him because it could make the difference between us winning or losing this game but thanks to Math, we probably lose.

[Past Present Future]

not until tomorrow i guess

Correct tomorrow I can shoot.

Then what point in you intemidating PPF at this point.

Because it’s a wagon I can get people to agree on.

No one is agreeing on Jack which makes me think alignments are about even.

PPF dying seems really protown from what they’ve said.

They aren’t pushing anyone

So scum flip and protown passive on death?

I am finding it really hard to not tunnel them.

Are you just pretending to be dense or what? Our death will directly impact the phases and WHEN we die, impacts whether it adversely affects town or scum. I wish I could shake you with Ydrasse’s snowglobe.

[Past Present Future]

Also, PPF lied about selling apples.

Really?
We tried to investigate them last Night and we received no result.
Measles think that this could be due to our Loyal modifier.
-Rubella

Proof positive that MMR was lying and Scarf is currently my best guess for MMR buddy,

Because they lied. This game is I think effectively killing my brain cells.

[Past Present Future]

It could be a possible clear if we eliminated an entire faction and then a check revealing any player to have similar attunement to the defunct faction would then become ICs basically.

[Past Present Future]

most likely Scum flips: Firebringer and PPF

Fire, I think you are better than this if you are town, there is no way you don't think in pursuing MMR/PPF for that interaction yet you wanted to look the other way

PPF I know I'm going to be scumread by you, I know you already scumread my slot,

I know you are going to make a tantrum and you know what? I don't give a fk

, you either give me a better claim than you snowflake role that conviniently shouldn't be limmed or you are dead

I won’t be responding to any attempts to provoke me as in the bolded. Ask me without deliberately trying to provoke me and I’ll maybe consider responding.

[Past Present Future]

We are a beloved princess. If we die during the day, the game jumps to the opposing night. So if we die during dusk, game jumps to noon. If we die during dawn, game jumps to night. So if a scumteam miseliminates us, or gets Math to shoot, they get rewarded with a night phase.

Hence why MMR fakes a guilty on us. If it would have worked, they get an extra night. They started with no result so they wouldn't be eliminated after our flip but bungled the claim.

We didn't want Solar to be aware of this information as well, so we held off claiming.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

I’ve been crumbing it since dawn 1 for anyone who’s been paying attention.

[Past Present Future]

Again I think Dingle is Lunar

I was going to vote them for voting Meuh but then they unvoted and now I don’t know what to think.

[Past Present Future]

No. I don't remember Undertale. Will post tonight. Gtg.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

It’s actually closer to me vs Titus. I think Romance had a comparable role in that. You ought to remember since you were part designer iirc?

[Past Present Future]

It’s actually closer to me vs Titus. I think Romance had a comparable role in that. You ought to remember since you were part designer iirc?

Except in her case, it was active and at her discretion when to use it. In our case, it’s passive and only happens after we die.

[Past Present Future]

Ppf why was it scummy of scarf to push for your lim? He pushed you on both dawn and dusk... only 1 given scum team wants to lim you on any given phase; his consistent tunnel on you rings more town than scum

i'll vote anyone in the null/scums 5916

UNVOTE:

Nancy feels the same. I don't. I felt some of Scarf's posts were walking back his SR and leaving wiggle room.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

JunkoChan prinzessin der verurteilung, yours trully, obvtown for reading this shitshow

town pile
Radical Rat
Mathblade
T-Bone
Meuh
Professotic
Cat Scratch Fever

scum/null pile
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
Past Present Future
Enchant
Firebringer
Toogeloo
Ydrasse

I agree with this

Put CSF and Professotic in scum/null and move me and DDS out of there and I agree with this.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Math gives me paranoia flares of being Solar. That's a lunar problem though.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

junko town if i havent made my actual opinion clear

I'd agree if it wasn't Scarf's slot.

[Past Present Future]

Lmao, I take a look at some next posts and you all voting Dingle.

In all honestly I’m good with either.

PPF getting resolved today isn’t a bad idea.
I wolf read Dingle the most.

We can get resolved tonight and proven not to be scum.

[Past Present Future]

A large part of me wants to punt and take a flip on Toog or Ydrasse though. Decisions

I do agree these slots can easily be a wolf.

But I do agree with Math and think PPF and Dingle are the best options for
Today.

You think Bella is acting the same here as in LOST?

I can’t tell with her.

[Past Present Future]

There's a specific thing about my role that also makes recruitment more likely
I just hope it isn't

Also yeah, I think they all happened on noon 1.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Past Present Future]

And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You express a negative view of our slot any time we do something against yours

I'm pretty sure that you said that you were against stalling the day.
However, your votes don't seem to align with your view.
This gives off the impression that you're could be trying to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

By the way, Math, what makes you think that we're unaligned with DDS?
-Rubella

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

Weird trajectory on DDS.

[Past Present Future]

My priorities are

Accurate elimination > not stalling > waiting for replacements

Just because I want the day to end doesn't mean I stop caring who the elimination is

I get it now.
-Rubella

Ooops, forgot this one. Antipartnery or distancing?

[Past Present Future]

@mod if someone is recruited, would they be informed of that or not?

[Past Present Future]

And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You express a negative view of our slot any time we do something against yours

I'm pretty sure that you said that you were against stalling the day.
However, your votes don't seem to align with your view.
This gives off the impression that you're could be trying to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

By the way, Math, what makes you think that we're unaligned with DDS?
-Rubella

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

Weird trajectory on DDS.

DDS was confirmed not Lunar but had to be protected. I don't hold this against DDS.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You express a negative view of our slot any time we do something against yours

I'm pretty sure that you said that you were against stalling the day.
However, your votes don't seem to align with your view.
This gives off the impression that you're could be trying to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

By the way, Math, what makes you think that we're unaligned with DDS?
-Rubella

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

Weird trajectory on DDS.

DDS was confirmed not Lunar but had to be protected. I don't hold this against DDS.

~Titus

I meant not Solar.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

JunkoChan prinzessin der verurteilung, yours trully, obvtown for reading this shitshow

town pile
Radical Rat
Mathblade
T-Bone
Meuh
Professotic
Cat Scratch Fever

scum/null pile
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
Past Present Future
Enchant
Firebringer
Toogeloo
Ydrasse

I agree with this

Put CSF and Professotic in scum/null and move me and DDS out of there and I agree with this.

~Titus

Idk about Enchant, I think his progression on us seems to be uninformed. He went from hardpushing us to not wanting to vote us post MMR flip. That suggests to me that he wrongly tr them and believed they were town and reacessed post flip.

[Past Present Future]

The biggest reason PPF is a townread for me is because they're devoting a really big portion of their efforts in this game into being toxic towards MathBlade instead of doing things that would make them look town to others. But I suppose if they're mostly self-aligned to start with, them being scum here is plausible? But more importantly, with professotic not being janitored, MMR actually having a guilty is a lot more likely to be the explanation for their behaviour on D2.

I think their scumread on Scarf was at odds with their claim

Scarf was fairly vocal about limming them on both Dawn and Dusk phases - which feels more town indicative than scum indicative

My sr on Scarf was because they were being off the charts scummy. The furtive progression was seriously yuck and then them addressing Lunar but never bothering to explain jack.

I’d have yeeted them in a nanosecond had Junko not replaced into to that slot because her posts make me think that Scarf is maybe one of those players who have a scummy playstyle irrespective of alignment. I also metadived them and thought they sounded different here than their past games but it was like 6 years old meta. Anyway, I don’t think Junko’s lscum here anymore.

UNVOTE:

[Past Present Future]

The biggest reason PPF is a townread for me is because they're devoting a really big portion of their efforts in this game into being toxic towards MathBlade instead of doing things that would make them look town to others. But I suppose if they're mostly self-aligned to start with, them being scum here is plausible? But more importantly, with professotic not being janitored, MMR actually having a guilty is a lot more likely to be the explanation for their behaviour on D2.

I think their scumread on Scarf was at odds with their claim

Scarf was fairly vocal about limming them on both Dawn and Dusk phases - which feels more town indicative than scum indicative

I'm done. If you're going to intentionally misread a role and then get upset at the rest of us for not agreeing to misread it in the same way you are then you have to be scum upset they were caught. That you cannot even fathom while people would read it the correct way is beyond my comprehension. It's incredibly frustrating to deal with. I would understand if you were arguing that "I'm town so they must have been lying" but trying to quote the role as evidence when the rest of us can clearly see what it says and interpret it differently (if not correctly) is just so frustrating.

Maybe you lack perspective and that's why you keep doing this I dunno, but I'm at the point where it just looks intentional.

VOTE: PPF

I think Nancy is not understanding the mech argument people are making against her slot, and

she admits to struggling with mech

. I don't actually think she's intentionally ignoring it

@CSF explain this please. You’re arguing thar my reads should be claime based eventhough you know I pretty much suck at mech?

[Past Present Future]

@CSF explain this please. You’re arguing thar my reads should be claime based eventhough you know I pretty much suck at mech?

The mech around guilty was annoyingly difficult to explain to multiple people and it took me a while to understand it as well

Whereas how your role works and how people will play around it is more straightforward

But why wouldn’t I hard sr Scarf when pretty much every damned thing he posted pinged my scumdar off the freaking charts, like the furtive progression, which I already mehtioned and other things. Why would you expect me to just ignore any of that?

I make reads primarily on play and Scarf’s was uberscummy, Junko’s however is not, so I’m reacessing that now.

[Past Present Future]

I'm going to posit that our slot is a VERY unlikely recruit target due to constantly being rather low in the thread's consensus reads and neither of us being renowned for an especially strong scum game, on top of being confirmed to not be Solar.

Did someone accuse you of being convert i missed

Otherwise what this for

Many people are positing there are cults because of the lack of NKs

Well that is strange, I agree with you on that.

[Past Present Future]

But why wouldn’t I hard sr Scarf when pretty much every damned thing he posted pinged my scumdar off the freaking charts, like the furtive progression, which I already mehtioned and other things. Why would you expect me to just ignore any of that?

I make reads primarily on play and Scarf’s was uberscummy, Junko’s however is not, so I’m reacessing that now.

Can you remind me what was wrong with his furtive progression?

To me, your scumread on Scarf looked like it was bc he was scumreading you. Which is not scummy, per se, since you do OMGUS as town. But now I'm wondering if you're only doing it as scum because you're trying to imitate what you do as town and not thinking about Scarf's action are actually not scummy.

I did 100% think his play was scummy. We also thought he rolecopped us. I already explained why I was convinced he was scum before Junko replaced in.

Are you arguing that I’m lying about that read?

I 1000% would have never stopped voting Scarf had Junko not replaced him. Believe that or not.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: enchant

so the feeling i have about furitive is i feel bad for them, which is a feeling i usually only get about mafia, so i hope you guys vote out furitive without me, but if you don't enchant is ok too.

Lunatics (derogatory term for lunar mafia), PPF is now your problem.

VOTE: Furtiveglance

Not gonna be around much tomorrow so i'm voting on the highest wagon, also furitive's recent posts (since the "i will not claim" post) seem like scum who knows they're dying. Slightly MMResque, not in the sense of self destruct, more in the sense of here's some random stuff.

furitive was right about everything, unwnd and him should both be alive still but town got dumb and lazy and probably scum influenced so some killing is in order later,we have been killing town slots for being discordant which is bad play, we should kill the sleepers

also based on no kills probably conversions or arsonists are happening or something idrk im at work

@CSF, I explained it here. Let me know if you want me to repeat things I’ve already posted or you can ask me questions that I haven’t previously already responded too.

[Past Present Future]

The biggest reason PPF is a townread for me is because they're devoting a really big portion of their efforts in this game into being toxic towards MathBlade instead of doing things that would make them look town to others. But I suppose if they're mostly self-aligned to start with, them being scum here is plausible? But more importantly, with professotic not being janitored, MMR actually having a guilty is a lot more likely to be the explanation for their behaviour on D2.

I think their scumread on Scarf was at odds with their claim

Scarf was fairly vocal about limming them on both Dawn and Dusk phases - which feels more town indicative than scum indicative

My sr on Scarf was because they were being off the charts scummy. The furtive progression was seriously yuck and then them addressing Lunar but never bothering to explain jack.

I’d have yeeted them in a nanosecond had Junko not replaced into to that slot because her posts make me think that Scarf is maybe one of those players who have a scummy playstyle irrespective of alignment. I also metadived them and thought they sounded different here than their past games but it was like 6 years old meta. Anyway, I don’t think Junko’s lscum here anymore.

UNVOTE:

What’s actually pissing me off is that this post gets completely ignored. Why aren’t you asking me about this post?
Who careswhat I thought about Scarf? What should matter is what I think about Junko.

I got asked this same type of question in Masque about a read I had on like page 1 then later changed my mind on. I don’t currently sr Junko, so that’s really all that should matter.

[Past Present Future]

The usual phrasing would be "Äre you still confused

about why I do not trust olive, red?"

Not why red should not trust them.

Yeah, good point. I could see that as a possible perspective slip.

how could you see it as that
I think in context Purple's comment that Yellow was reacting to made way more sense. The most charitable interpretation of this is you were taking Yellow's comments at face value, which shows lack of effort on your part to determine the quote was not doctored.

Also, @Magenta, what makes my posting on the previous page "terribad"?

I’m not commenting on posts that I don’t see as currently relevant. If you’d been paying attention, you’d know I no long hold that opinion.

Why did you believe it before?

like, I recognized you no longer held that stance, but I think it was a bad stance to begin with.

Oh yeah, I was town in that too.

[Past Present Future]

Here's what I'm now assuming:

This game had few starting scum, but recruitment. Evidence being that we have had three nights, but no night kills. A multiball game with recruitment AND no cross-killing (another assumption based on it not happening yet), is necessarily going to need to start with very few scum. I'm thinking like 2-2.

I'm going to posit that our slot is a VERY unlikely recruit target due to constantly being rather low in the thread's consensus reads and neither of us being renowned for an especially strong scum game, on top of being confirmed to not be Solar.

I think likely recruit targets are like... T-Bone, Scarf, CSF (specifically after CSF replaced in), MathBlade, maybe Meuh?

The biggest reason PPF is a townread for me is because they're devoting a really big portion of their efforts in this game into being toxic towards MathBlade instead of doing things that would make them look town to others. But I suppose if they're mostly self-aligned to start with, them being scum here is plausible? But more importantly, with professotic not being janitored, MMR actually having a guilty is a lot more likely to be the explanation for their behaviour on D2.

VOTE: PPF

Klick, could you please not reference that word wrt me? It really triggers me. “Toxic”. Tyia

[Past Present Future]

This is the first time I'm learning about your Junko townread (I even ctrl+f'd junko in your ISO this time). What changed your mind there?

And that's not an explanation of how furtive's progression was scummy, you mean he was waffly?

Yes, I think that looked really bad to me because I did something like that in Undertale - probably not the same game Math was referring to - as scum. I tried to push people to vote MariaR but didn’t want to vote there myself. I can link that game if you or anyone else is interested.

And Pink Ball caught me dead to rights and I was just frozen.

But it feels somehow really wrong even making this kind of post because I no longer sr that slot, so even discussing it makes me feel really icky.

[Past Present Future]

Junko seems to be looking at the entire game and trying to solve slots, where as Scarf looked to me to be mindlessly tunnelling. I don’t see her posts as being at all agenda driven.

[Past Present Future]

Anyway, I want to apologize to the thread. I’m currently experiencing some extremely exasperating rl issues that are making me want to pull my hair out. Nothing serious but haven’t slept properly in the last few days because of that. So sorry, if I’m coming across as being extra snippy. I can’t pay an important bill because my stupid phone is currently not working and I didn’t bother setting up my cell phone.

[Past Present Future]

I'm probably overreacting.

Mastina is a slot I'd like to sort later. I think this is just what she does and if it's entirely random she's scum but if it makes some sense she's probably town. I am leaning toward the latter.

I don't think that you are overreacting.
138 definitely reads like shade, to me, coming from FA.
It's completely understandable and NAI to not understand the mech in a closed setup.
VOTE: FA
-Rubella

I posted the line I find that post alarming in response to mastina's almost hard townread on the slot - implying that I don't see how such a thing could give her an almost locked town read on the slot when it can be easily faked. There is absolutely no context in which you could have misunderstood it as a scum read on the slot so I can't believe you with that.

STD's becoming hard defensive about it and not engaging with me when asked about other slots was in fact over reaction but yours attempt to create a wagon over it felt way more self-aware and intentional.

and again since its being questioned - what I find alarming:

- People chatting about some mech speculations in a closed setup
- Someone dropping a line with a I don't know and don't wanna know attidue like there is something to know to make it believable they are in a not giving a f state

The IDGAF state can be easily faked. Its absolutely not deserving for that townread and has to be monitored

I think that I get you now.
When I first read 138, I genuinely thought that you were trying to shade STD by accusing him of faking confusion when to me, he felt like he actually was lost.
I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.
I need to reaccess my reads.
-Rubella

What do people make of this?

[Past Present Future]

Yeah, who knows because it’s multiball. Reread STD ISO and it looked like he could have replaced out it looked like because of arguing with FA.

I think that Fire and Ydrasse are never aligned based on that.

[Past Present Future]

Not sure why my vote is on PPF.

It was on MMR when I left

I think that Meg doubled counted.

I don’t have time to read anything that happened

Can anyone tldr me?

In 4102, mastina asked you to ISO Firebringer and if you SR him, vote him.
Then, unwnd upset her and things got heated.

T-Bone made a great point on how roles aren't AI in 4164.
T-Bone continues to be a beacon of light in 4165.
-Rubella

TBone is saying MMR botched their fakeclaim and MMR calls TBone a “beacon of light”.

So, I brought this up since MMR focused mainly on Mastina, FA, STD, Dangle, Math and of course us. In a recent game I was in, scum fooled me by obvtowning two slots, one actually town and the other a buddy.

[Past Present Future]

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

I wish I could pick RH9’s brain with this.

[Past Present Future]

One way to verify DDS role is to have them use it on PPF since meuh will be on PPF

Verifying their role doesn't make them town though, and I'm still struggling to see the intended use of their role

This is why I've said my role doesn't feel that strong! I don't really know what we're meant to do with it

I've been trying to target people that I think are strongly town, not the most likely NK target, and could potentially be targeted
In theory a self-watch is strong-ish but not when someone else gets the info

So we're a Town Illuminator
Every Night/Noon, we can target someone and they'll see who targets them that phase, minus ourselves
If no one else targets them, they'll be told no one targeted them
Effectively it's a 'target this player and they get to self-watch for the night'

Night 1 we illuminated T-Bone
Noon 1 we illuminated Ydrasse
Night 2 we illuminated Scarfmanship

wait a minute

@mod can I get whatever pm's scarf received?

I was specifically hoping you/Ydrasse wouldn't turn up until after T-Bone answered me that's why I claimed while T-Bone was posting and you two weren't

@Dangle, why would you choose to target players that you tr but in your opinion unlikely to be nk targets? I understand that if any of them actually do get targeted, then they get confirmation but how does that work, considering according to you, them all being unlikely targets?

Like who would have been likely to target Ydrasse? I would think it would have made far more sense to have targeted Meuh/Mastina, RR or Math for example since all of them were more likely to be targeted than any of the targets you selected.

[Past Present Future]

I've been confused this game by the shitty claimed roles we have had, specifically why we don't have good investigative claims on the board

DDS's role + delayed kills in this game would quite possibly mean DDS' role the strongest we have. At the very least, I do not understand why we can't try to have them confirm their role. If we're wrong about DDS and they flip town, I think it'd be difficult to come back from.

If you're adamant about Scum!DDS, try to find their partners at least

I would also like some opinions on this post!

I’ve been thinking about MMR post suggesting them and Math as being possible traitors but knowing what they flipped, if they weren’t just wifomming and had some actual reason to think that traitors exist in this game, would they really out their best guess for Lunar traitor?

I mean you can argue possible distancing but it seems more likely that they were either bssing with that, assuming they even have any valid reasons to even think that but pretty much nothing they posted really makes a lot of sense but I don’t think Dangle looks like an MMR buddy.

[Past Present Future]

Ydrasse why are you voting meuh?

mathblade told me to like pages ago

What is your read on Meuh?

[Past Present Future]

Been in contested hearings and just needing to be away from people. I keep trying to get back in the game but lol nope.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Been in contested hearings and just needing to be away from people. I keep trying to get back in the game but lol nope.

~Titus

I mean, we can get you out in a heart beat

You are still an option

You could, but that's not the wisest manuever.

Right now, the thread and the site is basically loud accurate people get noosed. My biggest SR is professor but Nancy doesn't want it. So we're voting wherever she wants.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Ydrasse why are you voting meuh?

mathblade told me to like pages ago

What is your read on Meuh?

What are you on about Math? I’m dealing with rl issues, so get rekt! It’s been under 24 hours. Jesus!

I agree @TBone, I don’t think Enchant is scum.

[Past Present Future]

Am I allowed Math to deal with urgent rl stuff ffs?

[Past Present Future]

Been in contested hearings and just needing to be away from people. I keep trying to get back in the game but lol nope.

~Titus

I mean, we can get you out in a heart beat

You are still an option

You could, but that's not the wisest manuever.

Right now, the thread and the site is basically loud accurate people get noosed. My biggest SR is professor but Nancy doesn't want it. So we're voting wherever she wants.

~Titus

Nancy I want this too! Listen to Titus and let's get scum!

Why are you so convinced about Prof?

[Past Present Future]

Actually

VOTE: DDS

The only thing I wonder is that their role sounds kind of similar to yours but I honestly don’t know.

[Past Present Future]

But seriously town does not post like Prof's last three posts. If you all flip DDS and flips town I want no resistance to flipping Prof tomorrow.

How does he sound different here from LOST though?

[Past Present Future]

Am I allowed Math to deal with urgent rl stuff ffs?

Yes. I think that’s an overreaction.

I asked Titus what your reads were since you were AFK.

I didn’t say or imply you couldn’t be it was just odd.

No it wasn’t, my phone hasn’t been working since the 26th and it was less than 24 hrs anyway but I finally got it fixed but I will always react that way to anyone giving me grief for anything activity related because pretty much few things annoy me more than that.

I wasn’t giving grief though.

I noted the difference (fact) then asked Titus for your last read which if you two were in communication she’d know. That’s it.

She did answer you, she wants to vote Prof and I think he sounds similar to LOST, do you disagree?

[Past Present Future]

Actually

VOTE: DDS

The only thing I wonder is that their role sounds kind of similar to yours but I honestly don’t know.

Their role works very differently from mine since I'm only a role watcher

Well you both can check if someone has been targeted and they can do it both nights or am I misunderstanding this?

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

It’s still my theory that at least one of the slots that jumped from us to MMR is probably scum, so maybe Dangle could be scum here? I can’t tell with Ydrasse but the way MMR over the top white knighted STD seems odd if they’re buddies and the arguing with FA doesn’t look partnery, so it has to amongst those three, I think.

[Past Present Future]

Am I allowed Math to deal with urgent rl stuff ffs?

Yes. I think that’s an overreaction.

I asked Titus what your reads were since you were AFK.

I didn’t say or imply you couldn’t be it was just odd.

No it wasn’t, my phone hasn’t been working since the 26th and it was less than 24 hrs anyway but I finally got it fixed but I will always react that way to anyone giving me grief for anything activity related because pretty much few things annoy me more than that.

disgusting ate on day end @PPF

both of you

Do you think I was kidding with this? If I for some unexpected reason would have needed to call 911, I couldn’t have.

[Past Present Future]

Dawn 1 Final VC

MMR (8) Radical Rat, Past Present Future, Mathblade, furtiveglance, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Ydrasse , Firebringer, Unwnd, [Hammer]

Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,

Unwnd (2) Mastina, Yume

Not Voting (1) T-bone,

Deadline: 1 day*
With 15 alive it took 8 to eliminate.
Deadline was frozen for replacements.

It’s still my theory that at least one of the slots that jumped from us to MMR is probably scum, so maybe Dangle could be scum here? I can’t tell with Ydrasse but the way MMR over the top white knighted STD seems odd if they’re buddies and the arguing with FA doesn’t look partnery, so it has to amongst those three, I think.

Sorry, which three? DDS, and two others?

Ydrasse and Fire. They were all at the end of MMR wagon, so I think it’s likely at least one vote had to be a bus.

[Past Present Future]

Basically DDS and I have very different roles and that shouldn't be a reason to vote DDS

I just really don’t know who to vote for. I still strongly read you and Meuh as town.

[Past Present Future]

Oh Nancy, do you remember how Prof crumbles on day 1 when they were wagoned? I don't remember them doing that at any point during Lost, do you?

I feel like if you're a person who relies on meta, that's a pretty obvious difference, no?

I don’t think they were ever actually wagoned on LOST until the day after they faked the guilty on DNA.

[Past Present Future]

I'm not trying to be toxic here, and I don't want you to get mad, it just feels like emotional manipulation fmpov

I’m sure no one else would be freaking out if they literally couldn’t call out on their phone for almost a week. I’m not going to continue discussing this because then I will become toxic. I also dislike activity-based pushes in general. I do however think pushes based on a player posting elsewhere on site and looking like they’re avoiding the game are valid, for obvious reasons.

ye take note that I'm not voting you for this reason it just annoys me a little bit

Can we just drop this now? Thanks.

[Past Present Future]

Oh Nancy, do you remember how Prof crumbles on day 1 when they were wagoned? I don't remember them doing that at any point during Lost, do you?

I feel like if you're a person who relies on meta, that's a pretty obvious difference, no?

There’s a post where MMR calls Prof “rude”, so I think it looks antipartnery.

[Past Present Future]

VC 1.0.15




professotic (7) Mastina, Bunnyonce, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Past Present Future, Scarfmanship, Yume, MMR [E-2]

Mastina (4) Frozen Angel, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe,

scarfmanship (1)furtiveglance,
Frozen Angel (1) Radja,
Bunnyonce (1) professotic,


Not Voting (3) Enchant, Ydrasse, Mathblade,


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-01 13:00:17)

This makes me think Prof and MMR are unlikely aligned.

[Past Present Future]

CSF: "someone did something bad to Meuh"

Meuh: "This guy is lunar"

ppf: "If I die world ends"

RR: I can unburn people

t-bone: ye he "unburned me"

proffesor: we died and came back to life, (I know ridiculous) but true

Yes, our role pm also says we can effectively reverse climate change and save all endangered species and plant life, end world hunger and that our death results in the apocalypse and the end of Disney World. I don’t know how I forgot to mention that part.

[Past Present Future]

I’m really not sure what to make of Ydrasse. She sounds tonally townie and doesn’t appear to have any agenda but I don’t understand why she keeps saying she wants to die?

[Past Present Future]

Potential recruitment makes it incredibly difficult to have a satisfying answer to that question

I think JunkoChan, you, MathBlade, Ydrasse and T-Bone all at least started as town
I'd add PPF to that list, but the MMR guilty situation has given me doubts

My leftover pool is {RR, Meuh, professotic, Enchant, Firebringer, Porkens}
I don't think RR or Meuh are sensible places to look for scum in the current gamestate
And I'm left with four people who would almost always wind up in a PoE pool of mine and no confidence in any particular scumread

I think Firebringer and PPF are probably the most likely slots to flip scum in my eyes. That's not to say that they're definitely scum, but I'd be least surprised to see that they're scum in this game.

I think professor is probably town due to both role and play. I do think he's being actively anti-town, but like that's not abnormal for him and I'm probably biased in leaving him open as an option. Still, could see this being intentional as a scum tactic, so I'm not going to cross him off the list. But they're probably my biggest townread of the yellows.

I've forgotten why either RR or T-Bone can't be Lunar? Can someone remind me of that please. Because RR's role could be fine as a real Lunar role.

I think Meuh and T-Bone (and Firebringer actually) are very much in the same sort of category for me. They all feel like they're playing the game in a pro-town way and are pushing things that make a lot of sense to me. I think this is where I'm potentially suffering from multiball bias - I think it's possible that any of these players are scum who are playing very similarly to how town would play because they're exerting most of their effort genuinely trying to find other scum. And so I suspect there's at least one blind spot for me here.

And Enchant is right above PPF/Firebringer I suppose. Doesn't really feel like scum, but maybe that's just... wrong.


So I'd like to vote in Firebringer/PPF/Enchant here, in probably that order.

VOTE: Firebringer

This is probably what has been bothering me about your slot from the getgo. It seems that you almost seem to have a different read on us each post unless that disparity is actually head driven, because otherwise it’s just really strange.

[Past Present Future]

Catching up, haven't spoken to klick.
Page 19: klick feels a little better about drap, says the alt makes sense. T bone is probably town. The radja/ranta convo feels like busy work from PPF

I don't think prof and math are alinged. Fa is probably town. Klick feels slightly more null about the MMR slot and I did like roden's posting.

@titus, what is a town fos? Can you expand to us a bit in general?

Mech talk, my fave.
Math is not that hard to read: I want to point to pyp.

I don't hate tituus' reads but that's not enough scum reads. Although I've lost a few hard scum reads in my catch up. Still could vote for radja, maid cafe, maybe PPF. Want so much more from furtive, yume and like at least two other slots who I've literally forgotten exist.

-bella, with the flu.will catch up with klick tonight.

?? What have the yume And drapion votes got to do with each other? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm confused. My main issue was naked voting, Ans I think this was before the readlist/ definitely before id spoken to klick about the readlist, which was really clearly the trigger point for the vote.

I was never arguing with you about a vote, it wasn't about you. O.o

I am really sensitive to 'posting for the sake of posting/bisywork' from your slot, Ans Titus said earlier that my concern about her posting was valid.

Can you explain your issue with our posts in context? We decided that your slot was actually more likely to be town earlier.

P-edit meant kindly but do you think you could be jumping at shadows a bit?

So this started on d1. You say in one post you could vote us and in the next, you say you think we’re town and you’re still doing it. I’d rather you’d just straight up sr us then this constant waffling on us.

[Past Present Future]

Professotic has disappeared without a trace. Their role was unknown.

Furtiveglance was eliminated. Their role was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Professotic has reappeared. They rejoin the game.

@TBone. We have evidence of their claim being true. Our role otoh, can only be confirmed by flip. I think Prof sounds similar to LOST here.

[Past Present Future]

Oh Nancy, do you remember how Prof crumbles on day 1 when they were wagoned? I don't remember them doing that at any point during Lost, do you?

I feel like if you're a person who relies on meta, that's a pretty obvious difference, no?

I don’t think they were ever actually wagoned on LOST until the day after they faked the guilty on DNA.

I'm also drawing the parallel to now. They aren't being wagoned atm but still reacting badly to pressure in a way I don't think they did in our last game together.

Okay, tell me how you think they’re reacting differently here because I’m not seeing it? And me and Titus not seeing eye to eye on reads shouldn’t really surprise anyone.

[Past Present Future]

I don't think professotic's role is a very likely scum role

Potential recruitment makes it incredibly difficult to have a satisfying answer to that question

I think JunkoChan, you, MathBlade, Ydrasse and T-Bone all at least started as town
I'd add PPF to that list, but the MMR guilty situation has given me doubts

My leftover pool is {RR, Meuh, professotic, Enchant, Firebringer, Porkens}
I don't think RR or Meuh are sensible places to look for scum in the current gamestate
And I'm left with four people who would almost always wind up in a PoE pool of mine and no confidence in any particular scumread

Isn’t this contradicting?

You’re right, so I want to know if this is the same head making these contradictory posts or hydra dissonance because if Dangle wasn’t a hydra, my vote would definitely be on them for that.

[Past Present Future]

I don’t know for certain but this is what I feel matches everyone’s play.

Alternatively, I am town who knows how to read PPF.

PPF's play is their townplay--if you can't see that, that is, frankly, bluntly: your problem. And it is exactly that. A problem with you.

You can't pretend it's PPF's fault.

You can't pretend PPF haven't been town.

Past Present Future have been the towniest they have ever been this game--if you can't see that, that's a you issue. Not an issue with them.

This is the towniest game I have ever had--if you can't see that this is my towngame, that is, frankly, bluntly: your problem. Not mine. A problem with you, which is exactly that. You have played with me before and this is genuinely LEAGUES out of ANYTHING I have EVER shown before as scum. Nothing even remotely compares; scumastina has

never

had a three-page iso during a game. (I obtained a three-page iso in Star Wars Rogue One in

postgame

, but during the

actual game

, my iso was only two pages long.) Admittedly, I'm not at three pages

yet

, but I'm DAMN close and if I'm not nightkilled, I guarantee I'm crossing the three-page threshold this game.

That aside from the sheer amount of range I have displayed. scumastina can push things strongly, but while her strong pushes give the appearance of having conviction, she isn't actually convinced, she is faking being convinced, and it shows. Here the fact that I did believe it should show. scumastina does not become spiteful. scumastina does not use a claim to end her day phase as, she uses the claim as soon as in threat. scumastina never outs the breadcrumbs of a player publicly, she'd just point them out in the scum PT. scumastina doesn't get furious at not getting her way, and as far as I can recall, has never actually faked that. (scumastina gets genuinely angry at accusations which have no place in the game, but I'm pretty sure I've never lost my cool as scum for anything outside of that and have never faked it, either.) scumastina does not deliberately and actively enter the spotlight especially in a multiball game. scumastina lets the town eliminate town. scumastina does not speak up. scumastina does the bare minimum. And if you were to think rationally, you would realize all of that is true.
That while scumastina can fake any individual town trait (at least short-term), she cannot fake

all

of them long-term, and the entire array of towntells (literally all of them, even the contradictory ones because at different points I have had polarly opposite mindsets/styles/etc.) has been present in ways that have never appeared in scumgames because I genuinely couldn't pull this off as scum.

If you can't look at my play and see that I

cannot

pull this off as scum, after all of your games with me and seeing my scumgame and towngame repeatedly, after having seen countless towngames where I was playing like this or similar and how none of my scumgames are even remotely close to this game beyond surface-level similarities that are more personality/playstyle than anything else, if you can't tell that my pushes are town-motivated, that I have genuinely scumhunted and given my thoughts on the entire game and laid out why I have thought what I have, when I have, and you can't see why I would think those things as town?

That's a you issue.

Not a me issue.

I get that from an uninformed perspective, I look like I am partnered with PPF--but in this case it is as town not as scum because I know them to be town and they

mostly

know me to be town (the fact that they have doubted me as town should prove we're not scumbuddies btw).

What matches PPF's play.
What matches my play.
Is PPF being town.
Is me being town.

It matches our play because we are town.

If you can't see that we are town and that our play matches with us being town--then that's an issue with you. Not with us. Because this IS clear as day.

Past Present Future is

never

scum here.
And I am town.
So in that sense we are partnered, as honorary masons. No literal confirmation, but effectively confirmed to share the same alignment and for that alignment to be town. That is what our play is, that is what matches it, because that's what the case is.

This isn’t the post I was looking for, I wanted to find the one where Mastina said that people who sr her have pretty much forfeited their right to ever claim they know how to read her but I just can’t slog through every Mastina post, so this one will have to do but it’s so freaking obvious to me that Mastina’s town here.

[Past Present Future]

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

And people seriously wonder why I’m not efforting more.

[Past Present Future]

Why are we flipping a slot confirmed not to be one particular alignment? Makes no sense.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

So this started on d1. You say in one post you could vote us and in the next, you say you think we’re town and you’re still doing it. I’d rather you’d just straight up sr us then this constant waffling on us.

I'm sorry our read on you isn't how you'd like to see it. I hope having it actually be how we're reading you is a decent consolation prize!

From my perspective (Klick here - the two early-game posts you quoted were from Bella), I have no reason to think Auro is town, and I have no reason to think Titus is town. The question I have about your slot is whether Nancy as scum actually spends the amount of time and effort she has spent on things that don't at all advance a scum wincon. My leaning thus far has been 'probably not', and that was boosted up a fair amount by mastina having a very strong opinion on your slot being town for basically the same reasons (mastina and I form reads rather similarly, at least recently, and I trust that method). But we're now in a situation where I don't think that many people can be scum, and my 'probably not' isn't necessarily right, like it wasn't with MMR. It doesn't help that it's definitely looking a lot more like MMR actually had a Vanilla result on you than it did previously.

If I had a confident scumread, I'd be voting them, pushing for them, and otherwise making it known at this point. But that's not what I have.

What I’d actually like to see from you is consistency. Why would anyone have a read on a no poster? Auro has had serious health issues and doesn’t even know what’s going on in this game.

Why do you go from tr us in one post and wanting to vote us in the next? And on d1, it was the converse. So I want to understand the reasoning for that?

[Past Present Future]

I don't think professotic's role is a very likely scum role

Potential recruitment makes it incredibly difficult to have a satisfying answer to that question

I think JunkoChan, you, MathBlade, Ydrasse and T-Bone all at least started as town
I'd add PPF to that list, but the MMR guilty situation has given me doubts

My leftover pool is {RR, Meuh, professotic, Enchant, Firebringer, Porkens}
I don't think RR or Meuh are sensible places to look for scum in the current gamestate
And I'm left with four people who would almost always wind up in a PoE pool of mine and no confidence in any particular scumread

Isn’t this contradicting?

You’re right, so I want to know if this is the same head making these contradictory posts or hydra dissonance because if Dangle wasn’t a hydra, my vote would definitely be on them for that.

These were both me, Klick

6602 makes my stance on professotic fairly clear in a way that doesn't conflict with either 6596 or 6427

I understand that nuance and uncertainty is a particularly hard concept to grasp on the internet though. I was sitting around saying 'I dunno my reads probably suck' earlier and none of you liked that either

Right, well my point stands then. Well I think it just looks weird to me and MMR also treated our slot similarly, so I’m just trying to understand how your read on us seems to keep changing from post to post?

[Past Present Future]

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

For someone who has Ydrass in their PoE I would never have expected that person to accidentally quote a post of me voting for them and then saying you miss clicked and not adding anything else on that subject.

It's a common phone bug, stop trying to turn it into an actual point.

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

And people seriously wonder why I’m not efforting more.

...because you're in people's POEs?

When nothing I post seems to matter anyway, I just feel I’m wasting my time, because this seems to be the case literally no matter what I do in this game.

[Past Present Future]

Mainly I want to solve in RR/CSF/DDS today.

I think a scum has to exist in that pairing somewhere.

Why CSF? How are they playing differently from LOST here?

[Past Present Future]

It is taking everything in my soul to not just tunnel you for that comment here.

Like that implication is insulting and breaks many many site rules Junko.

I don’t ever break site rules for a game.

I have to 100% back up Math on this. He’s probably one of the most ethical players on site. When we hydra’d together awhile back, I was venting to him about a game I was in on a site he wasn’t even a member of and he shut me down on that immediately.

[Past Present Future]

It is taking everything in my soul to not just tunnel you for that comment here.

Like that implication is insulting and breaks many many site rules Junko.

I don’t ever break site rules for a game.

I have to 100% back up Math on this. He’s probably one of the most ethical players on site. When we hydra’d together awhile back, I was venting to him about a game I was in on a site he wasn’t even a member of and he shut me down on that immediately.

I wasn’t currently in that game because another player followed me to MS and got me modkilled in that particular game but it was ongoing att. But Math completely shut it down, as well he should have. Just saying how seriously he takes ruie integrity.

[Past Present Future]

It is taking everything in my soul to not just tunnel you for that comment here.

Like that implication is insulting and breaks many many site rules Junko.

I don’t ever break site rules for a game.

I have to 100% back up Math on this. He’s probably one of the most ethical players on site. When we hydra’d together awhile back, I was venting to him about a game I was in on a site he wasn’t even a member of and he shut me down on that immediately.

I wasn’t currently in that game because another player followed me to MS and got me modkilled in that particular game but it was ongoing att. But Math completely shut it down, as well he should have. Just saying how seriously he takes ruie integrity.

you can stop now, I already said it was ok, I'm not reporting or anything

???

I never said you were. I’m just saying I know Math and how seriously he takes these kinds of things.

[Past Present Future]

I still think both CSF and Meuh are town so not voting either.

I still have no clue what to make of Ydrasse in this game. \_0_/

[Past Present Future]

we flipped scum meuh and junko just says im double confirmed scum.

There’s a Mastina’s post where she gets spanked for Ogi for saying no one voting her has the right to ever say that they can correctly read her or something is not something I can recall scum!Mastina doing. And then there was her fight with unwnd. I think you’re wrong.