Mini 619 - Ramen Mafia (Over!)

[ClockworkRuse]

Vote: Darla

I figured that you would use that as you last resort defense. If you really did delete your pm, then I suggest that you always keep your Role PM.

The answer to the question really isn't that important anymore but if anyone wants to ask me to answer it go ahead.

Charter, has my claim made you feel that I'm more town? I understand that you still suspect me, and to be honest, I expect it and am VERY glad that you still do. That is a plus in my book for you being pro town as you should always suspect people regardless of claim, but is it more suspicion, less, or the same?

BB, I don't like any post that says 'I think XXXX is town.' To me, it's buddying and honestly, I find your claim a little unbelievable. Here's why;
First, everyone look at Kiwi's role.

Creamy Chicken.

I don't think the mod would use the role name Chicken twice in this game. Notice how even the masons had different roles. In fact, after this massclaim I am almost absolutely certain that each player had a different role in this game.

Second, the method doesn't make much sense at all. When the method is compared to everyone else, Creamy Chicken 'creamed people', Shrimp can hide underwater, Oriental Ramen is highly intelligent. You get eaten. I would like everyone to make note the difference between the flavors here.

We are playing as these 'Ramen' noodles. However, each noodle is presented as if we are that bunch of noodles and that we are trained or have special abilities. Apparently people eat you, which doesn't fit into the flavoring style at all.


As for why we have individual roles,everyone read your role PMs. It doesn't seem like it gives the possibility of anyone else having the same role, in my opinion. The sentence that BBM doesn't like me makes me think that. [This is also the answer to that question before.]


So in conclusion, I'm in favor of a Darla and BB scum team.

[melikefood]

Misread on my part XD

[strife220]

Yea Darla asking to be investigate is another scum-tell, given that scum possibly have a godfather and, failing that, some sort of roleblocking ability.

@CWR: I obviously agree with the Darla BB scum-team, but I don't udnerstand your first point. Kiwi's role is Creamy Chicken, so BB can't be plain chicken? Food is Spicy Chicken. Just because they have the same word doesn't mean they're the same role.

@BB: Sorry, I apparently did skim your EBWOP. It doesn't have much of an effect on my opinion, however. Implying that I'm scum because I 'keep missing your points' is a pretty big stretch. As far as I remember this is the only thing I actually missed, and the others just weren't relevant to whatever I was talking about. Also this:

And finally, I said it should be fairly obvious what my role COULD BE. Obviously it ISN'T vanilla town

still makes zero sense. If it does make sense, please fill in the blank:
"Based on my name-claim of Chicken Raman and my previous statements, it is fairly obvious that my role COULD be _________"


@Charter: The biggest problem with a CWR and Darla scumteam is that everybody else must be telling the truth (overpowered town), and CWR and Darla just couldn't come up with anything better than both claiming vanilla. It's a fairly unreasonable scum-team, as far as I can tell.



I think we're getting close to a lynch here, so

Mod: Vote count please

[ClockworkRuse]

@CWR: I obviously agree with the Darla BB scum-team, but I don't udnerstand your first point. Kiwi's role is Creamy Chicken, so BB can't be plain chicken? Food is Spicy Chicken. Just because they have the same word doesn't mean they're the same role.

Food is Spicy Chicken? Then excuse that point, as it is obviously wrong.

However, do you agree that the flavor of his claim seems to be off?

[strife220]

BB is chicken and is therefore the jailkeeper? Or that others 'use' their ramen powers while BB gets eaten himself?
It's certainly weird, but I don't think it should be used as a major strike against him. It's pretty hard for a mod to pick completely logical names for all their roles, and some games I've been in the connection between flavor and ability have been essentially nil. Food and I learned to communicate using our 'spicy powers.'

I think the much bigger issue here is the convenience of his claim (especially jailing sthar8), his lack of counter-claiming Muerrto, and the bumbling soft-claim that in no way matched 'jailkeeper.' He fits a scum profile very well.

[ClockworkRuse]

BB is chicken and is therefore the jailkeeper? Or that others 'use' their ramen powers while BB gets eaten himself?
It's certainly weird, but I don't think it should be used as a major strike against him. It's pretty hard for a mod to pick completely logical names for all their roles, and some games I've been in the connection between flavor and ability have been essentially nil. Food and I learned to communicate using our 'spicy powers.'

I think the much bigger issue here is the convenience of his claim (especially jailing sthar8), his lack of counter-claiming Muerrto, and the bumbling soft-claim that in no way matched 'jailkeeper.' He fits a scum profile very well.

I'm not saying that it's a major strike, but it seems like FlameAxe has been pretty consistent that we actually use our powers and that our role name is just to add a little bit of flavoring. To me, it just doesn't add up.

And obviously, I agree with you that the timing and way that he claimed is strange.


And I've been wondering why it would have been dangerous to false-claim my name but not my role, to try to catch scum copying me. Would I be lynched if I called that person out? To me, it seems like a pretty pro-town reason to lie.

[strife220]

There are lots of cases where townies have chosen to lie. More often than not, it does more harm than good. If you lied but successfully caught scum, then obviously that's a good thing. A more likely situation is you lie, don't catch scum, and then have to backtrack and tell everyone you were lying, which people won't look at fondly. So generally, if you're going to lie about something, you just need to take a close look at the risk-benefit ratio, and understand that scum have lots of motivation to lie as well, with you lumped into the same category.

So no, lying doesn't mean you'll definitely get lynched, but it's generally not a good choice unless you're confident there's a strong payoff.

[sthar8]

B_B:
1. I don't think anyone doubts that your flavor is chicken. And I believe that you have some kind of RB power. The only thing we're questioning is your alignment.
2. I'm a dude
3. As of my claim, you were number two on my list. I was noting that

if

you were telling the truth, targetting me was funny. Also, it's kind of funny that I was intentionally dropping PR tells, and you decided I was the least likely to have a power role of all the pro-town players. The "quick change" really only moved you up by one spot, and that was because CWR's chances of being scum are entirely dependant on Darla being scum.
4. Lemme check my shorts...yup, definately boy-parts
5. It kind of bothers me that you are limiting your scum-hunting to "players who find me suspicious." Keeping to that reasoning is bound to increase your suspect pool.
6. My chest is almost as hairy as my face, and I'm not from Eastern Europe.
7. I'm a little uneasy letting a claimed blocking role live when we know that our cop was blocked last night. Claiming town jailer as a scum RB or jailer would be very similar to Oman's gambit in the prequel game.
8. I'm pretty sure I was the one who said I was reading your posts very carefully. Then again, my avatar and strife's are apparantly virtually identical...

I agree that BB/Darla is the most likely scumpair. I think CWR/Darla is very unlikely, and the only other pair I could see at the moment is BB/charter. That pairing is very unlikely, however, because it potentially limits the scum team's actions a whole lot. In addition, if we discover that BB is scum, we have a solvable situation if it comes down to a choice between Darla and charter. I'm not sold on the fact that both masons are confirmed, but I doubt that they are both scum and a scummason is a little unlikely.

[strife220]

I'd rather lynch Darla today because she's more likely to be scum (two plain dry raman?? deleted PM??). If BB is role-blocker, there isn't much damage he can do given the claimed roles. We have the ability to direct him as well, where he would be forced to role-block instead of make a kill (if RB can't do both). For example, if we lynch Darla and she flips Godfather, have BB jail the cop. If he's RBer, he'll be forced to use his RB instead of perform the kill (if that's how mechanics work with the RB role here). It also allows the doc to choose a different protection target.

[sthar8]

Good point strife. I'd like a votecount before I place mine, though, to avoid any abrupt day-ends like yesterday's.

[charter]

Charter, has my claim made you feel that I'm more town? I understand that you still suspect me, and to be honest, I expect it and am VERY glad that you still do. That is a plus in my book for you being pro town as you should always suspect people regardless of claim, but is it more suspicion, less, or the same?

If Darla flips town, I'll be very suspect of you and will push your lynch all out tomorrow. If she flips scum, then I'm going for BB and I will think you are most likely town.

@strife, Flameaxe is V/LA for a while so I don't know when we're going to get a votecount or end of the day.

[strife220]

@strife, Flameaxe is V/LA for a while so I don't know when we're going to get a votecount or end of the day.

Are mine and Sthar8's names/avatars really That similar?


Your logic on who is scum depending on what Darla flips is backwards. If Darla flips town, that means CWR is either definitely town, or has a copy of the plain, dry ramen role-PM

[charter]

I think we're getting close to a lynch here, so

Mod: Vote count please

No.

You're right, I got it backwards.

[melikefood]

Vote Darla

Because of your sketchy roleclaim and your deleted PM.

[ClockworkRuse]

@strife, Flameaxe is V/LA for a while so I don't know when we're going to get a votecount or end of the day.

Are mine and Sthar8's names/avatars really That similar?


Your logic on who is scum depending on what Darla flips is backwards. If Darla flips town, that means CWR is either definitely town, or has a copy of the plain, dry ramen role-PM

No, I have no idea why people keep doing that. It is kind of funny though.

[strife220]

Forgot I asked for a votecount myself. Sthar8 asked for one in the post immediately preceeding yours too, charter


Darla is L-1 by my count

[charter]

Oh, I must have missed that. I was in a rush before. I had something I meant to address in my last post, but I can't remember it now. Hopefully it comes back to me.

[Beyond_Birthday]

First:
Okay, so I give you chicken ramen to eat. And, you take your sweet time to eat it, so you can't do anything that night. I apparently give people chicken noodle soup, not that they eat me. I am a great jailer chef! yay!


Second:
Anyway, I don't like all this reasoning that gives me a 66% chance of being scum.

Third:
Um, actually, I I keep thinking sthar is a girl because Sthar-->star (minus H), and that seems like a girls name.

Fourth:
Yeah, strife and Sthar, I remember things by name, not avatar. So, when I think of that S name, I might type the wrong one. And Strife, definitely a male's name. Dunno what Sthar is supposed to be... sorry guy.

Fifth:
I have no objections, so who should I jail?

[charter]

Second, if you don't like it, you'd best try and prove it wrong. Saying you don't like it isn't going to convince anyone you're scum.

Fifth, don't tell the scum who they can't kill tonight...

On a related note (and what I forgot yesterday)

I'd rather lynch Darla today because she's more likely to be scum (two plain dry raman?? deleted PM??). If BB is role-blocker, there isn't much damage he can do given the claimed roles. We have the ability to direct him as well, where he would be forced to role-block instead of make a kill (if RB can't do both). For example, if we lynch Darla and she flips Godfather, have BB jail the cop. If he's RBer, he'll be forced to use his RB instead of perform the kill (if that's how mechanics work with the RB role here). It also allows the doc to choose a different protection target.

How does this allow me to protect someone else exactly?

[charter]

That should be

Second, if you don't like it, you'd best try and prove it wrong. Saying you don't like it isn't going to convince anyone you're

NOT

scum.

[strife220]

If BB protects the Cop, you can protect anyone you please. Regardless of if BB is scum or town, he's forced to 'protect' (or pretend to protect) WK, so WK won't get killed. The only person open to target is you, Charter, and scum seem to have a weird thing against killing you - perhaps because you have 2 strikes.

This only applies if Darla flips GF. If Darla flips RB, then we're even better off - BB should be able to prove his Jailkeeping ability because WK shouldn't get a night result.

[charter]

Ah. I see. I I take back my answer to your fifth question then BB.

[sthar8]

Way back in the early 90s, when I learned to operate the Internet, the military (at least the base I was on) was in the habit of assigning account names. Mine was the first two letters of my first name, then the first three letters of my last name, then the number 8, since I was the eighth user to be signed up on an account with those particulars. Since my birthday is the 8th, and my school ID number at the time (which was pretty useless, given that there were only about 15 students) was 8, I decided I liked the convenience of the screen name. I've been using it ever since, excepting an unfortunate period when a girlfriend changed it to compliment hers.

Also, the little symbol next to "gender" under each person's avatar is generally a safe guide when attempting to determine the sex of an internet entity.

I'm waiting on the mod before I vote, but I think Darla is a good plan. If she flips town, however, I think that BB should target somebody other than WK, on the slight chance that either the GF can't submit kills, or the RB decides to target someone else. I also think BB should target someone other than me, since I don't need his protection and if he's town that leaves only two targets for scum.

On the other hand, if BB continues to protect me, scum may try to increase suspicion on me by no-killing or targetting WK on the off chance that charter doesn't protect him. If WK dies, there is less suspicion on me and we lose a cop. If he lives, which is more likely, we have a second night without kills and there is a slightly greater amount of suspicion on me. This does not bother me at all, as fewer kills means more chances for the town.'

All of this is very unlikely, and I find it probable that Darla will flip scum, but we should be prepared in any case.

[windkirby]

Here for my daily post to prevent a third strike. No real change of opinion, I don't really cared if I get jailed or not. It's really up to you guys.

[sthar8]

WK, just remember that if we do decide to jail you, you still need to pick a target and submit, otherwise we gain significantly less information.