Open 407: Masons and Monks (Game Over!)

[BK201]

I didn't ISO that far back, and just realized you're timeater, thought you just replaced him. You had prior suspicions of lane/jackal, but the monk-hunting was all that was presented with your vote, that plus the Whiskers NK is interesting. If this was a 1-scumteam game I would say you're probably town. I still think you're a werewolf.

[syndromeofadown]

Dazzy has been prodded

Day 3 Vote Count #4

Dazzy (2)

- maxwell, Cynic Clinic

BK201 (1)

- Papi Bear

Papi Bear (1)

- Elmo TeH AzN

Alchemist (1)

- BK201

Cynic Clinic (1)

- Alchemist

Not Voting

- Dazzy

Day 3 deadline:

(expired on 2012-07-12 12:03:12)

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[maxwell]

Alchemist, CC isn't saying much about your vote because you haven't presented a single real reason for him being scum and the change makes no sense whatsoever

BK,I don't believe hoping that scum cross-kill is the safest play, I can run the math later to see which is the better play. Alchemist's posting is starting to look incredibly forced though.

[Alchemist]

Hey buttmunch~

CC isn't town, you'd have to be an autistic idiot to think otherwise. Just ISO him. I dont have the patience to hold hands. You'll come around eventually, hopefully.

[Alchemist]

Alchemist, CC isn't saying much about your vote because you haven't presented a single real reason for him being scum and the change makes no sense whatsoever

Its not blatantly obvious?

Do you think I'm the type of player to make walls?

I REALLY WANT YOU TO BE TOWN BRO PLEASE BE TOWN

[Alchemist]

Hey remember when we started to wagon CC the other day and he was posting in the thread and got REALLY FUCKING QUIET AND EVASIVE REAL FAST

LOL EVER SINCE WHISKERS HE HAS KEPT HIS HEAD DOWN

[Alchemist]

Alchemist's posting is starting to look incredibly forced though.

MAYBE BECAUSE IM THE ONLY ONE ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME

FUCK THIS TOWN

[maxwell]

Drop the insults, the swearing, and the caps because it's not going to sway me. Let's say I don't see what you're talking about. Why do you think CC is scum?

[Cynic Clinic]

Alchemist, this fake rage troll gimmick you've got going isn't that funny, and it doesn't make me rage because sometimes your logic is wack.

OK, here goes. You said you think I'm scum because of my interactions with Whiskers D1. Well guess what. I thought he was scum. He acted it. He was buddying, he voted himself, and the reasons he was giving for defending his actions were IMO terrible. Everything he was doing was confirming my belief that he was scum. I missed the monk read so how was I supposed to believe that was true?

So the wolves kill him Night 1, and now I have no reads. I was so sure of myself, and then it came apart. I had no other reads, so I could do nothing but keep quiet.

Now you're doing the same thing. I changed my vote to Dazzy, but it didn't matter who I changed it to because everything I do now is just confirming that you think I'm scum.

- BK and Paul seem like a good wolf team. idk why they would kill AModestProposal unless they've got all the roles figured all out tho.

[maxwell]

Paul was lynched day 1, you realize.

[Cynic Clinic]

I mean BK and Papi. sound similar.

[Alchemist]

I DONT OPERATE ON LOGIC

YOU CANT FIND SCUM LOGICALLY THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS

YOU CAN BE LOGICALLY WHEN DISCERNING ROLES AND PIECING TOGETHER THINGS BUT ALL READS SPRING FROM INTUITION

SEMANTIC ANALYSIS ON CC TELLS ME HE ISNT BEING GENUINE

"OKAY HERE GOES"?

"DOESN'T MAKE YOU RAGE?"

"I CHANGED MY VOTE TO DAZZY, BUT IT DIDNT MATTER WHO I CHANGED IT TO"

YOUR WHOLE POST IS A CONSTANT CONTRADICTION YOU JUST DONT KNOW IT

THATS HOW GOOD I AM

[Alchemist]

So the wolves kill him Night 1, and now I have no reads. I was so sure of myself, and then it came apart. I had no other reads, so I could do nothing but keep quiet.

Can your sentence structure be any more broken? You're so nervous. You're so afraid of slipping it. You're so obviously scum.

Please sheep me guys.

If you want to win, sheep me.

[Alchemist]

"HEY GUYS ITS MYLO IVE LURKD 2 DAYS STRAIGHT AND I HAVE NO READS"

FUCKING LOL

[Alchemist]

Dazzy actively avoiding this thread

sigh

[Dazzy]

Not actively avoiding it, fulfilling modding responsibilities then coming over here.

[kondi2424]

Using this opportunity to take Post 666 as my bah post.

Bah.

[maxwell]

Okay, Alchemist, I see what you're saying about CC, but I'm not sure I buy it. Gimme a little bit to think about it. Also, why is your read on him stronger than your read on dazzy, especially given what you just noted?

@CC - you voted alchemist yesterday. Why did you vote him and why aren't you scum-reading him now?

[Dazzy]

Ok, so the issues with me stem from my interactions with lane, which I can understand. Looking at it the way Max did, sure, it could be seen as indirectly defending.
From my POV, however, I see:
When I attacked Paul, there were a LOT of people going after lane. I could have suspected almost anyone and you could make a similar argument.
Alchemist was using big letters and bullshit to push a lynch on a townread of mine (obviously an incorrect one), and I hadn't liked his earlier stuff anyways.
The D2 lynch went through within 4/5 pages. I saw a lynch going really goddamn fast and thought that was a bad thing. Didn't have time to say much else.

Now other people:
This will be slightly stream of consciousness, bear with me.

Alchemist: Almost surely not mafia due to strong attacks on lane since start of game. If he's bussing he's ballsy about it, but there is no real reason for him to do so.
However, I'm still thinking scum of some sort.
Actually, just did a quick ISO scan to figure out why I was thinking that. He'a abrasive and I don't like his style, but maybe my dislike is being confused with scumminess. Fuck it, alchemist might be town. If he's scum, it's with Papi methinks.
BK: I had an early townread on BK. Having done a quick re-read, I'm not seeing any reason to modify that as of now.

I think Alchemist's list of 1 town between CC/BK/Papi/Dazzy is mostly accurate, except I'd replace BK with Elmo and choose myself as the 1 town. I would be fine lynching CC or Papi today, I'm just having issues hammering down the third scum.
Elmo has been kind of a non-entity this whole game, just check out his ISO. Lurky, non-committal scum is an option there.
CC is just meh all around. Nothing saying town to me.
Wait, so
Town: Dazzy/BK(?)/Max/Elmo(?)/Alch(?)
Wolf: Papi/Alch/CC/Elmo
Maf: CC/Elmo/Papi/Hidden among townreads.

bleurgh. That's not very conclusive.

I'm interested in people's thoughts on Elmo actually.

Also - Thoughts on the masons claiming? We're in a dangerous situation anyways, maybe having that extra clear or two would be good?
I honestly don't know if that would be better than saving them until tomorrow for a more effective reveal. (I'm not a mason incase that wasn't clear)

VOTE: Papi

[Alchemist]

Elmo is town 100%

[Alchemist]

Papi is a shit vote. CC is scum and you know it.

[Dazzy]

He's one of two that are almost surely scum. The question is what flavour.

Thoughts on masons?

[Dazzy]

EBWOP: I should probably look a bit harder at papi before making a claim like that. Nevermind the almost surely part.

[Cynic Clinic]

@CC - you voted alchemist yesterday. Why did you vote him and why aren't you scum-reading him now?

I thought the reasoning behind lynching the other monk was not very pro-town, even if you did think jackal/lane was a mafia monk, seeing as how the wolves were going to take care of him if we didn't lynch him. If we caught a different scummer on D2, we would only have 2 scum members alive today instead of 3.

But seeing as how Jackal flipped mafia monk, nothing behind that results in Alchemist being scum. I found it strange everyone jumped on the wagon without discussion, but I guess that can be attributed to that modtell D1.

[maxwell]

He's one of two that are almost surely scum. The question is what flavour.

Thoughts on masons?

NO ONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

There is absolutely no reason town should be asking about masons at this point in the game and it basically confirms dazzy as scum