Newbie 2105 | Game Over

[Bellaphant]

? How is bbt bossing it?? He's scum read two town elims and a town pr. He also apparently forgot a whole player

With reads that bad, why wouldn't scum leave him alive? Likely what did happen today happens if me and bbt were just VT: we cross vote.

@ Spartan, I would really appreciate you addressing this.

Can you not see tons of partner equity with bbt and tapio?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Both Tapio and Looker have come alive when under pressure.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella you don't still think I am scum do you?

[Bellaphant]

How about you let me talk to Spartan

[Spartan117]

In a world where my town read on BBT is wrong and he is scum against me for the third time in a row, it could be possible for him to be partnered with Tapio or Looker, although both of them pushing to elim him doesn't make sense if one is his partner, wouldn't they try abd get a mis elim on the other from tapio or Looker rather than bus their own teammate?

[furtiveglance]

VC 3.4

BlueBloodedToffee (1): Tapiocaphobe

Looker (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting (4): Looker, Bellaphant, Spartan117, BlueSnakelet

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination or 3 to secure a no-elimination.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-04 19:55:52)

[Tapiocaphobe]

bbt elim bbt elim

[Spartan117]

I had a chance to skim back through BBTs ISO but didn't get enough time to really comment on it properly and I did see in isolation him pushing on both of them in the past so there could have been some distancing done earlier on to prepare for such a situation abd BBT is very experienced.

I'm just struggling with the fact, Looker only wants to elim BBT so makes it hard to believe he is his partner, and Tapio wants to elim one of BBT or me, and I know I'm town so it just doesn't make sense.
If one of them is his partner and they elim him it's then 1v3 and the night kill will be you or Blue Snake so I know I'll be around. I just would have thought trying to elim the other from tapio or looker would have been easier.

If this world does exist I feel from my pov it would be either

Tapio/Looker
Or
Tapio/BBT

So wouldn't tapio be the better vote? And then both you and bluesnake PR the same person and they wouldn't be able to block both of you, although I suppose they could block you and kill blue snake. Does the role blocker have precidenss over the jailkeeper?

[Spartan117]

bbt elim bbt elim

Are you bussing your partner? In this minimal prodge.

[Spartan117]

Are you just trying to wait us out and let us make the wrong decision?

[Spartan117]

I would really appreciate you addressing this.

Without going through all the posts right now, to summarise what I meant, I was referring to my own personal perspective of how I like to play and how I have seen BBT play in the past and how he has played this game, and I can full understand the confusion of me saying that with the results we have had with the flips.
But I have found his play in past games to be opportunistic looking for wagons to jump on and get others to do the work for him while agreeing with some things and challenging people to the point they would question their own reads.
In this game I saw his play looking a lot more hungry for results pushing people asking for answers, going back and trying to get info from people, and yes that has lead to a couple of town flips but you guys can't say that they weren't warranting that sus and most of us were on them wagons too, part of it may also be the pressure he's not putting on me this game two which could come from being pocketed as I have some what I feel are a couple sus things that he hasn't pushed buy I would have thought scumBBT would have pushed them idk.

[BlueSnakelet]

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Letting this come down to PRs is not ideal.

[Spartan117]

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Letting this come down to PRs is not ideal.

Thank you for finding that.

[Spartan117]

- I'm willing to vote BBT or Looker.

Why are you unwilling to vote Tapio again?

I understand you tracked them and they didn't go anywhere but they could be the mafia goon
If it is BBT/Tapio or Looker/Tapio, Tapio is the goon in both cases.

[Spartan117]

am paranoid that a newbie team doesn't eliminate in bbt/Spartan night one though

I feel weird that I would have thought if BBT was scum he would night kill me night 1 like he has done previously, the fact we are both still alive and he hasn't pushed me much this game feels weird partly also why I don't think he's scum.

I thought I acted sufficiently night 1 to avoid being the night kill target and I did. Which makes me think it wouldn't have been an SE mafia.

[BlueSnakelet]

- I'm willing to vote BBT or Looker.

Why are you unwilling to vote Tapio again?

I understand you tracked them and they didn't go anywhere but they could be the mafia goon
If it is BBT/Tapio or Looker/Tapio, Tapio is the goon in both cases.

We're running out of time. If you, BBT and Bella are willing to vote Tapio, I'm voting with you.

[Spartan117]

- I'm willing to vote BBT or Looker.

Why are you unwilling to vote Tapio again?

I understand you tracked them and they didn't go anywhere but they could be the mafia goon
If it is BBT/Tapio or Looker/Tapio, Tapio is the goon in both cases.

We're running out of time. If you, BBT and Bella are willing to vote Tapio, I'm voting with you.

We have 2 and a half days left, we can still talk this through before we make a decision.

[BlueSnakelet]

That's less than 2 prods away from the deadline. We're reaching a point were one can just shut up until the end of the day if they want. If we don't make a decision now, we might not get the chance.

We can still talk about it until the deadline, but we need a course of action prepared just in case.

[Looker]

They don't have to shut up, though; they can post and just ignore all your points. They can even make a prodge out of telling other people to ignore your points.

If you have the numbers to vote out Tapioca, I'm not going to DoS the thread with spam.

[Spartan117]

That's less than 2 prods away from the deadline. We're reaching a point were one can just shut up until the end of the day if they want. If we don't make a decision now, we might not get the chance.

We can still talk about it until the deadline, but we need a course of action prepared just in case.

If they go on radio silence till the deadline that is pretty much an admission of guilt given the circumstances.

[Spartan117]

They don't have to shut up, though; they can post and just ignore all your points. They can even make a prodge out of telling other people to ignore your points.

If you have the numbers to vote out Tapioca, I'm not going to DoS the thread with spam.

But like I said before communication today helps decisions tomorrow if there is gonna be one, its frustraiting the refusal to put effort in if either of you I'd town you should be doing everything to show us so any work with us, otherwise scum win by default and that's not a victory worth earning.

[BlueSnakelet]

That's less than 2 prods away from the deadline. We're reaching a point were one can just shut up until the end of the day if they want. If we don't make a decision now, we might not get the chance.

We can still talk about it until the deadline, but we need a course of action prepared just in case.

If they go on radio silence till the deadline that is pretty much an admission of guilt given the circumstances.

Ok, I'll retract #665.

[BlueSnakelet]

I would prefer BBT unless Tapioca has boldly led both miselims as scum

@Looker, is this your only reason to be against a Tapioca elimination?

[Spartan117]

That's less than 2 prods away from the deadline. We're reaching a point were one can just shut up until the end of the day if they want. If we don't make a decision now, we might not get the chance.

We can still talk about it until the deadline, but we need a course of action prepared just in case.

If they go on radio silence till the deadline that is pretty much an admission of guilt given the circumstances.

Ok, I'll retract #665.

So you're not willing to vote tapio?

[BlueSnakelet]

I'm not.