Star Wars Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

@WS:
I object 10 folds! If you tracked X player to Y house and he was found dead that night why the hell would you not at the very least fos him at the start of the day and not many pages later where I am arguing with him?

[CryMeARiver]

Holy shit, what the fuck is this nonsense? I take a few days off and bv310 conveniently pops back in with a guilty on me. Jesus H. Christ.

I guess we're being forced to claim since people are blindly believing this with no reason for flavor. I'm not sure what the fuck bv310 is smoking, but I'm certainly not evil.

I'm

Chewbacca

, Alliance Tracker

. Flavor talks about me being a former freighter pilot who was reluctantly convinced to join the rebel alliance, despite my desire to work independently from them, and I reluctantly joined. My ability is called "Homing Beacon", and it allows me to track one person each night.

Last night, I tracked SOG to THC. No bullshit. See my post here where I randomly target SOG after not mentioning him previously after D2 starts. Then here, when we place an FoS on SOG. I wasn't sure if he was a town PR who happened to visit the NK victim or not, and I thought by applying soft pressure he might slip up and reveal some connections, which I could use to town's advantage. But here we go with me being forced to claim.

Vote: SOG

unless he has a mighty convenient claim to explain why he visited THC last night.

@Town: seriously, just fucking trust me on this. I have no fucking clue why bv310 would get a guilty on me unless there's a redirect or some weird flavor shit going on, but let us lynch SOG today and you'll see how fucking right I am.

You gotta claim, SOG?

Holy shit fuck.
Let's stop outting PR's PLEASE! I understand this claim and all, but I'm getting pissed off at how far it's going.
I actually trust you surprisingly. You were also a convenient target for any framer so it makes sense.

Unvote; Vote: SOG

[farside22]

CMAR: What are your thoughts about bv310's claim?

[Kdub]

CMAR post 666:
Please do not quote or pretend to quote private communications, including your role PM. This applies to all players. I will let it go with just a warning this time.

Vote Count

d3x (0)

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farside22 (0)

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wolframnhart (0)

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ooba (0)

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Kast (0)

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Toon Fighter (0)

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ReaperCharlie (0)

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CryMeARiver (0)

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Dragon Phoenix (0)

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Wreck Star (4)

- bv310, ReaperCharlie, farside22, semioldguy

Slicey (0)

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Vel-Rahn Koon (0)

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AlmasterGM (0)

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Scott Brosius (2)

- FC Groningen, d3x

danakillsu (1)

- DragonsofSummer

FC Groningen (0)

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semioldguy (2)

- Wreck Star, CryMeARiver

DragonsofSummer (0)

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bv310 (2)

- Scott Brosius, AlmasterGM

No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (8)

- ooba, Kast, Toon Fighter, Vel-Rahn Koon, danakillsu, Slicey, Dragon Phoenix, wolframnhart

19 votes available, 10 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is May 22, ~10 am PDT

[CryMeARiver]

CMAR post 666:
Please do not quote or pretend to quote private communications, including your role PM. This applies to all players. I will let it go with just a warning this time.

Vote Count

d3x (0)

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farside22 (0)

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wolframnhart (0)

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ooba (0)

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Kast (0)

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Toon Fighter (0)

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ReaperCharlie (0)

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CryMeARiver (0)

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Dragon Phoenix (0)

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Wreck Star (4)

- bv310, ReaperCharlie, farside22, semioldguy

Slicey (0)

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Vel-Rahn Koon (0)

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AlmasterGM (0)

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Scott Brosius (2)

- FC Groningen, d3x

danakillsu (1)

- DragonsofSummer

FC Groningen (0)

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semioldguy (2)

- Wreck Star, CryMeARiver

DragonsofSummer (0)

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bv310 (2)

- Scott Brosius, AlmasterGM

No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (8)

- ooba, Kast, Toon Fighter, Vel-Rahn Koon, danakillsu, Slicey, Dragon Phoenix, wolframnhart

19 votes available, 10 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is May 22, ~10 am PDT

Sorry, it wasn't a direct quote, I just wanted to establish that I got "good" so "evil" would make sense.
@Farside: The fact that he got an "evil" makes me believe him. Also, he is uncc'd

[semioldguy]

I didn't target TwoHeadedCtclops last night.

[farside22]

@CMAR: You realize that bv310 had a statedt that WS is evil

fos: Semi

actually fuck that

unvote:
vote: Semioldguy

[Wreck Star]

I didn't target TwoHeadedCtclops last night.

Yeah, I know, you targeted TwoHeadedCyclops.

[ReaperCharlie]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait... whoa.

*brain turns inside out*

...


Ok... Wreck Star,

after reading back, I realize that bv310 hadn't claimed Luke Skywalker when you posted the 'I disbelieve you' thing, but why didn't you straight up say he was

lying

in the first place? That still sounds super scummy that you said that at all, and especially

how

you said it.

And another thing. I don't see AT ALL how LUKE SKYWALKER could be a fake claim. Ironically, it was you yourself who remarked (pages and pages ago, not gonna find it) that in Harry Potter mafia that Harry, Ron, and Hermione were the scum group, and not to base anything on a flavor judgement and assuming the mod won't be a bastard. Well, here I am, basing my opinion on a flavor judgement again, against your sage words of wisdom.

I simply don't see how Luke Skywalker could be told that Chewbacca is evil, unless he's either LYING (about his role AND his result) or whether he is telling the truth about both, but the result was just redirected or blocked or something.

@WS:
I object 10 folds! If you tracked X player to Y house and he was found dead that night why the hell would you not at the very least fos him at the start of the day and not many pages later where I am arguing with him?

Um... my first inclination would be...

maybe

because that'd be pretty obvious to do it randomly right off the bat, and then the scum would just have ANOTHER PR to target. And since I think Wreck (respectively) are both a lot smarter than CMAR, I wouldn't think they would reveal themselves that obviously.

@ WS again:

I

do

agree with farside though, I don't exactly understand why it took you so long to claim, other than that . I understand you'd rather hint at it and hope the smart ones of us would pick up on it, but... well... actually, yeah I probably would have done it like you did, too. You are definitely not off my scumdar, though.

Speaking of my scumdar, I recall saying in my

post 625

that Semioldguy was beginning to ping brightly. This whole chain of events either shows that I wasn't wrong about Semioldguy and that he IS scum, or that WS is randomly making a wild accusation. But somehow I don't believe that.

@ semioldguy:

I didn't target TwoHeadedCtclops last night.

Really.

Ok, so are you saying you DID target someone last night? You are the one in the spotlight now. Time to shine or die. This seems like a very similar way to battling accusations that Scott Brosius has, i.e. giving the least possible info, making (purposefully?) nebulous statements, and leaving us to try to figure out all the possibilities of all the things that you

could

mean. With a defense that weak, I am having trouble disbelieving Wreck Star's claim. You're gonna have to give me more than that.

And that's not all...

Vote: Wreck Star

Trying to slip a vote in under the radar?

Where is your reasoning?

I don't see

any.

Unvote; Vote Semioldguy

[ReaperCharlie]

Also... wtf?

Farside, what changed from your

post 675

to your

post 681

? Seems like a rather quick turnaround. I know you're supposed to be a confirmed townie and all (according to CMAR's investigation) but I don't see how you just changed your mind that easily.

It almost seems like you are talking in another private place to someone else, and THEY changed your mind. You are looking very suspicious TO ME at this point, I don't know if anyone else agrees with me. It'd also make sense, because if CMAR's investigation was redirected, you could actually have been scum and he would have been town.

$#1+! I don't know which investigation claim to believe or disbelieve now. Though I agree with your vote, obviously.

[semioldguy]

@ReaperCharlie
Is it somehow important to know who I did target or if I targeted anyone at all? Are you trying to get excess claims out of the day? Wreck Star is lying, because I didn't target TwoHeadedCyclops last night. I voted them because there is a claimed guilty result.

The accusation looks like an attempt to just get even more claims out there then there already are.

[Slicey]

Goddam Reaper Charlie stop the rolefishing please.

The obvious thing to do here is to have Kast shoot Wreck Star. If she's town, then we have two lynches in bv and semioldguy. If she's scum, well then we killed scum, and then we can move on from their.

I'm pretty sure Wreck Star is the liar in all this mess. But regardless if she's telling the truth or not, she's the best shot by far.

[farside22]

Frankly I didn't like Semi's comment about not targetting THC. He was too cool of a customer being accused by someone.
I know if someone would accuse me of something I didn't do I would be all like oh hell no you lying sack of scum.
As well as telling everyone to please lynch scum.

Another part of me is starting to wifom things due to some discussion on 2 mafia groups (still unconfirmed) bv's results and WS's claim.

I'm somewhere between wanting to vote WS and voting Semi. Do to many votes on WS I decided to vote for Semi for pressure and have Kast decide on which of the 3 people (bv, WS or Semi) he finds the most scummy to shot.

[Wreck Star]

Goddam Reaper Charlie stop the rolefishing please.

The obvious thing to do here is to have Kast shoot Wreck Star. If she's town, then we have two lynches in bv and semioldguy. If she's scum, well then we killed scum, and then we can move on from their.

I'm pretty sure Wreck Star is the liar in all this mess. But regardless if she's telling the truth or not, she's the best shot by far.

There are a few problems here:
1) Obviously, I know I'm not scum. I'm not 100% convinced bv310 is lying scum though - it'd practically be suicide to fakeclaim as cop D1 and get me lynched. I know he's been known for his less-than-stellar play, but I don't think even bv310 would be dumb enough to fakeclaim cop as Luke Skywalker this early on. He could've been redirected, or perhaps I was framed. I could see a Mafia Framer in this setup pretty easily, especially as a member of Jabba's organization (it would fit with the bounty thing, maybe Jabba's crew is centered around the mechanic of setting other people up?).

2) A dead SOG would easily prove just as much (if not more) than a dead me would. Plus, SOG has yet to say if he's a power role or not - not trying to out anymore power roles, but

I got a fucking visit on him last night

. So either he's a power role (which means I could be telling the truth or I could just be a lucky guess), or he's a VT (which means I'm lying), or he's scum (which means I'm definitely telling the truth). I'm pretty confident the chances of him HAPPENING to visit the dead mason means he's scum. If he's not, lynch the fuck out of me.

I propose this: Kast shoots SOG. If he flips VT, lynch me immediately. If he flips scum or power role, we can go from there.

Kast shooting me wouldn't really prove anything, as my flip would still allow SOG to come up with a fake power role claim if he's scum.

Kast shooting bv310 would prove nothing about my alignment or SOG's.

[CryMeARiver]

Goddam Reaper Charlie stop the rolefishing please.

The obvious thing to do here is to have Kast shoot Wreck Star. If she's town, then we have two lynches in bv and semioldguy. If she's scum, well then we killed scum, and then we can move on from their.

I'm pretty sure Wreck Star is the liar in all this mess. But regardless if she's telling the truth or not, she's the best shot by far.

No. SoG is definitely the best shot.

[ReaperCharlie]

Reaper Charlie stop the rolefishing please.

I'm not. I'm asking semioldguy to explain what I interpret to be an apparent scumslip.

@ReaperCharlie
Is it somehow important to know who I did target or if I targeted anyone at all? Are you trying to get excess claims out of the day? Wreck Star is lying, because I didn't target TwoHeadedCyclops last night. I voted them because there is a claimed guilty result.

What?! You're doing the same thing that Scott Brosius keeps doing: trying to use my own argument about why YOU are scum to suggest (albeit feebly) that

I

must be scum! To answer your question, YES it's important to know whether or not you are LYING or not!

I'm not trying to get excess claims! Our PRs are outing themselves left and right, so it's already WAY too late to try to protect all of them!

I personally think they're morons (especially CMAR) for outing themselves. But that aside, you must admit that there have already been quite enough claims already to deduce that

someone

is lying. So who is it?

Here is my train of thought:

Wreck claims he tracked you to THC, and THC is obviously dead. You could either be an investigative role, or you could be scum and have killed him. I completely fail to see why you would have

investigated

him, since he and wolf were obviously masons. After the mason claim, I doubt that there was

any

reason to investigate THC, so I am assuming that

if

Wreck Star is telling the truth, therefore you must have killed THC last night.

The reason I believe WS over you at this point is because he/she did not previously seem especially scummy to me, like you DID, other than they were just acting like a hydra and not even really trying to post like each other. That read as scummy to me because he/she seemed two-faced. But I wrote that off according to them being a hydra.

So... is Wreck

scum

? Quite possibly. I believe bv310 is telling the truth about being Luke. However, due to:

1. Wreck's strong counter-claim to bv's accusation,
2. Wreck calling SoG out (with a story that seems way too calculated to be random, and IS backed up by his past posts),
3. me already thinking SoG was scum previously (

post 625

),
4. ESPECIALLY because of SoG's your laughably feeble defense of Wreck Star's accusation,

I'm therefore

inclined

to think that bv310's result was phony. If it wasn't for all those things,

I would obviously still be on the Wreck Star wagon!

Bonus:

I actually trust you surprisingly.

You were also a convenient target for any framer so it makes sense.

Unvote; Vote: SOG

Frankly I didn't like Semi's comment about not targetting THC. He was too cool of a customer being accused by someone.
I know if someone would accuse me of something I didn't do I would be all like oh hell no you lying sack of scum.
As well as telling everyone to please lynch scum.

This seems like exactly what Wreck is doing. And exactly like what SoG is NOT doing. Which is

ABSOLUTELY

why my vote is for Semioldguy and not Wreck.

Another part of me is starting to wifom things due to some discussion on 2 mafia groups (still unconfirmed) bv's results and WS's claim.

I agree with you, the thought of multiple scumgroups keeps coming up in my head too. All of the sides are pretty heated, and it seems pretty certain that at least one of them are outright lying. I am reasonably convinced of bv310's honesty, however. He just might have been redirected. But out of Wreck and semioldguy, obviously SoG is the one who I think should be lynched first, because that tells us more.


Ok, I think I've calmed down now... *deep breaths*...



... And I still haven't forgotten about you, Scott Brosius. It's almost like you decided to try keep his nose clean and not post anything until my attention of you died down. Post your opinions NOW please. You are still a prime suspect in my mind.

[wolframnhart]

Holy shit, what the fuck is this nonsense? I take a few days off and bv310 conveniently pops back in with a guilty on me. Jesus H. Christ.

I guess we're being forced to claim since people are blindly believing this with no reason for flavor. I'm not sure what the fuck bv310 is smoking, but I'm certainly not evil.

I'm

Chewbacca

, Alliance Tracker

. Flavor talks about me being a former freighter pilot who was reluctantly convinced to join the rebel alliance, despite my desire to work independently from them, and I reluctantly joined. My ability is called "Homing Beacon", and it allows me to track one person each night.

Last night, I tracked SOG to THC. No bullshit. See my post here where I randomly target SOG after not mentioning him previously after D2 starts. Then here, when we place an FoS on SOG. I wasn't sure if he was a town PR who happened to visit the NK victim or not, and I thought by applying soft pressure he might slip up and reveal some connections, which I could use to town's advantage. But here we go with me being forced to claim.

Vote: SOG

unless he has a mighty convenient claim to explain why he visited THC last night.

@Town: seriously, just fucking trust me on this. I have no fucking clue why bv310 would get a guilty on me unless there's a redirect or some weird flavor shit going on, but let us lynch SOG today and you'll see how fucking right I am.

You gotta claim, SOG?

I cannot find anywhere in this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chewbacca Saying that chewbacca was a former freighter pilot that reluctantly joined the alliance. I see that Chewbacca and Han were smugglers, which i believe is different, and that they helped the rebellion, heck chewbacca even helped out in the clone wars with the jedi (though i realize the clone wars has no bearing on this game). Also see nothing about wanting to work independently, nor do i buy that chewbacca has a "homing beacon" because I see nothing that states the Millenium Falcon (which Chewbacca was crew or co-pilot of) having one. I see here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Homing_beacon that the empire has one, but nothing stating chewbacca or the Millenium has one.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't know, I just took it straight from my role PM. I'm not the biggest Star Wars nerd ever. I thought maybe the Chewbacca being a pilot thing was from one of the books or something. *shrug*

[xRECKONERx]

@wolf: regardless of flavor, what do you think of the situation?

[ooba]

V\LA for the next 2 days

[wolframnhart]

The situation as a whole has my head hurting. If you are telling the truth, then damn that's one more town PR out in the open, but one scum (SoG) exposed. Again if you are telling the truth then i could see a possible Bussing incident that made bv get a guilty on you that really should have been on the person in the bus with you, but that is hugely up for speculation.

I still don't like bv's claim but that might just be because I am not a fan of BV. Your attitude about this whole thing wreck makes me want to believe you are town and got framed somehow (or that bv is lying after all) and i am not really sure about SoG though obviously it depends on if you are telling the truth or not.

[CryMeARiver]

Holy shit, what the fuck is this nonsense? I take a few days off and bv310 conveniently pops back in with a guilty on me. Jesus H. Christ.

I guess we're being forced to claim since people are blindly believing this with no reason for flavor. I'm not sure what the fuck bv310 is smoking, but I'm certainly not evil.

I'm

Chewbacca

, Alliance Tracker

. Flavor talks about me being a former freighter pilot who was reluctantly convinced to join the rebel alliance, despite my desire to work independently from them, and I reluctantly joined. My ability is called "Homing Beacon", and it allows me to track one person each night.

Last night, I tracked SOG to THC. No bullshit. See my post here where I randomly target SOG after not mentioning him previously after D2 starts. Then here, when we place an FoS on SOG. I wasn't sure if he was a town PR who happened to visit the NK victim or not, and I thought by applying soft pressure he might slip up and reveal some connections, which I could use to town's advantage. But here we go with me being forced to claim.

Vote: SOG

unless he has a mighty convenient claim to explain why he visited THC last night.

@Town: seriously, just fucking trust me on this. I have no fucking clue why bv310 would get a guilty on me unless there's a redirect or some weird flavor shit going on, but let us lynch SOG today and you'll see how fucking right I am.

You gotta claim, SOG?

I cannot find anywhere in this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chewbacca Saying that chewbacca was a former freighter pilot that reluctantly joined the alliance. I see that Chewbacca and Han were smugglers, which i believe is different, and that they helped the rebellion, heck chewbacca even helped out in the clone wars with the jedi (though i realize the clone wars has no bearing on this game). Also see nothing about wanting to work independently, nor do i buy that chewbacca has a "homing beacon" because I see nothing that states the Millenium Falcon (which Chewbacca was crew or co-pilot of) having one. I see here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Homing_beacon that the empire has one, but nothing stating chewbacca or the Millenium has one.

Yeah, I thought this when I first read it too but it didn't stick. What actually happened if my memory serves me correct is that Han saved Chewy so Chewy is forever in debt to him. Chewy didn't reluctantly join the Alliance technically, Han did. Chewy follows Han wherever he goes. Also, Chewy being a tracker makes no sense now that I think about it. But, Wreck might have "got a guilty" on his mafia buddy in order to get town credit? So it's still possible that both Wreck and SoG are scum.
Unvote; Vote: Wreck Star
Wait for Kast to come back to hammer anything please. I am super tired again and don't feel like rereading now. Can someone quote anything I should respond to and I'll do it soon? Thanks

[CryMeARiver]

Holy shit, what the fuck is this nonsense? I take a few days off and bv310 conveniently pops back in with a guilty on me. Jesus H. Christ.

I guess we're being forced to claim since people are blindly believing this with no reason for flavor. I'm not sure what the fuck bv310 is smoking, but I'm certainly not evil.

I'm

Chewbacca

, Alliance Tracker

. Flavor talks about me being a former freighter pilot who was reluctantly convinced to join the rebel alliance, despite my desire to work independently from them, and I reluctantly joined. My ability is called "Homing Beacon", and it allows me to track one person each night.

Last night, I tracked SOG to THC. No bullshit. See my post here where I randomly target SOG after not mentioning him previously after D2 starts. Then here, when we place an FoS on SOG. I wasn't sure if he was a town PR who happened to visit the NK victim or not, and I thought by applying soft pressure he might slip up and reveal some connections, which I could use to town's advantage. But here we go with me being forced to claim.

Vote: SOG

unless he has a mighty convenient claim to explain why he visited THC last night.

@Town: seriously, just fucking trust me on this. I have no fucking clue why bv310 would get a guilty on me unless there's a redirect or some weird flavor shit going on, but let us lynch SOG today and you'll see how fucking right I am.

You gotta claim, SOG?

I cannot find anywhere in this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chewbacca Saying that chewbacca was a former freighter pilot that reluctantly joined the alliance. I see that Chewbacca and Han were smugglers, which i believe is different, and that they helped the rebellion, heck chewbacca even helped out in the clone wars with the jedi (though i realize the clone wars has no bearing on this game). Also see nothing about wanting to work independently, nor do i buy that chewbacca has a "homing beacon" because I see nothing that states the Millenium Falcon (which Chewbacca was crew or co-pilot of) having one. I see here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Homing_beacon that the empire has one, but nothing stating chewbacca or the Millenium has one.

Yeah, I thought this when I first read it too but it didn't stick. What actually happened if my memory serves me correct is that Han saved Chewy so Chewy is forever in debt to him. Chewy didn't reluctantly join the Alliance technically, Han did. Chewy follows Han wherever he goes. Also, Chewy being a tracker makes no sense now that I think about it. But, Wreck might have "got a guilty" on his mafia buddy in order to get town credit? So it's still possible that both Wreck and SoG are scum.
Unvote; Vote: Wreck Star
Wait for Kast to come back to hammer anything please. I am super tired again and don't feel like rereading now. Can someone quote anything I should respond to and I'll do it soon? Thanks

EBWOP:

Unvote; Vote: WReck

[xRECKONERx]

I swear to God if I get killed over stupid fucking mod error in the flavor...

Unvote

until Kast gets back to daykill SOG.

[Slicey]

Frankly I didn't like Semi's comment about not targetting THC. He was too cool of a customer being accused by someone.
I know if someone would accuse me of something I didn't do I would be all like oh hell no you lying sack of scum.
As well as telling everyone to please lynch scum.

This is a very valid point. I'm now definitely thinking two scum groups, one with Wreck Star, and one with SOG. And if Wreck is town, there is very likely a framer, as I don't think bv is lying.