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[Slandaar]

Fish and Skold looked like super buddies. You think that there's a chance of scum team being Jingle and fish? RM looks super scum, but we've been told that he actively plays against win con. Maybe get a replacement for RM before deciding anything?

Uh no need.

Does RM look super scum or does Collatz?

[Slandaar]

So, talk to me about this. Why am I scum?

I thought about making a towncase on myself, but honestly there's no point. You've read the thread. If there's something specific I can talk about why I did I'm more than happy to do so. But my play this game (when I've actually been playing at least) is very clearly from a town mindset.

I like cases.

Make a towncase.

[Jingle]

Make a towncase.

Ok then.

Spoiler: Quotestriping For Fun And Profit Redux

Well, the soccer thing is annoying and one of them is scum.

Clarification, ONE of them is scum. At most. This isn't the kind of scum discussion I'd expect to spill over into the thread. The only possible exception would be BBT/Unlynchable, because they're both mostly reactionary. I still don't think that's likely.

You seem to be under the impression that RVS banta is serious business. I see no reason for town to be this highstrung.
VOTE: Jingle

It's not often I see scum make a preemptive retaliatory jump onto their partner.

I'm scum? Please do go on. I'm not under the impression that no knowledge can be gleaned. But I'm not looking at the voters instead I look towards the silly people like you that slip up when something unnerving hits them.
I really don't get the purists that think that a little bit of banta in RVS is scummy. Can I not have fun? I think that you're just upset because your username is only relevant one month a year .

holy fuck that is one hell of a pedit, jesus you guys latch on: If I am scummy in your eyes, VOTE ME. Not voting based on your conclusions is scummy.
Other than that, not much of relevance has been posted.

Really? This is aimed at a buddy?

Skold is scum because there is more scum motivation than town motivation in his posts. I'll elaborate later.

Really man? Going to start a shitstorm on me and then refuse to participate other than declaring me scum, based on some motivation that you don't comment on. Scum. You bitch about me not commenting, but I don't have much to comment on. I'm not going to go after the people voting for me because they're just applying pressure.

''why are you worried about that at L-4''- see the problem with this is, I'm not worried. I actually am laughing my arse of at this whole situation. In any case, I mentioned it because Unlynchable asked for a page 2-3 lynch on me.

''At least five pages. Go.''
Piss off without authoritative bollocks. You want content? Create content. Don't waste time wiping your ass, saying you'll elaborate later.
I'll be back to this thread every hour or so.
pedit: Yet another drone comes to add firewood to the innocent sacrifice. Any of you guys going to provide reasons? I guess that would reduce the pressure of these votes, since the idea is to get me to believe that it's so obvious that I should know what you are voting me for.

And my buddy obviously is going to focus in on every single thing I say, responding to each and every little bit.

If I am, I'll console myself with that fact that you're being useless.

You can't fault me for pushing the pisskop wagon. Even pisskop didn't try in the slightest to prevent his lynch, and I regret it exactly 0%.

VOTE: Jingle
You're going to need to stop declaring your reads without explaining them. D1 you just declared me scum with little to no explanation. Now you say that the ISO's of the victims point to me being scum. Explain yourself.

He's indignant here. And that doesn't sound to me like something a scumbuddy says straight out of a night phase talking. He's pissed at me for this. For reading him as scum where he doesn't see a reason.

Baaa. OMGUS. Whatever you want to manipulate this to be. He's voted without explaining shit far too many times and I think he's trust trying to confuse the fuck out of us. Besides my current vote is on someone for not explaining shit, and this person is doing it worse. Why go after certain areas of Europe for being socialist if the commies are right next to you just over Alaska. Yayy late night shitty analogies.

Seriously, what do I still need to explain, with the exception of my thoughts on BBT?

Your first vote on me, why the ISO's of the NK are somehow linked to me and BBT, if you still consider me to be scum, and if so why aren't you voting for me, and I also think at this point you should explain why you didn't explain previously. Do you want a graph of minor bullshit you've avoided explaining?

Answers, in quote form (previously spoiled)

EBWOP: My question is, where does the jump from "You look like you think both kills came from the same person" which is untrue lead to the conclusion "You're scum" come from?

VOTE: Jingle
You're going to need to stop declaring your reads without explaining them. D1 you just declared me scum with little to no explanation. Now you say that the ISO's of the victims point to me being scum. Explain yourself.

Sure. The ISO's of the deceased lend suspicion to you. Pony's has suspicion of BBT. As far as my original suspicion, that's fairly simple.

VOTE: scissorhandle
Scissors cut. Cutting causes bleeding. Bleeding kills. Scissor is scum confirmed.

Here he ignores the byplay between the soccer people.

How do you like my new avatar. *trollface*

And here, he joins in, after I expressed my belief that only one of them was scum.

I think that this is likely scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I'm not going to elaborate on Skold being scum right now because I don't want him lynched. If people are gonna sheep me that hard when I don't post any reasoning or a vote, I'm gonna keep my reasoning until twilight. Plus, there's the added point of no one else even pointing out reasons, so there's a chance for bullshit detection where they could just copy me otherwise. Or at least until I decide he's a better lynch than whatever seems to be happening.

As far as scumreading you, yes. Yes I am. But I have too many scumreads and not a good enough handle on the game, so I'm not pushing anything.

Because scum frequently misrep each other, especially in such an obvious way and repeatedly.

@Jingle this is probably the definition of a loaded question, but what do you think of him declaring he claims last.

And does scum-Skold direct this sort of thing at me? He's obviously looking for a reason to vote me here. It's a fucking baited trap, and you believe that comes from one scum player to another? It doesn't. And you should see that.

Spoiler: But Slandaar, massclaim happened. And I was obviously town during it.

If there's one thing you should remember about me, Sland, it's that I'm good at roles, Night action optimization, and claiming. Do you remember when I had a gunsmith guilty on you and let you off the hook? And we won as town? Cause I most certainly do. And my actions here during massclaim are the exact same. I was trying to figure things out. After you softclaimed, I advocated letting you go last. I corroborated your balance claims, and fought to give town the best information possible about the game. Every single action I took as part of the massclaim was from a town mindset, and that should be obvious if you look back at it.

Spoiler: Possible Scumteams

There exist three possibilities where I am scum. A two man scumteam. In which case, if we lynch town and the day starts tomorrow, go right ahead and argue my lynch. I'm scum WITH RM, which is frankly idiotic at this point. And I'm scum and RM is town. RM is not town. I'll put together a reasoning bit again, but just looking at Skold's iso for this was incredibly damning.

As for me being scum with RM: yes, I came into D3 bussing one partner, then decided halfway through the day to sheep a lynch on the other one with no small influence by the fact that I dislike him.

If there's any concerns in specific you want addressed, let me know.

RM is confirmed scum at this point to me due to the lack of quickhammer. And I'm pretty obviously not scum with him. The ball is in your court.

[RationalMadman]

I am town this game.

[RationalMadman]

Everybody should ask Jingles why they have huge grudge against me.

[RationalMadman]

Let's do a deal.

VOTE: formerFish

Let's get the other guy being suspected before you get me and see if he is town or scum. His alignment will then tell you if the people reading me and him as skold's partners are right or not.

[Slandaar]

So, if we do that and Fish is scum, then everyone saying Fish and you are scum is right ergo you are scum?

Doesn't seem very logical to me if you are pretending you are town.

[Jingle]

Everybody should ask Jingles why they have huge grudge against me.

The game where you claimed your scumteam in thread on D2.


At this point though, it doesn't matter.

I've been voting you for like, a whole page. And no one has quick hammered. One of the two of us is scum.


Also, I'm just gonna go ahead and confirm that I'm not scum with TAL.

[Formerfish]

RM is this the part of the game where you start taking shots at random people to see what you can get traction on? I guess I would be a better choice for that than the pseudo confirmed town you tried to run up yesterday.

This is not pro town play from RM. I will place a vote here in 5 hours unless someone objects.

[Slandaar]

I don't think you were a random choice Fishie. Surely from your POV he is trying to lynch you to win IF you are town and he is scum?

[Slandaar]

Jingle is town I forgot to say that.

So we are left with 2 possible scumsies with RM.

Fishie is scum #3 I am pretty sure.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Jingle is town I forgot to say that.

So we are left with 2 possible scumsies with RM.

Fishie is scum #3 I am pretty sure.

How do you know Jingle is town?

[Formerfish]

And what changed your read on me?

[Slandaar]

Jingle is town
TAL IS DEFINITELY TOWN IF RM IS SCUM (which I am assuming)

Leaves you Fish.

If you wish to convince me you are town. I like cases. Make a towncase

[Slandaar]

I disagree with a massclaim. If there is a cop with a positive scum result they should come forward but unless there is some other definitive scum (eg. Lookout sees x go into BBT's house, BBT dies) then nobody comes forward, then I think other town PRs should stay secret. But the biggest reason for me voting for Slaandar is that he wanted to go last. If he was town he'd gain nothing from this, but if he was scum he'd gain the opportunity to claim a town PR that hadn't already been claimed. He also said that he won't be posting because he gotta think. This guy think he some chess master or something?
VOTE: Slaandar

Also lol at Archmage FOSing the dead guy. xD On serious note though, while I dislike what former fish did, Unlynchable had plenty chance to claim and didn't. There is only so much you can fuck with town before you have to be hammered. And Slaandar is much worse. This should be followed up, but it seems to me that Slaandar is the prime lynch suspect.

Also lol at Archmage FOSing the dead guy.

Fuck, he is dead. Well, shit.

I'd be willing to go for a lynch on fish or Sland, Sland's thing with the claims is probably the scummiest thing alive.

You say you should go last because you are a Town PR but we have no way of knowing that. The person who you replaced only posted once so they are a null read and since you have joined I've been getting scummy vibes from your 'I'm going last' thing. Meaning I'm getting a stronger scum read from you than I am town read. So why would I (and the rest off us) let you go last?

I think the odds all 3 scum came after me for my claiming thing with not any town interest at all is very very low.

[Slandaar]

Thinking about it after

Jingle and Skold

have said they thought Slaandar is town I now realise he is probably town too. I took the 'I want to go last' and thought it was scummy when if he was scum he wouldn't say he'd go last as it's too obvious.

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

@Jingle - why do you want to lynch Skold?

I think Collatz doesn't put both his buddies here.

This was also him backing down when he saw TAL backing away (the town interest)

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Thinking about it after

Jingle and Skold

have said they thought Slaandar is town I now realise he is probably town too. I took the 'I want to go last' and thought it was scummy when if he was scum he wouldn't say he'd go last as it's too obvious.

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

@Jingle - why do you want to lynch Skold?

I think Collatz doesn't put both his buddies here.

This was also him backing down when he saw TAL backing away (the town interest)

Right, right. Yeah, that makes sense. I want to be sure, I think I'm gonna ISO Jingle to see if there's anything that prevents him from being scum with fish. If that's the case, I'd feel very confident in the RM lynch.

RM is this the part of the game where you start taking shots at random people to see what you can get traction on? I guess I would be a better choice for that than the pseudo confirmed town you tried to run up yesterday.

This is not pro town play from RM. I will place a vote here in 5 hours unless someone objects.

...You didn't, and I don't think anyone objected. You and hammers just don't seem to get along. You not hammering when you declared some kind of intent seems inconsistent with your earlier behavior, care to comment?

Makes me feel a lot more comfortable with the RM/fish scum team.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Blergh. Not much that prevents fish and Jingle from being scum-buddies, as far as I can tell. Not a risk I feel like taking. Jingle, care to comment on the situation? I want to trust you, because you seem infinitely less scummy than RationalMadman, but RM is screwing with the game. I can't take anything he posts seriously because as far as I know, he rolls dice to figure out what he says.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Okay, found something.

Vote analysis says that Jingle and Fish can't be town together, because then RM would be town and fish would have hammered RM and won the game.

Therefor, the only two scum teams are Jingle and RM or fish and RM. The RM lynch is safe every time.

fish's hesitation in voting and inconsistent behavior regarding intent reinforce my opinions on the scum team. I am even more certain than before that RM and Formerfish are scum.

I will hammer RationalMadman following one post by each player in the game, if no player posts any objections.

Or before the day ends, in case RM does something screwy like never posting for the rest of the day.

[Jingle]

Yeah, I don't care if RM gets hammered, but he's not at l-1 yet. And you RM is still possible, though sland made good points about that.

Confirmed that one of me/RM at minimum is scum. Confirmed that sland is town. Confirmed that we're not buddies. My question is why does RM scum vote his buddy here?

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Oh, he's not? I thought it was you and...

Right. Yeah. I guess nobody else was voting for him. I swear I remember someone voting for him early on.

Looking back, I think I misremembered your early vote-unvote thing as a different vote on him. Um...

Uck. Now I don't know whether or not you're scum with fish again. You and fish have had very border-neutral, wishy-washy opinions of each other all game, which doesn't look good in my eyes. I like RM for scum a lot more than I like you for scum, and I know fish is scum, but the connection between you and fish seems a bit stronger than the one to fish and collatz/RM. Collatz/RM pair is connected through them both being connected through Skold, but you and fish connect straight up. You came out the gate gunning for Skold yesterday, which does look well on you not being scum, but...

Bleeeegh. My paranoia is through the roof. I think that if Jingle's scum, then scum wins the game. I can hardly see myself lynching him over RM. I go for fish every time, though.

[Jingle]

I'm obviously town here tal. Why do you think RM voted fish?

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Reading into RM's plays are useless to analyze, because he's clearly trolling. There's so much WIFOM I don't even want to think about it.

What do

you

think his vote means? You've played with him before, you know his MO?

[Slandaar]

All Quiet on the Fishie Front.

[TellTaleHeart]

• Vote Count 4,1

RationalMadman [1] Jingle
Formerfish [1] RationalMadman

Not Voting [3] Formerfish, Slandaar, The Archmage Ludicrous

Lynch Threshold: 3