Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[Flavor Leaf]

PROCS*

[JaydragonKing]

"Now remember kids, that Jay character is a suspicious individual. Always watch his movements closely, alright?"
"Great job kids, now excuse me while I ride the Flavor train for town credibility unnoticed."

"Just gonna casually self-vote myself. It's TOTALLY beneficial as town i swear!"
"Oh yeah all those people who played with me before? Probably wrong."

"Jay is conf!town because he TOTALLY lead the TGP push without twitching. Ignore he did jackshit for like five days and shitposted continuously."
"DO NOT BLOODY META ME... EVER! I DO NOT HAVE A BLOODY META THAT I ADHERE TO."

"Yeah I got three posts to my name and have barely contributed. Problem?"

Current highlighted players of interest.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count 1.9

Flavor Leaf (6) - Kopherald, Almost50, texcat, JaydragonKing, Mathdino, Flavor Leaf
JaydragonKing (2) - Taly, Aneninen
Almost50 (1) - Lalendra
Kopherald (1) - havingfitz
Sando (1) - Creature
Shadpearl (1) - Sando

Not Voting (4) - JimmyUrineMoneyShot, Shadpearl, Ausuka, profii

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-03-19 22:00:00)

[profii]

@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.

Except you can target the one you're going to kill, then the Tracker will have to out to expose you, then you claim you protected the target from X and they could have still died of Y or Z.

We have 3 ways to kill the target

and the Doctor has to choose to protect from just one.

tl;dr: "I'm dead anyway, so let me live for one more night so that can both perform a kill and out the Tracker w/o the other 2 goons being at risk at all.

Nice try though.

am I reading that wrong or is that a language slip?

[JaydragonKing]

@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.

Except you can target the one you're going to kill, then the Tracker will have to out to expose you, then you claim you protected the target from X and they could have still died of Y or Z.

We have 3 ways to kill the target

and the Doctor has to choose to protect from just one.

tl;dr: "I'm dead anyway, so let me live for one more night so that can both perform a kill and out the Tracker w/o the other 2 goons being at risk at all.

Nice try though.

am I reading that wrong or is that a language slip?

Earth, Fire, and Water. Three ways to kill. Nothing wrong with that.

[profii]

Why is he saying we though

Anyway, I like his point in 665, 3 perfectly valid reasons that FL is scum

Also I am revoking my policy lynch idea on a50 as the tunnel is not there so that’s positive. I hope
Math and a50 get along as the game flows better

I’m inclined to sheep 665

The self vote does nothing for me - I’ve seen town!FL do that - sure - congratulations on self meta. Yawn

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

[Mathdino]

am I reading that wrong or is that a language slip?

that tell was made up a decade ago, it doesn't actually work

we are not lynching A50 today (or probably any day)

why are you not voting

Edit: math/a50 getting along is a death sentence for us
i acknowledge your vote

still wondering why you unvoted in the first place without any new ideas other than "policy lynch A50, one of the more skilled players in the game"

if you want to policy lynch at all this setup, the #1 person is jay, followed by prod dodging lurkers

[Mathdino]

FTR; as soon as this flips scum Jay is automatically clear here. He was the leading vote on TGP and didn't twitch when he got to L-1

Also, ftr (and I'm sorry to say this) Dino doesn't get a free pass. A leeway maybe, but that's it. I'm not sure how to say this, but if Dino is Scum and he gets his way he's going to win anyway. He could have found himself backed to the wall and was forced to bus without pre-arrangements or he could still be the SK. The leeway though is because IF he is Town he can lead the Town to a flawless victory.

@Dino: I sincerely do apologize if you're really Town here. You're just too good to be taken a face value and I'm afraid I won't have the time to sort you as I'm tonight's NK anyway. Good Luck though.

P-edit: Hypothetically speaking; if you were Town you would not have asked to be Tracked to begin with. That is just bad play (for Town). I honestly don't know what I would have said or done if I was in that hypothetical situation, but I certainly would NOT have asked the Tracker to be on me. Maybe do some ISOing and leave us notes on who is scum so we can use your reads after you flip?

- If this flips scum, I think we have more than enough info to gamesolve. I'm more interested in what happens if this flips town.

- Would've been weirder if you did give me a free pass.
Look the only way I win after N1 hardbussing a scumbuddy like this is if town is godawful and speedlynches good players just because I tell them to. The fact that I was scumreading Paradox so hard was specifically why I didn't replace in. Because that (somewhat provably) happened before I knew my alignment, that fact in itself is more skill-indicative than alignment-indicative.

- Not sure what you're apologising for. You scumread my slot because he had terrible reads and 0 charisma (I lost respect for this slot once I saw his push on havingfitz). But your ability to read doom is between you and him.
Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if I got NK'd instead because of doctor WIFOM, but w/e. I'm quickly approaching RC levels of constantly getting NK'd in the open queue.

Just gonna reiterate that if A50 lives through the night, I'm haunting all of your asses if you lynch him here.

[profii]

am I reading that wrong or is that a language slip?

that tell was made up a decade ago, it doesn't actually work

we are not lynching A50 today (or probably any day)

why are you not voting

Edit: math/a50 getting along is a death sentence for us
i acknowledge your vote

still wondering why you unvoted in the first place without any new ideas other than "policy lynch A50, one of the more skilled players in the game"

if you want to policy lynch at all this setup, the #1 person is jay, followed by prod dodging lurkers

everyone wanted to let you and FL in without pressure - I didn’t but came round to it

Seems a bit weird that everyone is straight back on FL thinking about that

[Ausuka]

Actually, I’m going to straight up claim. I’m one of the doctors.

Yay, more softclaims! Just what this game needed

[Ausuka]

A50-Wagon-Scumpool: {Sando, Shadpearl, Lalendra, texcat}

Paradox-Wagon-Scumpool: {Jay, Kopherald, Ausuka, Taly, texcat}

You know, that's an impressively long way of saying not much at all.

[Aneninen]

And about the Doctor bit... I guess it doesn't concern me too much. No one has corrected you.

In this Setup this is pigeon poop.

Oh, PS I guess: Backup doctor, just act as a regular doctor and claim regular doctor, okay? Just trust me on that.

What was the town motivation for this?

I'm just wondering, with no replacements yet for two slots, how do we decide on who a lynch is in 3.5 days?

Aside from that, Shadpearl's posts constantly ping me. I think she's the only active slot I have a full scumread on at this point.

Mod

, can we get extra time?

Shadpearl's recents were terrible indeed.

... Oh fuck. Oh double fuck.

Damnit Almost you summoned Dino here somehow by speaking his name I just know it.

Someone seems to be afraid of Mathdino, I guess.
If Doomfeathers/Mathdino flips town, Jay is scum!

I would assume the reason Boonskiies took this slot after it was open for so long is because he's good at scum. He can correct me if I'm wrong postgame.

What does Boonskiies have to do with this game?

Guys, don’t lynch me. I’m likely one of the doctors.

Actually, I’m going to straight up claim. I’m one of the doctors.

I know it shouldn't be so but this bothers me a lot.

Texcat and Dino are scum. Where should we go first?

Where was that from?

Scum optimal strategy is to claim doctor and I STRONGLY disbelieve that Paradox would replace out of a TPR slot.

Good point.

is anyone here actually capable of gutreading lalendra

She may be town. Her reactions.

@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

What was the town motivation for this?

However, not gonna lie, I would claim elemental doctor as vanilla, however that is not the case here. But just saying, I would.

This is scum.

1- TGP got to L-1 and didn't bother claiming or even hinting it

!!!!!!!!

[Ausuka]

Flavor leaf is Boonskiies, anen.

Tbh I'd probably lynch Shadpearl.

[Aneninen]

Before they call me out as town self voting, I’ve self voted as town 12+ times, I’ve self voted as scum like twice.

Self-voting as town rarely pays off. Definitely not 12+ times.
Your reasoning here is scummy, on the other hand.

still wondering why you unvoted in the first place without any new ideas other than "policy lynch A50, one of the more skilled players in the game"

Hmmm...

Yay, more softclaims! Just what this game needed

There was a hard claim, too. I wasn't buying it, though.

Flavor leaf is Boonskiies, anen.
Tbh I'd probably lynch Shadpearl.

Is he?
That doesn't make him town.

We should remember this post from Ausuka if Flavour Leaf flips scum. By the way, Shadpearl's scum too. And Jay.

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

L–1

[Ausuka]

(this post contained a FL vote but Anen beat me to it so I guess for now I'll wait)

pedit: You asked what Boonskiies had to do with the game.

[Ausuka]

Yay, more softclaims! Just what this game needed

There was a hard claim, too. I wasn't buying it, though.

Every Boon claim is a soft claim.

[Mathdino]

A50-Wagon-Scumpool: {Sando, Shadpearl, Lalendra, texcat}

Paradox-Wagon-Scumpool: {Jay, Kopherald, Ausuka, Taly, texcat}

You know, that's an impressively long way of saying not much at all.

See that I've already ruled out Sando and Shadpearl.

I've been in a VCA mood and I'm basically giving myself bins to work in. I highly doubt the A50 wagon was all town (towns are not usually this bad, to wagon A50 for the reasons given), and I doubt the Paradox wagon was ever all town regardless of Paradox's alignment.

The goal is basically to find enough town in that set of 8 players to narrow down an effective lynchpool for tomorrow. Not pushing any scumreads yet (other than the obvious Paradox), just showing where I'm at. I hate reading/catching up chronologically.

[Mathdino]

We should remember this post from Ausuka if Flavour Leaf flips scum. By the way, Shadpearl's scum too. And Jay.

Someone needs to explain the Shadpearl case outside of "Shad lacks charisma". Cuz I'm definitely not okay with that lynch.

I don't think that post alone is particularly indicative for Ausuka, but I'll do a readthrough over the night.

Jay is scum even when he's town, so you're not wrong.

[texcat]

Yay for replacements!

[texcat]

Now if someone would just find a hammer, we could finally get out of Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unvote

Well, third time that I’m gonna be lynched as town in three years.

This will be the second time directly after replacing in however.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yay, more softclaims! Just what this game needed

There was a hard claim, too. I wasn't buying it, though.

Every Boon claim is a soft claim.

Ausuka’s right. Every Boon claim is a soft claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

So i actually have really good reads typically when I replace in, so i’ll leave the ones that stood out to me the most here for future reference.

Scum:

Almost50
Mathdino
Texcat

I don’t believe that both Math and Dino are scum, however.

Town:
Ausuka
Aneninen
Jaydragon
Profii
Creature

I’m generally strong with my town reads early game.

Just food for thought.

[Flavor Leaf]

I haven’t been in this game too long and didn’t read too much of the game because I thought a lynch was coming soon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, and Lalendra is town. Bet on it