~laundry~ FIN

[drealmerz7]

way to state the obvious

but the wagons are better this way and they only get better if you vote pine first

you not being able to see this makes me comfortable staying on you though

[Andrius]

andrius, be a hero and help me push pine to lynch

if pine is scum, I wouldn't even call what he did in voting his scumbuddies "busing", they are definitely more "oh shit I am going to look fishy if I don't vote them so I gotta" votes

You're not even voting Pine.

Also, no.
I have no desire to lynch Pine. He's #1 town for a number of things but basically the reaction to Zach's YOU GOT ME was the best. Maria should have been auto-cleared as well but since we're in this for the long haul we had to clean house. Like, his whole TEAM STRAHD RULES followed by WE SHOULD HYDRA into PM conversation about hydra-ing pre-Zach's death really makes me think he's town.

[Andrius]

but the wagons are better this way and they only get better if you vote pine firstyou not being able to see this makes me comfortable staying on you though

I don't get what you're trying to say/do here.

[Andrius]

I honestly think nothing will change here.
I've said my piece for DAYS now, and am solid on my reads.
You are as well.
Desp and Pine are voting their way and I don't see them moving.
Menno is as Menno does. Which is little.

I think we're going to be stuck here for awhile until someone has to compromise.
And I won't be compromising on Pine.

[Andrius]

Like, I'd compromise on Desp if I absolutely had to.
You're slightly higher than him when you're not being insufferable because once I get angry at you I want you dead just to get you to stop talking.

[Andrius]

TRUTH HOUR WITH ANDRIUS

[drealmerz7]

you have to come off mcmenno because pine is not going to hammer you ever and if I come off of you first pine just goes to mcmenno and that will tell us nothing if mcmenno is not scum

it is only good for town to maneuver the wagons at this point by you coming off mcmenno first, anything else is dangerous and hurts town if there is a ML (by allowing scum to slip through the cracks of responsibility rather than be put in a position to be held accountable) in my view, and all I can do is play from my view

if pine is the lynch he can't be given a position of strength (non responsibility through default "well I had to vote that wagon because it was the only choice besides my own at that point) until he is at L-1

IF pine were to hammer you before I switched off of you to him with you on him, and you are town, it outs him as scum because of associations

[drealmerz7]

mcmenno wagon has to be non-viable for lynch wagon to be viable, essentially

[drealmerz7]

andrius, is desperado is scum, why isn't he voting you?

[drealmerz7]

again, more reasons why I am comfortable with an andrius lynch, compiled to the entirety rest of the game of course

[drealmerz7]

desperado and mcmenno make the LEAST amount of sense as lynches at this point

I make more fucking sense than they do, and that you're not voting me makes me think you know I'm going to flip green and you can't be put in the position of being held accountable for that once you're still alive tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

if you're scum you need mcmenno lynched because you know you can't NK him and still win tomorrow and you can't have him alive tomorrow with the possible ppl who will be alive because you'd get lynched no question

ARRAGHGHHH

[drealmerz7]

pine, be a hero and vote andrius

[Andrius]

Sorry, my computer crashed.
Give me a second to catch up.

[Andrius]

you have to come off mcmenno because pine is not going to hammer you ever and if I come off of you first pine just goes to mcmenno and that will tell us nothing if mcmenno is not scum

I'm going to address this in parts because I don't get what you're getting at.
Part 1: Pine won't hammer me ever.
A: Not today, no. Not unless we're at deadline and I think he'd definitely vote Menno over me.

Part 2: I come off of you first pine just goes to mcmenno and that will tell us nothing if mcmenno is not scum
A: You're saying that Pine's just going to hammer whatever wagon's highest? He's not doing that now?
You're saying if you unvote me then he's forced to just vote menno? Pine's been very clear that he thinks menno is town for some, frankly, bollocks reason.

it is only good for town to maneuver the wagons at this point by you coming off mcmenno first, anything else is dangerous and hurts town if there is a ML (by allowing scum to slip through the cracks of responsibility rather than be put in a position to be held accountable) in my view, and all I can do is play from my view

Part 3
I don't get what you mean by maneuvering wagons.
Why does it matter that I come off Menno first?
If this is all about responsibility, what do you think about Menno signing Maria's hammer but not voting her?
Then I basically said 'why don't you do it', so he did it?
I don't get why he was ok letting someone hammer but not doing it himself. Other than avoiding responsibility.
I didn't vote her because I don't want to be part of the party that kills her.
Because, you know, bias.

Can you explain this whole wagon maneuvering thing as if I am a drunk five year old?
Because I don't get your stance here and why its so important.

if pine is the lynch he can't be given a position of strength (non responsibility through default "well I had to vote that wagon because it was the only choice besides my own at that point) until he is at L-1

Pine's not going to be the lynch.
zzz

IF pine were to hammer you before I switched off of you to him with you on him, and you are town, it outs him as scum because of associations

But he hasn't.
So unless you're expecting him to do so this is pointless.

mcmenno wagon has to be non-viable for lynch wagon to be viable, essentially

I don't get it.
We have 5 voters.
The three of you can surely lynch not [Me, Desp] without any help.

andrius, is desperado is scum, why isn't he voting you?

This is all idle speculation, but:
Because I townread him?
Because hypothetical scumdesperado might see menno as an easier lynch today.

Whoever is ACTUALLY scum knows that Pine and I won't vote each other today (maybe ever!!!) and so the only way to get this to happen is to force a endgame with both [Pine, I] alive, which is still a gamble since we could RALLY THE TROOPS and lynch whoever it is that isn't us.

again, more reasons why I am comfortable with an andrius lynch, compiled to the entirety rest of the game of course

if you're scum you need mcmenno lynched because you know you can't NK him and still win tomorrow and you can't have him alive tomorrow with the possible ppl who will be alive because you'd get lynched no question

ARRAGHGHHH

I do not follow this at all.
Everyone can be NK'd, including likely-bullshitting Pine.

[Andrius]

I mean, Pine wants to lynch you.
In what world do you see me, as scum, removing you from the lynch options after some work/reading being a good tactic?
Because I'm pretty sure [Pine, Me, Desp] could swing your lynch if Menno doesn't happen.

[Andrius]

I honestly think this day will end when the Voting Bloc [Pine, Desp, myself] finally agrees on someone.
Because Menno isn't here and Desp and I both think Menno's scum and Pine thinks Menno's town and dreal's scum so the options for 3 people voting a 4th who aren't the three voters is narrow.

[Andrius]

There definitely need to be commas in there or something.

[Andrius]

I honestly think this day will end when the Voting Bloc [Pine, Desp, myself] finally agrees on someone.
Because Menno isn't here; Desp and I both think Menno's scum; Pine thinks Menno's town and dreal's scum; so the options for 3 people voting a 4th who aren't the three voters is narrow.

Fixed with punctuation.!

[drealmerz7]

it's about who is alive tomorrow and who wants who alive tomorrow IF they're scum

[Andrius]

What's that in response to?

[drealmerz7]

you not getting what I'm getting at

[Andrius]

No, and I'm asking you to explain it so I can.

[drealmerz7]

I did!

[drealmerz7]

fucking hell I really think there could be 2 scum still