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[Firebringer]

RC says that fire ringer was responsible for Kuribo and davesaz push


I kind of want to disagree with Kuribo here RC. I asked for ur opinion and I said it was fine but u also weren’t very involved here.
So :shrug:, Dave was me

[Firebringer]

RC is rebutting me saying he didn’t give any assurance and merely told me to do what I wanted
He never gave his blessing

[Firebringer]

Man I feel like I am being thrown under a buss here

[Ankamius]

Lolll

[Ankamius]

Get fucked fire

[Gammagooey]

My post was not pointing at anyone specific.
I don't remember seeing any overt support on trying to play it quiet.

How many shots do we have at getting this right?
I'm down for any of DEB, FB, Panth.

You're wondering about what I was thinking yesterday, I saw FB's vote on me as a naked chainsaw.

so then why vote him over the scum more likely to be lynched?

and I did specifically mention that keeping the night 3 failed action was fine with me after thinking about it, but you didn't really answer the question I asked - what were you hoping for as a result of saying 'hypothetically what if I used the watcher shot', especially when your previous stance was "I'm absolutely not going to reveal anything"?

I could have anywhere between 1 and 3 actions left, and I'm absolutely not going to reveal anything.

I don't particularly care about the failed/missed action on night 3 after thinking about it so if you want to keep that a secret you're welcome to imo

I also think it's pretty reasonable for scum to no-kill last night assuming you're town, but I would personally your action last night to be outed so we have a better idea of your thought process and what you thought scum were likely to do last night so that people can get a better read on your alignment. If you want to fight about it being the right play then fight about it and I can maybe be convinced but considering that you contributed basically nothing in terms of reads yesterday I feel like it's fair.

However, you ABSOLUTELY need to give reads and actually try to get scum lynched today. Dayplay is more important than nightplay in general, today as the first day with a flipped scum especially, and if you try to be cheeky with 'oh well not playing the game will optimize my night action' again I will 100% try to get you lynched for it.

[davesaz]

what were you hoping for

A more specific plan.

[Gammagooey]

just so ya'll know where my head's at

I'm most suspicious of dave atm, but I'm not going to vote him or do a case on anyone until everyone gets into the thread at least once. I'll also prob re-read a bit but that might not happen until Wednesday night or so.

Like I said before, I think what happens today will likely decide the game, so if you have any read you'd be willing to stake the game on, get in here and fight for it and do your best to convince other people of why. My personal 'I will bet the game on this' read is Ank-town, and I'll go into that a little bit Wednesday or whenever I get into re-reading.

[Almost50]

First and foremost, I did a reread of D1 during the night, and I'm afraid it messed up some of my reads.

I also want to say skitter maybe able to help me out some (now that her own game is over) so that would be swell.

I am inviting you all to first ISO Maria vs GIF on D1 and tell me what you think. I have had FB as possible scum until I did that, but now I think there was too much subtle shading from Maria directed at GIF I don't think they are on the same side. I need confirmation to this from anyone who is willing to do that dual ISOing.

I will hold off giving further reads until I hear back from you & skitter.

[davesaz]

VOTE: gammagoey

FL argument saying conftown makes this deepwolf until I’m convinced otherwise.

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: gammagoey

FL argument saying conftown makes this deepwolf until I’m convinced otherwise.

obv we have a lot of time until deadline so don't feel obliged to do it tonight

but if you're town it's probably a lot more helpful to actually iso me instead of asking other people to convince you that I'm not scum and use what's in it to either convince people that I'm scum or reconsider your read based on what you find in it

I've got the shortest iso of living players who aren't panth & DEB and I think my content/noise ratio is better than 95% of mafiascum so I don't feel like it's incredibly difficult to do.

[Almost50]

@gooey: Would it still be anti-town to reveal your hood's LMS now?

[Gammagooey]

@gooey: Would it still be anti-town to reveal your hood's LMS now?

It's probably fine? It's lategame enough that I don't expect it to do anything, the only exception might be if we lynch DEB literally today

if you and ank want to know what it is I'm fine sharing it

[Almost50]

I can't speak for Ank, but I certainly do.

[Gammagooey]

I'm probably going to wait for ank to come by and say she wants it too then if ya don't mind (or I guess late tomorrow if she's busy and doesn't come by before then)

[Almost50]

skitter quick feedback (not gonna bother discussing it in my hood first)

1- HI @Ank @EC

2- Ank Town because of FL slip (wanting Maria on her). I had concluded Ank was Town for other various different reasons, but it's always good to be reassured once more.

3- panth is Town bc Vex was Town. As Scum vex wouldn't bother with his handwritten notes.

I'll have other reads updated as soon as we've discussed more (myself and skitter + Amrun.. hopefully)

[panthaleon]

I'm kinda vibing with Dave scum tbh. This is weird af behavior, and I'm still not really over Maria suggesting Dave's group get roleblocked from the beginning

[Almost50]

skitter quick feedback (not gonna bother discussing it in my hood first)

1- HI @Ank @EC

2- Ank Town because of FL slip (wanting Maria on her). I had concluded Ank was Town for other various different reasons, but it's always good to be reassured once more.

3- panth is Town bc Vex was Town. As Scum vex wouldn't bother with his handwritten notes.

I'll have other reads updated as soon as we've discussed more (myself and skitter + Amrun.. hopefully)

More reads:

4- Upon a read I personally concluded GIF (now FB) must be town. Maria in particular had some weird subtle shading going his way. Now Amrun has confirmed that read and cited 1020 for an example.

5- I had gooey as Town based on D5/D6 (current) posts. However, D1 was suspicious to me, and it rang some bells. skitter found the following though:

Dunn thinks your reasoning for townreading gamma is dumb Ank.
pedit: Me and pant are a hood yes

Which makes gooey Town again.

6- Both myself & skitter agree kuribo is Town here. Her read is a bot weaker than mine (she says "very likely", I say "almost confirmed").

7- dave is like a wold card. I TR him, but I am having trouble parsing his overly cautious/close to chest play in this game. I know he usually doesn't like to show his hand early, but this is a bit taking it over the top here. skitter can't read him.

8- That leaves us with DEB still. I thought D1 game me a very (VERY) weak TR on him upon a reread, but it certainly wasn't enough to even call him a Town lean. skitter agrees with RC that FL/DEB on D5 was fake.

I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE LMS OF THAT HOOD IS (if it's been posted already, then I'll find out in a bit).

Conclusion: We probably want to lynch DEB today, but I'd be wary of the distinct possibility gooey's the deepwolf (those old guard methodists confuse the hell out of me, and Amrun has forgot how to read him with precision, but both her and skitter are leaning Town on him, so I'll take it)

dave is a wild card 9as I said) so I'm hoping DEB's lynch will end the game so i won't have to pull what's left of my hair out trying to guess what exactly he's up to.

Now let me go see what -little- more you have posted since I was here last

[Almost50]

Hmm... obviously there us NOTHING NEW. (and I am blind)

[Almost50]

So, if you want that in a ranked format for ease:

Off the table for good: Ank/kuribo/FB

Not today: panth/gooey/dave

Todays' lynch: DEB (bit not before the LMS is outed)

[Dr Easy Bake]

Our LMS is a 2-Shot Bulletproof.

[Dr Easy Bake]

I think it’s weird that gamma has been salty with my inactivity in our pt the whole game, then once I’m actually energized because we lynched FL as scum which is honestly like the sweetest feeling, he ignores me smdh. Then in response to me calling him out on it he throws a bit of shade.

[Dr Easy Bake]

How much of your stance on me is still colored by your past grudge against me A50?

[Almost50]

Our LMS is a 2-Shot Bulletproof.

Scum confirmed in DEB/gooey 100%. BP = negating the Vig. I do realize it also negates the scum NK, but it would be absolutely harsh for scum to NOT KNOW that.

Like, imagine that we lynched 2 townies from that hood early and the third was also town. FL knows where the Doc is and can shoot elsewhere, but that would leave them with a BP AND a Commuted slot (Commuters ability) that they may try to shoot (because they don't know) and the NK would fail.

Even now (Commuters & Doctors are no more) it's still be too damn harsh on Scum to have their NK blocked when least expected.

That is probably why FL/Maria didn't want to bus DEB (if he is the scum in there) because then it would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to kill gooey. That's also why FL tried to confirm gooey, because him not dying after FL's flip makes him sus AF and thus lynchable because that's the only way he can go.

If there are holes in my thought process I'd like mthem pointed out to me ASAP so that I can reevaluate here.

[Gammagooey]

Our LMS is a 2-Shot Bulletproof.

Yep

It's not exactly useful when it's outed and it made sense as an ability the survivor would actually want

I think it’s weird that gamma has been salty with my inactivity in our pt the whole game, then once I’m actually energized because we lynched FL as scum which is honestly like the sweetest feeling, he ignores me smdh. Then in response to me calling him out on it he throws a bit of shade.

I don't give a shit about your private topic inactivity, I want you to post in the actual real thread that we're posting in now so EVERYONE can read you (like say with your reads and the Titus VCA you said she wanted to talk about after a scum flip happened)