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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:17 am

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In post 722, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why are you scum reading Hiraki again? I don't think not explaining reads makes him scum.
It's his dodginess and constant misrepresentation that irks me. Also, what Toto said, although I can think of one instance, is if you were cop and you got a guilty one night. However, there's no Cop in this game and it's day one.

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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:17 am

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In post 723, Toto wrote:Why wouldnt he want to explain reads as town though?
Makes scum job easier. Giving reads list and explaining town reads helps scum figure out who to night kill.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:18 am

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Thats bs neb is never getting NK this game.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:20 am

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I'm not asking for a readlist either. I'm asking for him to explain why he is town reading Nebula so hard, you know, the counter wagon!
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:27 am

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How do you know he won't?

I just reread Hiraki's ISO and while his reasoning for town reading Neb is poor, it's there. I think you two should try to explain to Hiraki why you find a majority of nebula's posting bad as opposed to good.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:30 am

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Ok, I'm going to assume "making good arguments" is the only reason he is townreading Nebula. Hikari, if you are town and this is wrong please enlighten me.

VOTE: Nebula
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:31 am

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Actually, at this point I want Hikari dead no matter how Nebula flips. VOTE: Hikari
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:33 am

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In post 729, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How do you know he won't?
Because if he is town he is an easy mislynch. If he is scum he won't die.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:33 am

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In post 730, Toto wrote:Ok, I'm going to assume "making good arguments" is the only reason he is townreading Nebula. Hikari, if you are town and this is wrong please enlighten me.

VOTE: Nebula
That's basically the MS version of "i like you because you good". No actual substance, just purported substance.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:53 am

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In post 723, Toto wrote:Why wouldnt he want to explain reads as town though?
Why would scum not want to do normal town things like explaining reads I don't see why scum would draw attention to themselves like that
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:33 am

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In post 734, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 723, Toto wrote:Why wouldnt he want to explain reads as town though?
Why would scum not want to do normal town things like explaining reads I don't see why scum would draw attention to themselves like that
Good point, but to what benefit as town?
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:34 am

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@MOD: nydushermain hasn't posted in over 48 hours, and nebula + lowell will fall over that 48 hour mark pretty soon.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:35 am

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In post 1, Creature wrote:Weekends only count as 24 hours for the purpose of prods.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:37 am

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In post 737, Creature wrote:
In post 1, Creature wrote:Weekends only count as 24 hours for the purpose of prods.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:48 am

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In post 734, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 723, Toto wrote:Why wouldnt he want to explain reads as town though?
Why would scum not want to do normal town things like explaining reads I don't see why scum would draw attention to themselves like that
The attitude feels forced to me. He is a logical player, and he is being illogical.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:51 am

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In post 739, Toto wrote:
In post 734, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 723, Toto wrote:Why wouldnt he want to explain reads as town though?
Why would scum not want to do normal town things like explaining reads I don't see why scum would draw attention to themselves like that
The attitude feels forced to me. He is a logical player, and he is being illogical.
I mean, most people who are logical are prone to being illogical from time to time, such as myself, but what I'm seeing more from him is dodgy and intentionally misleading behavior, or in some cases logic that seems to come from batshit nowhere, mainly in his first two big posts.

He has something to hide, definitely.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:34 am

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In post 734, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 723, Toto wrote:Why wouldnt he want to explain reads as town though?
Why would scum not want to do normal town things like explaining reads I don't see why scum would draw attention to themselves like that
That said there are many reasons why Scum hikari could behave like he is doing.

By refusing to explain his reads now he can accomodate the explanations to his needs later.

Nebula could be town and he was white knighting and when forced to explain his read he decided to sheep nebula in the "I dont want to interact with you" attitude instead to pocket him and the people town reading him.

Nebula could be scum and he doesnt want to get further into his reads because he may need to retract them later.

I think hikari is scum that decided to fake an uncooperative attitude instead of explainig his BS reads and got caught in his own show and cant find a way to naturaly get out of it.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:55 am

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I honestly think you're wrong but you believe you're right and that's scary. I have a lot more to re read ( I did catch up but a lot of it was me just glazing the thread) so I'll take another look at him but I do think you're wring
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:56 am

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In post 742, Elena Fisher wrote:I honestly think you're wrong but you believe you're right and that's scary. I have a lot more to re read ( I did catch up but a lot of it was me just glazing the thread) so I'll take another look at him but I do think you're wring
Why is he wrong, and why are his beliefs scary?
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:45 am

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Someone who is doing wrong but believes there in the right is without a doubt one of the most scary things
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:47 am

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hmmm....

How do you know I'm wrong?

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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:53 am

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In post 744, Elena Fisher wrote:Someone who is doing wrong but believes there in the right is without a doubt one of the most scary things
This isn't actually answering the question.

What is it with people and dodging questions
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:05 pm

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In post 745, Toto wrote:hmmm....

How do you know I'm wrong?

VOTE: elena
Because your scumread is wrong simple.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:06 pm

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In post 746, Sesq wrote:
In post 744, Elena Fisher wrote:Someone who is doing wrong but believes there in the right is without a doubt one of the most scary things
This isn't actually answering the question.

What is it with people and dodging questions
That was answering part of your question just because you don't get an answer you're happy with doesn't mean it's a dodge. I think he's wrong on the scumread because I think there town use common sense it's not a hard thing to fill in the blanks
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:10 pm

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In post 748, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 746, Sesq wrote:
In post 744, Elena Fisher wrote:Someone who is doing wrong but believes there in the right is without a doubt one of the most scary things
This isn't actually answering the question.

What is it with people and dodging questions
That was answering part of your question just because you don't get an answer you're happy with doesn't mean it's a dodge. I think he's wrong on the scumread because I think there town use common sense it's not a hard thing to fill in the blanks
Actually no, you didn't answer my question (unless there was confusion over what you were answering which seems unlikely, if so feel free to correct.) I asked this: "Why is he wrong, and why are his beliefs scary?" and you answered with "Someone who is doing wrong but believes there in the right is without a doubt one of the most scary things". This doesn't answer why he is wrong about his scumread of Hiraki, but it does kind of answer the latter, but not really, as your fear is over him thinking what you believe to be incorrect things, not over what those thoughts are, which is... confusing.

"Town use common sense" is not an argument. If it was truly self-evident we would be able to see it. Why is Toto wrong on his scumread of Hiraki?

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