Open 692 - Two-fold Matrix6 (Game Over)

[Something_Smart]

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The first sentence ("That is one good night.") Is super awkward, and it's similar to the congratulating-the-doctor tell.

My lynchpool for today is <WhyMafia, Not_Mafia, Kantrip, oldwino, MAYBE Kasumeat>.

[Realeo]

not much time now but is realeo avoiding me on purpose on his read list?
also ive been gone 23 hours and 4 people didnt post in that time

I simply forgot. Sorry. I felt comfortable with you.

[oldwino]

I have no idea why realeo has redacted and then hidden his thoughts about me. And no idea why vedith unvoted me after being so intent on killing me yesterday and immediately voting me when the day began. Maybe I'm not such a bright player after all. I've skimmed but not had time to think, just time to be puzzled by these two situation. Will put time into the game tomorrow. Hopefully a bright light will go on.

[Realeo]

I have no idea why realeo has redacted and then hidden his thoughts about me. Maybe I'm not such a bright player after all.

You're not at fault. I'm good with secrets.

[Kasumeat]

Raya was my strongest TR so I definitely need to re-evaluate this game. Her flip also makes me feel a little worse about Wino. Her post which acknowledges the case on him but ultimately ends with her "TRing" him is very typical of how I respond to my scumbros being cased when I'm scum.

[Realeo]

I'm willing to release my reasoning to redact my read at oldwino if wino is wagoned and I have to take a position, but it would be unoptimal.

Just telling you what is on the table.

[Vedith]

Realeo...

[oldwino]

Raya was my strongest TR so I definitely need to re-evaluate this game. Her flip also makes me feel a little worse about Wino. Her post which acknowledges the case on him but ultimately ends with her "TRing" him is very typical of how I respond to my scumbros being cased when I'm scum.

She wasn't my strongest TR, but close. She and I tended to agree on our reads and she TR'd me, which I know makes me look suspicious. However, she usually posted something agreeing with me after I posted it. Yep, that would fit if we were scum partners, but not very smart IMO because if one of us flipped scum that could point to the other. I was beginning to wonder if she was trying to pocket me, which was working. I have to re-evaluate my reads because of her flip. I scum read Dave too, and his town flip had already thrown my reads into the wind. Her scum flip added added another reason for me to reevaluate.

It's hard to separate my reads from my like/dislike of playstyle.

[oldwino]

Also I've started to realize the full weirdness of the setup I've created after playing it from the town side.

This screams 'scum' to me and I was just starting to move you from scum to null. WHY did you say this? Don't you think it screams scum?

And BTW, I like the set-up. In other matrix games I have played, town PR's have felt compelled to claim early and I think that ruins the game, despite some theories that early claiming helps town. Even if early claiming helps town, which I doubt, it takes away some of the fun. Thanks for the set-up.

[oldwino]

What ever you do, do not role claim.

I don't think scum would say this. I think scum would just keep quiet and hope some town PR role claims early, or reveals what they saw or did on N1.

[Something_Smart]

Also I've started to realize the full weirdness of the setup I've created after playing it from the town side.

This screams 'scum' to me and I was just starting to move you from scum to null. WHY did you say this? Don't you think it screams scum?

And BTW, I like the set-up. In other matrix games I have played, town PR's have felt compelled to claim early and I think that ruins the game, despite some theories that early claiming helps town. Even if early claiming helps town, which I doubt, it takes away some of the fun. Thanks for the set-up.

I said it because it's true. In the first run of the setup, I was scum, and I didn't think about much regarding role interactions. Now I am. Thus, I said it. (And your question is a weird one: if I did think something I was going to say "screamed scum", why would I say it as either alignment?)

And you're welcome; I think it's a neat idea for a setup that's not super serious.

Also VOTE: Not_Mafia

[oldwino]

Also I've started to realize the full weirdness of the setup I've created after playing it from the town side.

This screams 'scum' to me and I was just starting to move you from scum to null. WHY did you say this? Don't you think it screams scum?

And BTW, I like the set-up. In other matrix games I have played, town PR's have felt compelled to claim early and I think that ruins the game, despite some theories that early claiming helps town. Even if early claiming helps town, which I doubt, it takes away some of the fun. Thanks for the set-up.

I said it because it's true. In the first run of the setup, I was scum, and I didn't think about much regarding role interactions. Now I am. Thus, I said it. (And your question is a weird one: if I did think something I was going to say "screamed scum", why would I say it as either alignment?)

And you're welcome; I think it's a neat idea for a setup that's not super serious.

Also VOTE: Not_Mafia

I asked because it seemed weird for you to say something so obvious that said "Hey, I'm town." Even if you are town, which is where I am starting to lean on you, doesn't saying it seem like too much of a town claim? Of course we're all going to say we are town.

What's your reason for voting 'Not Mafia?" Lack of play?

I'm still very sus of Aristo and his avoiding the lynch yesterday, but I'm willing to vote NM to get him participating (in a meaningful way).
VOTE: Not Mafia

[Vedith]

That won't convince NM to play.
If your only reason for voting NM is that, then you might as well do something more productive and vote else where.

Otherwise, if you think he is scum, why?

[Something_Smart]

I thought Rory was scum, and Not_Mafia hasn't done anything to change my mind.

[Something_Smart]

I asked because it seemed weird for you to say something so obvious that said "Hey, I'm town." Even if you are town, which is where I am starting to lean on you, doesn't saying it seem like too much of a town claim? Of course we're all going to say we are town.

And the point of that wasn't to say I'm town (and as you pointed out, saying you're town is NAI because every alignment does it). I was mentioning an observation that was relevant to my experience of the game and therefore might be relevant in helping others understand my thought process.

But by the way, I'm town.

[oldwino]

I asked because it seemed weird for you to say something so obvious that said "Hey, I'm town." Even if you are town, which is where I am starting to lean on you, doesn't saying it seem like too much of a town claim? Of course we're all going to say we are town.

And the point of that wasn't to say I'm town (and as you pointed out, saying you're town is NAI because every alignment does it). I was mentioning an observation that was relevant to my experience of the game and therefore might be relevant in helping others understand my thought process.

But by the way, I'm town.

Fair point, since I commented on the game set-up.

[oldwino]

That won't convince NM to play.
If your only reason for voting NM is that, then you might as well do something more productive and vote else where.

Otherwise, if you think he is scum, why?

I think lack of play = keeping one's head down (hiding) and that is scummy to me. It's certainly not pro-town. Why replace-in if you're not going to play? Of course, Dave fit the same profile and was town.
But Dave did start to respond after some votes and I am hoping NM will do the same. Otherwise, he should replace out.

I really leaned scum on Lane because I thought his posts didn't really contribute. He said a lot while saying nothing.
I think you (Vedith) post a lot too, but short posts without much content. Your sus of me on D1, your joking about vigging me, etc. etc. then your vote on my immediately on D2 without stating any reasons has me sus of you. Your unvoting me, without explanation, puzzles me.
Please explain why you suspected me in the first place and why you seem to not suspect me now (why else would you have unvoted me?).

[BTD6_maker]

Day 2 VC 2

Not_Mafia: Something_Smart, oldwino

Not Voting: WhyMafia, Not_Mafia, Aristophanes, Kasumeat, Crush, Judge Joseph Dredd, Kantrip, Realeo, Vedith

Prodding Not_Mafia.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-07-23 12:30:00)

With 11 players, it's 6 to lynch!

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Don't trust my meta then?

[oldwino]

VOTE: Aristophanes

I still lean scum on Aristo too, but we couldn't get the wagon close enough to a lynch yesterday so I'd rather go after other scum today.

Why do you think he's scum? Reasons, not just a wagon to divert us from you.
Speak up, I can't hear you.

[Vedith]

I think you (Vedith) post a lot too, but short posts without much content. Your sus of me on D1, your joking about vigging me, etc. etc. then your vote on my immediately on D2 without stating any reasons has me sus of you. Your unvoting me, without explanation, puzzles me.

I don't care about reads on me.
I just wanted to know if you think NM is scummy. You say he is... But for the wrong reason.
NM does fuck all as any align. But I like that you're seeing it as scum considering you probably don't know it.

[Crush]

Werewolf found.

VOTE: Crush

Oh wait. Brain fartz.

UNVOTE:

You got me kinda curious though.

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The first sentence ("That is one good night.") Is super awkward, and it's similar to the congratulating-the-doctor tell.

Kinda agree, don't know a good English word to describe how I feel about that remark. Fake is probably the closest

What ever you do, do not role claim.

I don't think scum would say this. I think scum would just keep quiet and hope some town PR role claims early, or reveals what they saw or did on N1.

Meh, I don't think PR would ever out here.

VOTE: Aristophanes

I still lean scum on Aristo too, but we couldn't get the wagon close enough to a lynch yesterday so I'd rather go after other scum today.

Why do you think he's scum? Reasons, not just a wagon to divert us from you.
Speak up, I can't hear you.

Interested in Not_mafia's reasoning. But also do you think scum Aristo would claim VT there? It felt like he gave up way too easily to me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

regarding not_mafia: this guy is playing in a way i never saw before. no content at all + very few posts + naked voting. its almost as if he wants to be lynched or vigged except we dont have a town vig in this setup. its going to be impossible for me to get a read there. the playstyle itself is scummy as fuck but i dont think scum would be so obvious and intimidating in their play. ill sheep someone who lmows him better if applicable. if not then i will vote there if no better option is presented

[Aristophanes]

I'm too from. Will see what o can do thi