Micro 764: Marked For Death #2 - Game Over

[Toto]

Gamma Emerald

(lynch): JaydragonKing, Not_Mafia, Schism

Not Voting

(2): Gamma Emerald, northsidegal

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[Toto]

Gamma Emerald, the vanilla townie died tragically.

Northsidegal comitted suicide by 50x stabs in the back and threw herself in the river.

JaydragonKing was endgamed.

Not_Mafia and Schism won the game!

[Not_Mafia]

Oh I was the scum I forgot, Silly me

[Schism]

Voting outside a cross is autoloss for town.

Town imploded; idk how NM lived past D2.

[Schism]

Jay, join NSG’s mini normal plz <3

[JaydragonKing]

Sigh....

Atleast I lived in the end somehow. That is legit the only thing I have going for me on the site.

Three completed games under my belt and they all have went to Scum. I'm sensing a pattern.

--- Post Edit ---

Want another easy victory,eh? I can join it, but expect me to die day/night 1 that time.

[Toto]

Congrats to scum team!

Ill post pts and thoughts later.

[Mathdino]

You live more often because you're a LyLo liability.

People know you do what you do as both alignments, so they're scared to lynch you.

As your towngame improves, you'll notice your survival rate go down and your scumgame suffer a massive hit, as people start to expect good townish content from you.

[JaydragonKing]

I can fully say that I am held accountable for quite a bit of the loss here, though considering how flaky Shawn was and how Math went out making me think me and Schism were on the same team after all, I wasn't the only one.

--- Post Edit ---

And the man himself arrives.

[Mathdino]

See this thread in Mafia Discussion.

Points to whoever else suggested that N_M and chesskid were both scum.

I'm flabbergasted that literally no one thought to lynch the people that the confirmed townie wanted to lynch.

You also lynched Shawn without my vote while I wasn't even online, so that was cool

[Mathdino]

Honestly, it probably is Shawn and Gamma's fault more than it is yours. If you did ANYTHING, it was making yourself incredibly obvious town. Voting outside of that crossvote was a massive forum mafia no-no but now you know.

Shawn's activity level was unacceptable and is lowkey blacklist worthy. We couldn't do anything BUT lynch him.

Gamma was just a non-presence in the game. I thought he was the most obvtown, even more than NSG, but whatever. I voted him when I was in IC mode to pressure him and see how the day would progress.

Not_Mafia should've been policy lynched. I can't blame him for his actions as

they all benefited scum

. But I can blame him for the fact that his meta is so shaky that he was indistinguishable from his towngame.

[JaydragonKing]

fml

i have no reads

good luck bitches

[Schism]

You live more often because you're a LyLo liability.

People know you do what you do as both alignments, so they're scared to lynch you.

As your towngame improves, you'll notice your survival rate go down and your scumgame suffer a massive hit, as people start to expect good townish content from you.

This. Living is not a good quality for town players.

Its not hard to figure out why Math and NSG were Marked.

Dino D2 was shit

[Mathdino]

If you knew that Not_Mafia was gonna hammer, you shouldn't have voted Shawn. I think he's completely siteflaked at this point. We could've had him replaced, and if you asked me at the time, I'd have said to put the brakes and lynch Not_Mafia as Schism promised me.

When Schism never even brought that up again D2 or D3, that should've confirmed him as scum.

PEdit: Gave up. Not sure what to say. If a town is willing to speedlynch a lurker without the help of their IC, clearly the gamestate has gone down the drain.

[Mathdino]

This. Living is not a good quality for town players.

Its not hard to figure out why Math and NSG were Marked.

Dino D2 was shit

Bro I play a good IC game when the town is actually present and cohesive.

I suspected you through the entirety of the day. You were my endgame lynch. I wanted to fan the wagons without actually getting anyone lynched (hoping that town would just autolynch any quickhammers) so we'd have stuff to analyse later. I play IC as a long con.

I did not expect that lynch to happen without me. I thought it would just be agreed that I would have some kind of hand in deciding when the day was over.

[Mathdino]

Tbh the other reason I chose to explicitly not give reads at the end is I was afraid of seriously affecting the NK through WIFOM shenanigans.

[JaydragonKing]

If you suspected Schism, then why the hell did you not help me with my suspicions of him day 2? Why not give that important piece of information when you got lynched so that even though they could try and plan around it, Town might still have had a chance?

[northsidegal]

well, good game all. not entirely sure what i should've done differently. i suppose this has been a lesson in reading nm's playstyle better.

[Mathdino]

Like the last thing I said was telling everyone that there's probably scum in {Schism, Jay, Shawn} based on activity. No one reacted or cared. I'm really not sure given the playerlist that my thoughts would've massively mattered.

I didn't help you because your whole case against him was OMGUS. It wasn't any good. Him being scum had nothing to do with him going after you, and honestly I'm guessing town-Schism would've done the same thing. Was all NAI.

Point is, I would've helped had you not speedlynched. My IC game is as follows:

1. Pretend not to be the IC (if possible)
2. Lurk, ask questions, fan the flames and see what town does.
3. Barrel back into the thread with solid/supported reads on everyone and strongarm everyone into doing what I want.

You lynched him while I was in the middle of step 2. See my Stack The Deck game for how I played IC before.

[Mathdino]

I mean the common consensus seems to be that N_M is more anti-town when he's town, and as scum, he's actually helpful.

This game obviously supports the "everything N_M does is unreadable and anti-town" side, so universally policy lynching him seems to be the right call going forward.

[Not_Mafia]

I have active towngames, it just depends on whether I find an opening to get a handle on the game

Protip: Don't tell someone at the very beginning of the game they can just dick about and quickhammer and be town, if they're scum they'll take advantage

[Schism]

Had dino just outted the mark and lynched NM, town would have won.

Idk if thats more on Dinos IC play or NM “Wrench in the plan” by claiming marked.

[JaydragonKing]

I don't care about your previous games because they didn't help now. If my case was OMGUS, contributing to make it less so would have been the best thing to do. Instead, your words of making me think me and Schism were on the same team is what made me give up that train of thought.

it also wasn't a OMGUS, as you so love to call my votes. It was a gut read at the time, and emotion is also used in Mafia game as much as-and even more, sometimes- logic.

And if you wanted to get NotMaf lynched, coming out right after he claimed Marked would have made me Lynch him no matter what.

Your IC playstyle would definitely make me Lynch you more times then not.

[Mathdino]

@N_M: Thought you'd get policy lynched D2.

I wanted to see reactions to the marked thing. That was an opportunity we wouldn't get again. I was beginning to second guess NSG and the N_M mark reaction basically confirmed her and Jay as town to me.

I don't mean IC like Newbie Game IC, I mean IC as in mod-confirmed-town. I play a very specific way as mod-confirmed town assuming that town will be cohesive enough to play along to some extent. I guarantee you that had Shawn been replaced or actually came and started saying things (that weren't massively scummy) I would've turned on Schism. You don't get to blame me for convincing you to think a certain way while I was putting out feelers for certain theories xD

[northsidegal]

i'm not actually bitter about this game, nor do i think anyone deserves sole blame for the outcome. it's just something to learn from and look back on, for future games.