Mini 1278: Beehive Mystery II- Game Over

[th3kuzinator]

WE SHOULD ALL MASS CLAIM RIGHT NOW IMO

Or maybe just Fuzzy.

[Johoohno]

@Johoohno: /.../ last I checked, asking questions was a way to stimulate discussion. Attention could be all on me, it doesn't bother me.

Two things to fuzzy

, in response to above quote:

• Questions is definitely a way to stimulate discussion, and I like asking questions too. However, your questions came out nervous and eager to divert attention elsewhere.
  
• Attention all on you should bother you. Now is the time when we need you the most to prove you're town, otherwise you'll likely be lynched.

That said I'm not certain I want a claim just yet. We're only nine people in this setup and a potential power role might be outed or the field for looking for one might be narrowed down (although fuzzy seems likely to be lynched). Furthermore I took the liberty to skim around (does that expression make any sense?) on previous posts from fuzzy, since there weren't that many new posts to go through since my last visit. From what I saw I noticed a lot of replacing out and signs of confusion similar to those in this thread.

I'm not liking quote below one bit:

Do you want me to go ahead and kill him

@ Frogsterking:

• Do you want to kill fuzzy?
• Why?
• Why do you ask what we think?
• Do you have any scum reads on anyone else?

@ th3kuzinator:

Are you eager to get a few roles out in the open?

@ fuzzylightning:

Could you point us at any tells you've found note worthy? Often I find it helpful to assess people's motivation when they are on my case, since I know my own alignment.

@ everyone:

Is there someone with skill and time to do some meta on fuzzy to begin with? I've got neither. Also:

Do not lynch fuzzylightning just yet

. As kuz said, there is plenty of time still.

[Johoohno]

Actually, I got an ominous feeling fuzzy might be town, due to posts elsewhere, so I'll VOTE: Unvote for now, but I still have my eyes on you.

[th3kuzinator]

No.

And those were probably the two fluffiest posts I've ever read. IIoA and useless questions everywhere. Your reasoning for not wanting him to claim is that we might out a PR (but that's a risk you take when you ask anyone at anytime to claim so I have no idea why you're trying to use that as an argument) but you've said nothing about why your view on his alignment has changed except that you get an ominous feeling Fuzzy is town. You acknowledge in your points towards Fuzzy that what he's done is scummy and you've pretty much said IGMEOU, yet you somehow get the feeling he's town.

It looks like you're leaving yourself a backdoor if Fuzzy does flip town yet, at the same time, you're making sure you don't completely close off the option of going back to his lynch. Reeks.

Your nudge of Frog is also pretty apparent yet you don't follow up with any comments on his alignment. Why?

[th3kuzinator]

From what I saw I noticed a lot of replacing out and signs of confusion similar to those in this thread.

And I have no idea what this means.

[Johoohno]

Go and check out a few of fuzzy's posts in other games. You might find something useful there to help assess his performance here. What I found there (replacing out a lot and signs of confusions, mentioned above) is the only reason for not leaving my vote on fuzzy.

And obviously I'm interested in Frog's opinions, since he has barely posted.

[th3kuzinator]

Wah...? So because he's replacing out of other games his performance this game is explainable. Fuzzy isn't a new player I don't think so I don't see what excuse being confused is. I also don't take much stock in meta or other ongoing games since we shouldn't be discussing them anyway.

And I understand you're interested of Frog's opinion. But half the questions you've posed towards him are purely formed to make you look like you had more to ask him. You also plainly said "I don't like this response" yet don't follow up with any sort of indication of what you think of Frog's alignment. Liking someone and being town is not analogous and vice versa.

[fuzzylightning]

I haven't been active on site in a while. My last games were played at a time where I was very busy and probably shouldn't have been playing. If you are looking to get a read on me based on meta, I would suggest against that for exactly that reason. You want to know why I'm not scum, because I'm not. You've asked me for a claim, so you get one, I am a vanilla townie. Pressure votes are understandable, they are a way to gauge reactions, and if it happens to be on me, so be it. I know that I am town so now I have to figure out who isn't.

I'm really not sold on Frogsterking. He hasn't added anything substantial to this discussion at all. First he asks a question about whether anyone likes Marilyn Manson, then he calls mafia-n00b retarded (something that was basically repeating what other people had been saying), then he asks if people want him to kill me. So, for that, I ask Frogsterking, what do you have on anyone, aside from calling n00b retarded and calling my first two posts stupid.

I'd like to hear more from Grimmjow before anyone drops the hammer on myself, if that ends up being the case. He has been V/LA and has promised a post tonight.

kuz: Why do you want a mass claim? On day 1 and in a 9 player game, that's just asking for trouble. That's a scummy move right there if I've ever seen one.

I'd also like to see how Cow feels about everyone aside from mafia-n00b. He's been very tight-lipped aside from calling for his lynch.

My scum list right now:
Frogsterking: for lack of anything in this game and for looking to everyone else to tell him to drop the hammer. If he believes I'm scum, he should be willing to do it himself, if he doesn't believe I'm scum, then dropping the hammer should be out of the question.
Cow: Tunneling on mafia-n00b
kuz: Calling for a mass claim when someone is at L-1 on Day 1.

[th3kuzinator]

But don't you think that scum would know that they would be called out for suggesting a mass claim on D1 and thus wouldn't do it to draw attention to themselves. Thus, me suggesting we mass claim should auto-clear me.

Glad we've had this talk. How does that wine taste?

[th3kuzinator]

You want to know why I'm not scum, because I'm not.

That glorious defense.

[th3kuzinator]

I'm also curious as to why you singled out Grimmjow as someone who needed to post before your hammer when you say above that your main suspect hasn't contributed much either.

[fuzzylightning]

Let's leave the WIFOM out of this because that doesn't make your actions any less scummy there, and was the triple post really necessary? I didn't just single out Grimmjow, I also asked Frogsterking to post as well. In fact, I believe I asked both my top two suspects to post more, in addition to Grimmjow.

[th3kuzinator]

Yes. Yes it was. WIFOM is the spice of life.

What are your thoughts on Uphill and Joohhonhoo?

[fuzzylightning]

I am unsure of how to interpret the latest actions from Johoohno regarding looking at my past games. I don't like when people use meta to determine the alignment of another player, but I also don't find using meta as inherently scummy. It's a tool that people can use, but I try not to put too much stock into it. For him, I would lean more town than anything else.

As far as Uphill, I would say he's the most pro-town player so far, in my eyes, and his using his vote the way he should be, to put pressure on who he thinks is scum. We'll see what he has to say when he comes back in a day or so.

[hasdgfas]

wow, I want to lynch 3 people. kuz, mafia-n00b, and fuzzy. That's unfortunate.

[th3kuzinator]

Curious to know your reasoning on those choices.

[hasdgfas]

Curious to know your reasoning on those choices.

Because I think they're scum.

[th3kuzinator]

Your answers are adorable.

What specific evidence do you have to support that we're scummy?

[hasdgfas]

If you want one reason for each, here they are:

You want to know why I'm not scum, because I'm not.

He knows better than this.

But don't you think that scum would know that they would be called out for suggesting a mass claim on D1 and thus wouldn't do it to draw attention to themselves. Thus, me suggesting we mass claim should auto-clear me.

Yuck.

@hasdgfas You can lynch me if you want, but I'd rather you didn't, since that'd be bad for the town. Lynch scum instead, I'm town.

AtE.


Upon a re-read, that's probably the hierarchy of how I want to lynch too.

[th3kuzinator]

Am I serious about suggesting a massclaim?

y/n

[hasdgfas]

Am I serious about suggesting a massclaim?

y/n

irrelevant.

[hasdgfas]

Am I serious about suggesting a massclaim?

y/n

irrelevant.

I should clarify. It's pretty obvious you weren't serious, but then instead of stating that, you decide to do a wonderful WIFOM song and dance that leads to "so I must be clear". It's distraction and there's no town motivation to be that tangential.

[th3kuzinator]

So if it's clear I'm joking with the mass claim request then it should also follow from that that I'm joking about Fuzzy's stonefaced response to it.

Just clarifying that you view me as scummy for being a distraction (in a thread that has an average of ten posts per day). As for there being no town motivation, I'd file it under the category of enjoyment.

Glad we've had this talk.

[th3kuzinator]

Back on topic: If Fuzzy is a fairly established player on these boards then I agree. You're right about n00b AtE'ing but I'm sure you know just as well as I do that AtE by itself isn't a scumtell and the intent behind his particular case reads town instead of scum.

[hasdgfas]

So if it's clear I'm joking with the mass claim request then it should also follow from that that I'm joking about Fuzzy's stonefaced response to it.

That doesn't follow at all.

Just clarifying that you view me as scummy for being a distraction (in a thread that has an average of ten posts per day).

What does this have to do with anything?

As for there being no town motivation, I'd file it under the category of enjoyment.

So your enjoyment is more important than what's best for the town. Got it.