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[biancospino]

-crescent's post delves multiple layers deep into a post that's literally just a joke
-frog explicitly says he's not reading that much into it, and i'm not either - just happy with that spot for my vote on page 2, although this reaction certainly doesn't make me feel worse about it

On break for a moment, I'll read the next page later.

That post was 7 minutes after he got voted, he has provided no content to speak of the first ~24 hours of the game, and he doesn't have a post since then. It feels like a weak defense to just dismiss it as a joke - I want to see something from him of substance.

Wrt the timing, are you implying that he's just keeping an eye on the thread while lurking and only posted out of perceived necessity for self-preservation, or that it was coordinated?

[Crescent]

RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.

VOTE: geraintm

Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.

if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the joke

maybe im just confused as to what you're referring to tbh, you're so deep in layers that i don't even understand what you're talking about in this post and the followup to it x3

This feels very fake. The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry.

You seem to be going out of your way to drastically conflate what I'm actually saying with all this nonsense talk about "layers". It feels like a very hard deflection relative to a minimal amount of pressure being put on him.

[Crescent]

Crappy work internet ate my last post, but the former.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Don't particularly like Ceph's defence of Clone.

[biancospino]

@bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that

I know that I feel your posts are not a town POV. At this stage of the game that will be all I have to play with.

I played mafia off and on starting in 2008. I've played consistently since 2014. There's nothing new about me other than this account or my way of playing.

and you've never seen someone throw a vote around on minimal basis on page 2?????

I hate this but think it's town
VOTE: BBT

i would still like and answer to my question

I won't be giving one for I cannot remember

I am getting somewhat lost tbh. What question? If it's the one in the quote then Elenents' answer doesn't parse, so I presume it must be the one in 55?

[Frogsterking]

Biancospino is my only Town read so far (hi bianco!), I lean Town on Crescent, Elements and geraintm for a medley of reasons, I scum lean redFF, and finally I feel like the back and forth between Cephrir and Kowabunga is AI and I have some thoughts on it but it will probably take me ~24 hours to come to any meaningful conclusions.

JacksonVirgo is about to qualify as

the

slot who was "late to the party."
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@

bianco

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JacksonVirgo

can you give me second opinions on the BBT and Clone interaction?

#nullwars

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RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.

Youve caight me i am scum

Why did the above post even have to exist and why did it take you multiple pages to post the below:

geraint had just posted so i didnt have to scroll up to look at the playerlist i just voted him

Why not just respond to 21 with this originally?

@Red I need to see something from you, Red, which doesn't ping me as scum.

like what

Explaining your scum reads, pushing your scum reads, doing things that help you acquire scum reads or clarifying how your current play is helping you to acquire scum reads.

herta tell me who to vote

Exactly like I said earlier: I'm not reading into it a ton yet and I can't help but feel like this is a little bit of a deflection from the larger body of what herta just said. I feel like herta basically tossed you the ball with 69 and you took the ball and booted it onto the roof of the schoolhouse with 70. I think herta was implying that you may be Town here and voting geraintm subconsciously out of frustration or vindication which I can buy, I can also argue though based on herta's same words that you have been given precedent to believe geraintm is a safe and/or easy wagon for you to push as scum. FMPOV 19 is a post I had to think about for a while when I first read it whereas if I were scum I would want to slap a vote on a slot posting like that ASAP if I felt there would never be any consequences for doing so.

[biancospino]

RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.

VOTE: geraintm

Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.

if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the joke

maybe im just confused as to what you're referring to tbh, you're so deep in layers that i don't even understand what you're talking about in this post and the followup to it x3

This feels very fake. The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry.

You seem to be going out of your way to drastically conflate what I'm actually saying with all this nonsense talk about "layers". It feels like a very hard deflection relative to a minimal amount of pressure being put on him.

@ceph, What is "this post" exactly? The post you quoted directly is from yourself, so I presume the Crescent post quoted therein (33)?

if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the joke

This responds to 33, which does not talk about Clone, and instead talks about Elements' naked vote. Are you saying that vote was an obvious joke?

Or maybe the quoting is messed up in some way?

[Frogsterking]

@

bianco

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JacksonVirgo

can you give me second opinions on the BBT and Clone interaction?

#nullwars

[Frogsterking]

Biancospino is my only Town read so far (hi bianco!),

[biancospino]

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bianco

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JacksonVirgo

can you give me second opinions on the BBT and Clone interaction?

I'm conflicted actually. I can see Clone as either alignment just slightly panicking after being voted and just slapping something toghether to disempasse, if this is actually his first game as it seems. If that's not the case, I'd say that's fishier.

@BBT didn't actually do much, but I'm interested on whether their distaste for ceph's defense of clone comes from the fact they sus clone themselves, or from the fact they dislike ceph's arguments specifically

[biancospino]

@

bianco

@

JacksonVirgo

can you give me second opinions on the BBT and Clone interaction?

#nullwars

Ehi, no need to spam :/

[biancospino]

I'm also going to sleep btw, so if you need to ask anything else you'll probably have to wait 'till morning

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think Clone is scum.

[Cephrir]

RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.

VOTE: geraintm

Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.

if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the joke

maybe im just confused as to what you're referring to tbh, you're so deep in layers that i don't even understand what you're talking about in this post and the followup to it x3

This feels very fake. The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry.

You seem to be going out of your way to drastically conflate what I'm actually saying with all this nonsense talk about "layers". It feels like a very hard deflection relative to a minimal amount of pressure being put on him.

You got me I was pretending to be confused for some mysterious reason there's no way that could be legit

[Cephrir]

Don't particularly like Ceph's defence of Clone.

Just telling you my read dude

[Cephrir]

@bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that

I know that I feel your posts are not a town POV. At this stage of the game that will be all I have to play with.

I played mafia off and on starting in 2008. I've played consistently since 2014. There's nothing new about me other than this account or my way of playing.

and you've never seen someone throw a vote around on minimal basis on page 2?????

I hate this but think it's town
VOTE: BBT

i would still like and answer to my question

I won't be giving one for I cannot remember

I am getting somewhat lost tbh. What question? If it's the one in the quote then Elenents' answer doesn't parse, so I presume it must be the one in 55?

Correct

[Cephrir]

RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.

VOTE: geraintm

Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.

if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the joke

maybe im just confused as to what you're referring to tbh, you're so deep in layers that i don't even understand what you're talking about in this post and the followup to it x3

This feels very fake. The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry.

You seem to be going out of your way to drastically conflate what I'm actually saying with all this nonsense talk about "layers". It feels like a very hard deflection relative to a minimal amount of pressure being put on him.

@ceph, What is "this post" exactly? The post you quoted directly is from yourself, so I presume the Crescent post quoted therein (33)?

if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the joke

This responds to 33, which does not talk about Clone, and instead talks about Elements' naked vote. Are you saying that vote was an obvious joke?

Or maybe the quoting is messed up in some way?

Correct

If Clone was in any way related to crescent's post I was responding to, then I'm even more confused than I thought

[Cephrir]

Let me try this interaction again, I'm clearly in the weeds.

RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.

VOTE: geraintm

Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.

Actually I would say FK being scum could also increase the scum equity (but by not as much) because it's potentially a cheap way to create distance between the two. Regardless, will need to see more posts from there. Anyways no one else is posting right now and I'm about to go to work so that's swell.

Can you explain what these posts mean to me again with quotes? I got lost

[biancospino]

@ceph, on #91. I don't think 33 is related to clone, however Crescent response to your response was (

The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry

) so I'm confused here, there must have been some miscommunication along the way.

[Cephrir]

@ceph, on #91. I don't think 33 is related to clone, however Crescent response to your response was (

The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry

) so I'm confused here, there must have been some miscommunication along the way.

Ok I was talking about elements there but I see why my reading is nonsense now

[Cephrir]

let's try that again

VOTE: Kowabungah

If I had to choose any slots so far which are +AI for scum then I'd choose this one.

9 and 12 pinged me too, I think that's just paranoia though.

Help me with the +AI thing

On a less speculative note I've observed variations of "hey x, this is a reference to that game where you and I were both Town" are more likely to come from scum at the beginning of the game. I'm not exactly reading into it much yet though it might also matter that herta is IC. On a highly speculative note I imagined that you sounded a little downbeat in your first 2 posts, which makes me think you drew a scum PM. At this point in the game, while you are my first "serious" suspect, it's relatively easy for you to get me to flip my read on you just by performing some scum hunting.

11 pinged me as well and this is a reasonably good effort at explaining why my gut response occurred

Actually I would say FK being scum could also increase the scum equity (but by not as much) because it's potentially a cheap way to create distance between the two. Regardless, will need to see more posts from there. Anyways no one else is posting right now and I'm about to go to work so that's swell.

In any case, I find myself rather neutral on Red as far, as alignment goes. Red feels like he could be scum jumping in early, but he also feels like he can be lazy town who doesn't give a ****, and I'm not sure which it is yet. Red's posts vibe as totally dismissive and not trying yet.

Clone's two posts give vibes like he's trying too hard, by forcing himself to post when he feels he has to post *something*, because he doesn't know what to say.

i think you're reading too much into things

i thought clone actually came off as funny and not concerned tbh

Scum often find it hard to transition into a game, and I find early game awkwardness to have a fair amount of scum AI. (I'm interested to see what Ceph and especially Gera's second posts look like, for example).

*spooky jazz hands*

VOTE: Kow

This is the only time I thought we were talking about clone. I am dumb

[Cephrir]

Oh I bet bbt thought more of my posts were about clone too

It all makes sense now

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't read that hot mess of quotes.

I just saw you saying he was trying to be funny or something

[Frogsterking]

@

bianco

@

JacksonVirgo

can you give me second opinions on the BBT and Clone interaction?

I'm conflicted actually. I can see Clone as either alignment just slightly panicking after being voted and just slapping something toghether to disempasse, if this is actually his first game as it seems. If that's not the case, I'd say that's fishier.

@BBT didn't actually do much, but I'm interested on whether their distaste for ceph's defense of clone comes from the fact they sus clone themselves, or from the fact they dislike ceph's arguments specifically

I'm also going to sleep btw, so if you need to ask anything else you'll probably have to wait 'till morning

Okay that's

I'll get my "homework" questions for you out tonight while I solve and compile them into one post for you to answer tomorrow morning. I know I can be demanding but it's a team guessing game and two pairs of eyes are

a lot

better than one.


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@ceph, on #91. I don't think 33 is related to clone, however Crescent response to your response was (

The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry

) so I'm confused here, there must have been some miscommunication along the way.

If you're going to be on for a while after all I can hurry up and try to get you the rest of my "homework" questions now?

[biancospino]

I'll be up for a little while still, yes