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Oh my bad zakk is floof
Still don't know why you changed from bins to zakk (floof)
P.edit - yeah just got itRobbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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that's a strange takeaway from that because i think keyser opting ha>ira - in the way he did - felt more town than notIn post 744, Dunnstral wrote:It feels like he gives too much attention to h_a - as if they were bussing h_a the whole time
because ira had more heat
plus ha went out of his way to badmouth keyser every chance he got, doesn't feel like buddies to me-
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Distancing is possible.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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i mean yea distancing is one thing but your first actual content in the game going out of your way to call a buddy's every post "useless" and build a semi-case on them and carry a dialogue with some one else about them for a bit seems unnecessaryIn post 268, heuristically_alone wrote:
Because literally every post he has made has been completely useless. Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up
Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.
@Dunnstral has been by far the most entertaining player for me to follow in this game so far. As for liking him, makes me want him to be town. Best proof I have of you being town is your response to post 34 by xyzzy.
the quick townread of dunn also makes me think not-buddies but dunn was a uni-townread at that point so if dunn was scum then he's a-ok to read him that way anyway so it's more meh-
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I mean when you look at it like that keyser also responded to ira quite a few times so maybe it was nothing (though ira did have the heat), it just looked like he was bussing hard and early to me
@Jake Tyler reminded me of that "why are we unvoting" thing that happened (also might as well lynch zakk instead of uselessly voting bins)
Also where did I lie ever? I think you're confused-
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Do you have short term memory loss? At least twice maybe 3 times day 1 I accused you of saying things that weren't true. Today the post that you made that was obviously your attempt to accuse me of things I weren't doing were mostly untrue as well.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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Dunnstral he/himGoodfellashe/him
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You were wrong every time day 1 too, I've basically accepted that every game I enter at least one person will randomly hard tunnel onto me without a real reason
short term memory loss = something that happened 3-4 days ago
When did I accuse you of doing things you weren't? Post 726? Here the thing: you were doing all of that. I was just pointing it out, I didn't say you were mafia for it and I don't think that-
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If I'm reading this correctly you think the interactions make keyser more likely to be town?In post 755, Tyler the Creator wrote:
i mean yea distancing is one thing but your first actual content in the game going out of your way to call a buddy's every post "useless" and build a semi-case on them and carry a dialogue with some one else about them for a bit seems unnecessaryIn post 268, heuristically_alone wrote:
Because literally every post he has made has been completely useless. Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up
Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.
@Dunnstral has been by far the most entertaining player for me to follow in this game so far. As for liking him, makes me want him to be town. Best proof I have of you being town is your response to post 34 by xyzzy.
the quick townread of dunn also makes me think not-buddies but dunn was a uni-townread at that point so if dunn was scum then he's a-ok to read him that way anyway so it's more meh-
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Tyler the Creator
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In post 728, zakk wrote:
if by my time you mean the 3 years longer I've been on the site than you, then okIn post 719, Zachstralkita wrote:ayo zakk what's goin on
let me just get one thing clear im gonna assume seniority on the basis of my name has an H opposed to a K
thank you for your time
i am fine with juniority though
time is of no importance sir, it's the letters that matter
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Got it.In post 705, Bins wrote:The move was crazy town itself. As in, if H_A had flipped town, Robert would be pretty much conf town to me. But now that's he's flipped scum, I have no idea.
Leaning town on Bins.
Ohhhh OK. That makes sense, thank you for clearing that up.In post 711, Tyler the Creator wrote:depends if scum get fakeclaims? i don't play a lot of normals so im not completely sure if that's usually a thing
my point was basically that scum are more careful when claiming stuff
What are you basing this on? Did you research this?In post 712, Jaack wrote:The Macho modifier, while theoretically conceivable on an otherwise vanilla role, is virtually always seen on something with a night action, generally a powerful one, so as to balance it."Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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I was wrong none of the times day 1.In post 758, Dunnstral wrote:You were wrong every time day 1 too, I've basically accepted that every game I enter at least one person will randomly hard tunnel onto me without a real reason
short term memory loss = something that happened 3-4 days ago
When did I accuse you of doing things you weren't? Post 726? Here the thing: you were doing all of that. I was just pointing it out, I didn't say you were mafia for it and I don't think that
And yes post 726.
You are correct that I voted without reason. That's my thing and you really need to get over it at this point.
You are incorrect that I was blindly defending especially because I explained why I was defending Robert.
You are correct that I'm not pressuring anything with my one vote. Nobody can pressure with just 1 vote though. I can at least try by placing my vote on who I think is scum
You are incorrect in saying that I thought zach's vote was guranteed. I'm not even sure how you could even say what I'm thinking with such certainty. I didn't actually have Zach on my mind at all when I voted you.
So half of your post is factually wrong and 1 part while factually correct is actually impossible for anyone to doRobbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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In post 725, Dunnstral wrote:
So are you going to explain how you went from hard tunneling me to "voting dunn is a bad move "In post 719, Zachstralkita wrote:
Also gonna go ahead and second that the vote on Dunn is a bad move
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K analysis.
It occurred to me that we've actually gained a pretty valuable tool for finding the third scum if we can find the second scum.
The fact scum have daytalk changes the dynamic of HA's doc claim. There's no way scum wouldn't have discussed HA's claim prior to him claiming, so the other scum on the team would have had some kind of plan. IMO, there were only two objectives scum could've had there: assuming HA would die and voting him immediately, or trying to use HA's claim to dismantle his wagon.
So if we get a scumflip on a player who bussed HA after he claimed doc, it would be logical to assume that the other scum player also bussed HA. And if we get a scumflip on a player who seemed like they were waiting to see how other people reacted, or who actively tried to dismantle the HA wagon, we would do well to look for another player that acted similarly.
Specifically, if Robert is scum, this suggests that the scum were trying to save HA with his doc claim, because why would Robert step in and claim macho townie if not to save HA? If that were the case, and we would only know for sure if we got a scumflip on Robert, then we would do well to hunt for the last scum within the pool of people who tried to argue that HA was town after the doc claim.
On the Robert claim, I'm less inclined to lynch him than I was toward the end of D1. Part of this has to do with rereading the last part of #596. I finally understand what he was saying. We were thinking about game balance in different ways, I think. I was thinking about how a mod would try to have rolesinteract with each other, while Robert was talking about weighingnegatives against positives within the town. While I think we disagree about how bad a macho townie is for town, I get the basic logic at least.
On top of that, I also realized that it's weird to see fakeclaiming, gambiting scum not only coming up with the super weird fakeclaim of macho townie, but then having that explanation (from #596) for why they think a macho townie would be in the game. The structure of what he's writing doesn't really fit in with the kind of mindset that a scum partner would have to have in order to think that fakeclaiming under those circumstances was a good idea.
Spoiler: The HA wagon
Spoiler: Robert's claim
Conclusions:
-More suspicious of Tyler now.
-More suspicious of floof now.
-Jake is probably town.
-Keyser is probably town.
-Bins is maybe town.
Up next:
-Looking through HA's ISO for interactions.
-Examining the cognitive dissonance I have when considering the possibility of a Tyler-floof/zakk-HA scum team."Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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In post 764, Dunnstral wrote:In post 725, Dunnstral wrote:
So are you going to explain how you went from hard tunneling me to "voting dunn is a bad move "In post 719, Zachstralkita wrote:
Also gonna go ahead and second that the vote on Dunn is a bad move
I would think during your 8 year term at MIT you learned the word " sarcasm "-
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Why do I feel like I always get left out of theseIn post 765, toolenduso wrote:K analysis.
It occurred to me that we've actually gained a pretty valuable tool for finding the third scum if we can find the second scum.
The fact scum have daytalk changes the dynamic of HA's doc claim. There's no way scum wouldn't have discussed HA's claim prior to him claiming, so the other scum on the team would have had some kind of plan. IMO, there were only two objectives scum could've had there: assuming HA would die and voting him immediately, or trying to use HA's claim to dismantle his wagon.
So if we get a scumflip on a player who bussed HA after he claimed doc, it would be logical to assume that the other scum player also bussed HA. And if we get a scumflip on a player who seemed like they were waiting to see how other people reacted, or who actively tried to dismantle the HA wagon, we would do well to look for another player that acted similarly.
Specifically, if Robert is scum, this suggests that the scum were trying to save HA with his doc claim, because why would Robert step in and claim macho townie if not to save HA? If that were the case, and we would only know for sure if we got a scumflip on Robert, then we would do well to hunt for the last scum within the pool of people who tried to argue that HA was town after the doc claim.
On the Robert claim, I'm less inclined to lynch him than I was toward the end of D1. Part of this has to do with rereading the last part of #596. I finally understand what he was saying. We were thinking about game balance in different ways, I think. I was thinking about how a mod would try to have rolesinteract with each other, while Robert was talking about weighingnegatives against positives within the town. While I think we disagree about how bad a macho townie is for town, I get the basic logic at least.
On top of that, I also realized that it's weird to see fakeclaiming, gambiting scum not only coming up with the super weird fakeclaim of macho townie, but then having that explanation (from #596) for why they think a macho townie would be in the game. The structure of what he's writing doesn't really fit in with the kind of mindset that a scum partner would have to have in order to think that fakeclaiming under those circumstances was a good idea.
Spoiler: The HA wagon
Spoiler: Robert's claim
Conclusions:
-More suspicious of Tyler now.
-More suspicious of floof now.
-Jake is probably town.
-Keyser is probably town.
-Bins is maybe town.
Up next:
-Looking through HA's ISO for interactions.
-Examining the cognitive dissonance I have when considering the possibility of a Tyler-floof/zakk-HA scum team.
Oh wait there I am in the corner. The line (after zach declares intent to hammer, but earlier than dunn) is confusing to me a bit, you're meaning zach declares intent to hammer after me, but at an earlier time? Also he was messing around and clearly didn't hammer (not because he didn't want to be hammer or anything, to be fair he didn't hammer because there was still discussion and I declared I was going to hammer)
Aside from that:
Do you think tyler would hard bus his mafia partner (floof) as his other partner (h_a) is getting lynched? That seems pretty risky
I actually agree that jaack is probably town and I overlooked him as being town from t he interactions
"bins is maybe town" not sure where you drew that conclusion from... I do see you talking about bins under the robert section but nothing to indicate they're town
What do you think of xyzzy?
Also this floof/zakk lynch is starting to look better and better-
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Got anything you want to contribute orIn post 766, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 764, Dunnstral wrote:In post 725, Dunnstral wrote:
So are you going to explain how you went from hard tunneling me to "voting dunn is a bad move "In post 719, Zachstralkita wrote:
Also gonna go ahead and second that the vote on Dunn is a bad move
I would think during your 8 year term at MIT you learned the word " sarcasm "-
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I just did a site search for macho townie. This is the most recent appearance of such a role I can find: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=30753In post 762, toolenduso wrote:
What are you basing this on? Did you research this?In post 712, Jaack wrote:The Macho modifier, while theoretically conceivable on an otherwise vanilla role, is virtually always seen on something with a night action, generally a powerful one, so as to balance it.
I should note that there were no protecting roles in that game, making the macho townie, in essence, a named townie.
Since then, two players have fakeclaimed macho townie, one being scum and the other a bomb.
I also found a brief discussion in MD of fakeclaiming macho as town in order to draw a night kill (I imagine that's what the bomb was trying to do). The only person who responded to that proposal said they would lynch anyone who claimed macho townie
Most macho roles I found were some sort of investigative role, with a few docs thrown in.
Searched for macho vt. Found another game from 2012 with one, and a proposed open set up that kind of revolved around the idea, that as far as I can tell was never played.
So that's two, and none in nearly 3 years. That's actually more common than I expected.-
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Nevermind see you talking about them recently in your isoIn post 767, Dunnstral wrote: "bins is maybe town" not sure where you drew that conclusion from... I do see you talking about bins under the robert section but nothing to indicate they're town-
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In post 768, Dunnstral wrote:
Got anything you want to contribute orIn post 766, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 764, Dunnstral wrote:In post 725, Dunnstral wrote:
So are you going to explain how you went from hard tunneling me to "voting dunn is a bad move "In post 719, Zachstralkita wrote:
Also gonna go ahead and second that the vote on Dunn is a bad move
I would think during your 8 year term at MIT you learned the word " sarcasm "
yeah bud the floof/zakk lynch is a NO GO-
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i like tool's last post a bunch
i can see where he's coming from with the tyler stuff for the most part except ignoring ha isn't exactly fair to say because he was pretty lurktastical and i did put some attention on floof's initial vote there and coming back right around his claim was just a matter of the timing just happening that way
plus realistically the chances of a robert wagon (or anyone else for that matter) going through were slim to none and i'd have probably played it similarly as scum except i probably don't bother voting robert to try and get him to respond to my question because why bother (which he still hasn't done btw)
also tool - our thoughts on floof align quite a bit, help me make this happen baby-
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