NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Saudade]

Be careful where you thread Garmr

[Garmr]

Be careful where you thread Garmr

Will do.

[Saudade]

Unvote my kitty.

[Saudade]

And vote CT.

[Saudade]

Or at least tell me what's your take on him

[Garmr]

Or at least tell me what's your take on him

after I sleep.

[davesaz]

I get that CT is your top scumread -- is he your only one?
Yes, yes, I could look. But it's another work day.
I see enough scum there to make it worth a *wagon*. We haven't had a real *wagon* yet.

VOTE: Completely Trustworthy

Spoiler: *

Playing DF lately

[Saudade]

I get them one at a time
good vote

[Completly Trustworthy]

Saudade, you haven't made a case against me for a long time, I would really like to know why you are so interested in tunneling me.

Dave, why do you find me scummy? I remember you talking about a scumtell, but I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Tictac, why have you been ignoring me? Are you not interested in elaborating on your reads at this point in time?

[Saudade]

The nature of your reactionary posts ping me to no end.

[Completly Trustworthy]

Why do you think being reactionary is scummy Saudade? Also, how have I been reactionary? I think I've replied to people directly questioning me, but so has everyone else.

[Completly Trustworthy]

Mod, I have a question? Would talking about how Saudade acted in a game I'm currently playing that he replaced out of be breaking a rule?

[davesaz]

I'll save some time and take that one.
If the game is in progress you can't talk about it, no matter what the status of the players.

[Lapsa]

I think he already did. dirty tricks

[Completly Trustworthy]

Figured as much, well then lets just say I think Saudade is acting unusual and I don't know why.

[Io]

Honestly someone doesn't need to write a new thesis as to why they are scum reading you every few days that pass.
Really you only need to explain when you change it or at least address the counter points made.

[Saudade]

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[Io]

I think Saudade.exe crashed.

[Io]

Look, there is a very specific reason I don't want CT lynched today.
Yes, he is scummy, but he is far from the optimal lynch.

[Completly Trustworthy]

Technically, Saudade did change his reason for wanting me lynched. He initially said I was scummy for "alienating" myself and not taking stances. Now he claims I'm being reactionary. In both cases, I didn't really understand his logic as the claims that I was alienating myself and being reactionary were kind of vague without actual examples to back them up.

[Completly Trustworthy]

Anyways, Io, what's your opinion of Saudade? Have you played with him before, if so, then is he prone to doing this sort of thing?

[Lapsa]

dude, you are practically eating the rope yet casually inquiring Io for random opinions

[Io]

I wouldn't really call that changing the argument, just adding another piece of evidence. Again you don't need to restate all the reasons you suspect someone every time you change anything.
Changing it would be saying something like "you know what i think I was wrong about him alienating himself and not taking stances"

Honestly, the alienation claim makes sense. Early on you were distancing yourself from the others by in the middle of RVSing saying that you were new and wanted to know what a good way of scum hunting and looking for town is.
It's not strong of an argument, but the reason is valid to point out I think. Scum, after all, know they are not town and thus may accidentally alienate themselves subconsciously not treating themselves as confirmed town which all town will do as they know they are town.
You also tend to ask more questions than give reads yourself which is both alienation and not taking stances. Not taking stances is a less valid argument in my opinion though as you do actually post reads, but your reads are noticeably limited (except in 398, but he made that argument a while ago before that post) and actually quite a bit delayed in my opinion. 243 for example was quite a delayed vote in comparison to the posts you were quoting for your vote. It looks like you waited for others input on Lapsa before pushing him yourself. It's a reactionary tactic that scum tend to do.

I don't really remember Sudade before, this is my first game since I last played back in my first year of college. (about a year ago, I think I left Jan-March this year) So, no I don't know if this is his style of play, but I do just give people the benifit of the doubt that they are posting their normal way as I don't really like meta arguments. Mostly since, I myself purposely manipulate my meta so that I don't change how I play from town and scum (aside from obviously who I am trying to lynch).

[davesaz]

Look, there is a very specific reason I don't want CT lynched today.
Yes, he is scummy, but he is far from the optimal lynch.

Is this a change of opinion from 650?

[davesaz]

I think CT is changing stances under pressure. Thoughts on that?