Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[Menalque]

I would say I actually TR u

Pooky is probably town from the way the game is moving around him, plus he did mindmeld about limming in 6p first which is still obviously the correct thing to do

Norwee is just like, not scummy as much as the other two

No face being so null is kinda more worrying than norwee being very null on balance

Vanders is actively scummy


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Skitter is like fine and I will sheep her on her top SR prob

Infinity or bingle scum is kind of a tossup

Probably I’d lead bingle being scum there bc infinity is pissing me off in a similar way to how she normally pisses me off when town

[Menalque]

her voting me while clearly behaving as if I’m town is probably +town

[Menalque]

the scum in the 3pool can't bus

This isn’t true and is a bad assumption and lends itself to gambiting

i mean sure they could go very gambitty but I wanna push the scum to take risks in this kind of setup

Let’s just lim vanders and win automatically

[Infinity 324]

But knowing that scum aren't bussing isn't useful when the end result is killing a town.

I agree and that's why I proposed my plan to take away agency from the group of 3 but w/e

[Infinity 324]

infinity is pissing me off in a similar way to how she normally pisses me off when town

Lmao good read

[Menalque]

Also guess who’s opposed to a vanders lim pooky? 2/3 of the people who you’ve been saying can’t bus

[Ydrasse]

what other than the vote from vanders is scummy or is it just that

(fwiw i don't put much stock into who thought of xyz being optimal for town first as being actively towny bc with this setup i think scum are thinking a lot harder about how it works and probably reach that conclusion quick enough where it's not groundbreaking + it's going to be discovered eventually that it's best to lim in 6p so might as well out it)

[Menalque]

Right but if ur scum then it’s like unclear if the cred u get from outing optimal strategy is actually worth letting town follow optimal strategy when they might just... not, if you don’t mention it

Idk I generally err on the side of “don’t help town” when I’m scum, although there are obviously exceptions

[Menalque]

Vanders is scummy for being like incredibly milquetoast and then exceedingly opportunistic and seems to be one of the slots that 2/3 of the bus-disincentivised pool is avoiding

[Menalque]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

[Ydrasse]

i guess we have a different in opinion because as scum i'm prone to helping for credit / trying to do the little things to build up a rapport, and ultimately i think that like yeah, it's one of those small beginning-game things to out "this is optimally how we approach this setup" that isn't like... THAT impactful in the grand scheme of things, i guess, but. idk. in this setup in particular scum probably thought a bit harder about it, came to conclusion, and it wouldn't surprise me if they doubled down on it after putting the thought in

[Menalque]

Actually I take it back I think I have been towny this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

:/

um in the coalition game I also didn't really force a coalition through until much later in the day when I re-assessed.

also my plan in this game was literally punt the elim decision to the 3pool to see how they decided on the elim because of the cross-scum dynamics.

in the 6pool you're much more likely to get TvT fighting which I wanted to avoid.

[Infinity 324]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Why?

[Ydrasse]

i will never be convinced to kill no face btw idc idc idc im doubling down on the townread and i am going to look like a fool if hes scum afte r this game but i've cracked the code where i know how to read him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Why?

probs bc then it becomes a crapshoot i assume, killing in 2 that have the same exact reads

[Ydrasse]

if skitter is scum i feel for her coming back to infinity being lovingly embraced into the town

[Ydrasse]

if infinity has decided the time has come to pocket me... well..... words will be had

[Menalque]

I mean it’s normally a balance but if I’m helping it’s probably on a minor point or breaking up a not-too-major TvT fight

Idk towns go wrong a lot even when something is super duper blindingly fuckin obvious (see: the fact that there is debate this game over whether it’s better to lim in the 6p or the 3p pool first) so just not helping them is imo the standard thing for scum to do, and I also feel like that’s what pooky would more likely do, as I don’t think he’d feel like he’d need the cred to help him survive?

[Infinity 324]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Why?

probs bc then it becomes a crapshoot i assume, killing in 2 that have the same exact reads

I guess? But what if the other one starts SRing your partner? And it looks suspicious from jingle's side because he doesn't SR me/TR skitt strongly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky, what's different between this game and nancy vs titus, by the way?

it feels like, generally, when you're town and someone you Like is town, you sort of don't immediately jump to thinking they're scum and start pushing them and trying to case; it feels like you call them silly, go "oh you're town haha and all your reads are good but not that one!" and you're not... doing that this game? there's a lack of silliness when it comes to the /content/ (because even when you were getting pushed there i feel you had a sense of levity in how you responded) and here it's just like you are more down to business, "he is scum he is not town with a bad read" and i want to understand what you think the difference is? because from what i can tell, you shouldn't be reacting like this to his read on you (at least, fmpov beacuse i think he's town) :<

i also have a tinfoil i will keep to myself that makes me think you are leaning more into scum

Well you can read in the mason discord, I said I thought Hectic's probly town because all of his scumreads except for me are the same as all of my scumreads so he's got the same approach to the game as me.

That's not possible to do here because there's no multiple other scumreads for me to use as a baseline to read him.

[Ydrasse]

he doesn't need it to survive but it's still nice nonetheless

i think another issue i have with him is that he has this really cool obvious plan, he is the number 1 fan for it, but i haven't seen him do a lot to like... see it to fruition to actually catch scum, which maybe im hypocritical bc lord knows i don't always do things, but idk, just feels like there's no passion there

[Menalque]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Why?

Bc it makes it a huge toss up between the two when eventual lim is needed

Like a very viable strat is to hope that the 6p can survive 2 days, which then gives you a situation where if you have a solid UTR in the 3p best town has is two days of 50/50 in a row

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will never be convinced to kill no face btw idc idc idc im doubling down on the townread and i am going to look like a fool if hes scum afte r this game but i've cracked the code where i know how to read him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you have literally never played a game with scum!him so how would you know what scum!him looks like?

[Ydrasse]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Why?

probs bc then it becomes a crapshoot i assume, killing in 2 that have the same exact reads

I guess? But what if the other one starts SRing your partner? And it looks suspicious from jingle's side because he doesn't SR me/TR skitt strongly

i mean it works better in a vacuum imo in practice it's hard to fake esp since you'd be trying to stay 1 step ahead of who you think the other person would townread, and if your partner got scumread, yikes