Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Firebringer]

people still suspected i was scum even though I was vanillized.

I mean there was no way of confirming whether you got vanillized or not, aside from SS dying and no one else claiming vanillizer. You could argue he got guiltied before he could use it, but he used it pretty much because the plan was to guilty him and get him elimmed (and in a best case scenario, maybe he could talk his way out of the guilty), he was fighting the guilty as if it was a TvS so im proud of him for that, that distancing didnt look like a bus.

i meant that people still suspected us after SS flipped scum vanillizer right before i claimed vanillized. We still got people scumreading us or paranoia on us until the end (see Taly paranoia in our hood).

Its actually amazing how much under the radar u got with how much paranoia we had in our hood. I legit was questioning whether deimos could be a scum mason at one point, RC was so pissed at our stupid questions.

[Sakura Hana]

Speaking of
Can we finally get to see NK15's actual role?

[Deimos27]

Its actually amazing how much under the radar u got with how much paranoia we had in our hood. I legit was questioning whether deimos could be a scum mason at one point, RC was so pissed at our stupid questions.

We all considered literally everyone else in the game being scum except sakura it was pretty nuts

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Sakura played very well and overall scum made fairly good night actions and town tied their hands up but still managed to keep punching themselves in the face. I'm happy with the outcome and not really sympathetic to people who think Sakura's alt wincon was unfair outside of a broader 'alt wincons are unfair', town has a long list of powerful roles and the vast majority of them were not used well enough to win even in a setup that was specifically designed to prevent town from accruing clears and guilties over time. Shout out to Jjh for the 1-shot bodyguard death speedrun

Also something to seriously consider about Sakura Hana: if her role is so town what if it's a lie? No one can verify praying to her or not, you know.

[Something_Smart]

I considered the "no action and have a buddy claim vanillaized" play. It's something I would do. I think I rejected it because Enchant would be a terrible target for a scum vanillaizer, but I don't think it's out of the question that I would do it with you.

[Sakura Hana]

ngl, one of NK15's abilities kind of saved me, it allowed GMo to be elimmed without me having to have opinions on him, since i didnt want him to actuall die, and i was having a pretty awkward situation with both him and victorine. Specially with how he literally slipped knowing Victorine's flavor. But since in the end it all happened in the split party day, that helped me a lot to avoid associations.

Btw it's kind of interesting how the sides were split 50/50 scum lol

[Firebringer]

I considered the "no action and have a buddy claim vanillaized" play. It's something I would do. I think I rejected it because Enchant would be a terrible target for a scum vanillaizer, but I don't think it's out of the question that I would do it with you.

okay but literally no one argued it. they just were like "ur scum" and im like "well what about all these mechanic reasons im not do u think all this is fake" they would go "ohh good point"
It was literally people not paying attention to game not like they believed this was scum gambit plays which is different

shout out to JJH he was the hero town didn't deserve with how on point he was in whole game.

[Deimos27]

Again, 13 faith is so much that I don't think there was ever a guarantee of accruing it, no matter the amount of bussing. I think the role was reasonable and we had tools to catch her during the night even if otherwise it would've been pretty difficult to justify a lim there.

[Enchant]

I am not sure if people consider me braindead enough to not block Disloyal Vig claim.

Like it's first thing i called out in scum PT, but no one bat eye really which surprised me.

[Something_Smart]

okay but literally no one argued it. they just were like "ur scum" and im like "well what about all these mechanic reasons im not do u think all this is fake" they would go "ohh good point"
It was literally people not paying attention to game not like they believed this was scum gambit plays which is different

Yeah, that's true.

[Sakura Hana]

Funny thing is, if fire would have tracked me on the night i shot Enchat i would've probably been even "mech conf town" more than i already was LOL
But he was vanillized XD

[Firebringer]

Funny thing is, if fire would have tracked me on the night i shot Enchat i would've probably been even "mech conf town" more than i already was LOL
But he was vanillized XD

i think we were tracking gamma/enchant

[Deimos27]

I considered the "no action and have a buddy claim vanillaized" play. It's something I would do. I think I rejected it because Enchant would be a terrible target for a scum vanillaizer, but I don't think it's out of the question that I would do it with you.

okay but literally no one argued it. they just were like "ur scum" and im like "well what about all these mechanic reasons im not do u think all this is fake" they would go "ohh good point"
It was literally people not paying attention to game not like they believed this was scum gambit plays which is different

shout out to JJH he was the hero town didn't deserve with how on point he was in whole game.

I did mention that you would need to be lying about being vanillaized, but admittedly I never considered that scum would intentionally vanillaize a buddy, no

[Ircher]

Thanks for modding RC. Gg everyone.

[Sakura Hana]

I am not sure if people consider me braindead enough to not block Disloyal Vig claim.

Like it's first thing i called out in scum PT, but no one bat eye really which surprised me.

I know you did, I was worried about that, but i noticed that no one seemed to pay attention to the double death on N4 due to my parity cop, so I thought that people were just getting to the "lazy" moment due to how easy the game seemed to be at that point, specially with another scum dead and 1 left and multiple "confirmed" town.

[Ydrasse]

ice go brrrrr

[Deimos27]

Oh wait you two were talking about a fake vanillaize all along. Yeah I did mention it if not argue it because I didn't believe you were scum firmly enough at any point to argue anything

[Something_Smart]

Town really didn't think very critically about mechanics this game.

I remember a very memorable scumgame where I was spewing some bullshit and then Jingle replaced in and proceeded to make a chart of all the mechanical claims and info and I could immediately tell I was sunk.

Someone like that would have been a godsend for town here. Wouldn't necessarily have made the difference, but it would have been a lot closer.

[Firebringer]

This was a really fun game to play no matter how much i was suffering in the final days, Sakura really pulled it out for scum team and deserved win. Again very fun game, well deserved win. Couldn't ask for better game imo, besides us town playing a little better/smarter but it was def enjoyable.

TY RC!

[Sakura Hana]

Also fun fact.
This game was still miles away from what I usually play as town, if FF14 is any indication, and the only reason I got townread is because of my claim and the ways i used my scum abilities to bus.

[Deimos27]

Town really didn't think very critically about mechanics this game.

I remember a very memorable scumgame where I was spewing some bullshit and then Jingle replaced in and proceeded to make a chart of all the mechanical claims and info and I could immediately tell I was sunk.

Someone like that would have been a godsend for town here. Wouldn't necessarily have made the difference, but it would have been a lot closer.

I certainly never had enough wim to be that guy. I was never solving this one given my level of effort sadly

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't necessarily think it saves town here.

I don't think Sakura did anything that doesn't align with her fakeclaim and i think that she can easily just say "yeah i disloyal vigged [blank] tonight, so we are liming in [other two] without much questioning if the alt wincon doesn't pan through which is the power of scum having coherent fakeclaims and playing to their fakeclaims

I understand SS not going with his fakeclaim in the state of the game but i don't think Sakura can really be trapped mechanically outside of 'how are scum this braindead just sitting and watching while she systematically obliterates them'

[Firebringer]

Town really didn't think very critically about mechanics this game.

I remember a very memorable scumgame where I was spewing some bullshit and then Jingle replaced in and proceeded to make a chart of all the mechanical claims and info and I could immediately tell I was sunk.

Someone like that would have been a godsend for town here. Wouldn't necessarily have made the difference, but it would have been a lot closer.

i personally don't think mechanics should be relied on to win games, but in this game when im nearing end and im not making reads im just eliminating people in poe, i should have thought more critically earlier on that D4 all those deaths, but my brain just never even analyzed it.

tbh all the actions plus blocks/redirects/ confusion just turned my brain off on basically all actions not involving myself from day 2 onwards. I didn't want to figure that puzzle out or care to

[Sakura Hana]

I was mostly worried about Nancy and Cheeky catching me (Nancy does know how to catch me) and they were starting to question stuff, hence, why they died.
I think they and JJH are the only kills we made out of "These guys are playing well as town and need to die before they catch us".
Taly was originally that too, but the kill failed at first i assumed self-targeting doc lol, after killing JJH, and after the split day, Taly wasnt that much of a threat imo, plus we needed to start taking specific roles / clears out, which is why he survived that long.
That reminds me I wonder if Taly was supposed to bait scum into redirecting him.

[Deimos27]

Alright I better haul myself to bed.
Thanks to RC, well played to scum, especially sakura.

Large games definitely just aren't for me.