LicketyQuickety's Mini Normal - 1847

[Garmr]

Well they should quit mafia after doing that.

[Garmr]

Blue is just for LUV if he calims a power then it becomes green

Vote count 1.1

JoshZ - Secret Agent Jin, nn30, Pine,

drealmerz7

,

ThinkBig

,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

JoshZ

LYNCH!!
Lil Uzi Vert -

Dark Horse

(L-6)
Thinkbig - PenguinPower (L-6)
No Lynch - 1 Shot Vanilla Town (L-6)

Not Voting (3):

garmr, gerryoat, Flubbernugget

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JoshZ has been Lynched!!

They were:

Vanilla Town

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So we know scum jumped onto the josh wagon. I doubt there isn't two or more scum on it. Because I know I'm town and I don't think penguin and vanilla town are scum together.

So that leaves

Secret Agent Jin

Pine

nn30

As a chance of being scum.

Vote count 2.4

Shadow_step

- Pine, PenguinPower, 1 Shot Vanilla Town,

Flubbernugget

(L-2)

Flubbernugget

- nn30,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Secret Agent Jin (L-3)

Lil Uzi Vert

-

Dark Horse

(L-5)

1 Shot Vanilla Town -

Shadow_step

(L-5)

Pine -

Garmr

(L-5)

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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I can easily see both scum being on each of the main wagons. Through I could see shadow having two scum on it I can't see flubber having two scum on it. If the other power role roleclaimed these vote analysis would be much easier and potentially show each of the scum lords. Noticing a trend of pine nn30 and secret agent jin here.

Also the vig is probably on shadow steps wagon judging from the fact shadow step was killed. As a vig shot.

Vote count 2.6

Flubbernugget

- nn30,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Secret Agent Jin,

Dark Horse

, Pine,

Garmr

LINCH!

Shadow_step - PenguinPower, 1 Shot Vanilla Town,

Flubbernugget

, (L-3)

1 Shot Vanilla Town -

Shadow_step

(L-5)

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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Flubbernugget has been Lynched!!

They were:

Vanilla Town

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Oh look pine is on every major wagon that is town. What is pine reasoning for him flubber

@462: Because scum.

In fact, this post is evidence to suggest that a shadow_step scumflip should be followed with a lynch of Flubber. Same reasons as before - makes a weak case on buddy, then attacks an actual victim.

Game solved. Drealmerz, TB/SS, Flubber.

GG.

If you check his iso he never gives a individual reason to vote flubber He just says that tb/ss had a weak case on flubber and that made him scum by association. That's a pretty pathetic case.

Hell I'm feeling like I got enough evidence to prove his scum with the flips with the next post.

[Garmr]

Ugh, this game.

Moving on. I'm inclined to look at the latter part of Josh's wagon to try and identify opportunistic scum smelling blood in the water and going for the kill. Looking at the

votes, that suggests to me {Drealmerz, ThinkBig, and LUV}, the 4th, 5th, and 6th votes on him

, respectively. The merit of this approach is immediately evident, as Drealmerz scummed right onto the wagon. Regrettably, I spotted that a little too late D1 to save Josh. Fortunately, Vig/SK saw it too and we don't have to spend a lynch on him. That leaves me to look at ThinkBig and LUV. Of the two, LUV seems to not really grok what's going on in this game, and it comes off as a bit unfeigned. I'm inclined to think the sheep onto the Josh wagon was a genuine sheep off of a well-presented (albeit incorrect) case.

That leaves ThinkBig. Drealmerz and TB both went for Josh in rapid succession, elevating that wagon from an early exploration and pressure to L-2. It's hardly a wonder that newbieTown panicked, felt ostracized, and suicided. Taken as a whole, TB's behavior strikes me as opportunistic, as does his daystart congratulating the Vig. He's a bit new too, so it's hardly inconceivable that he just wouldn't know that that sort of thing is a common overcompensating behavior of disappointed scum, on par with betting too big on a bluff in order to cover the fact that you've got nothing. Attack on Flubber in 210 fits with this theory, as it serves to suppress or discredit new perspectives before they appear.

Vote ThinkBig

Notice how he shift the attention to the latter slots on josh's wagon not the earlier slots. Using drealmerz flip to throw shades on think big and leaving enough doubt for luv while kissing up to him at the same time.

But when all is said and done the last scum is on a earlier point of the wagon. His intentionally setting up lynch opportunities here.

VOTE: Pine

[Garmr]

There's so many small things happening here to be called a coincidence.

[Kmd4390]

Ugh. Can't look at that properly when you color yourself green.

[nn30]

I'll admit I'm really excited by this game

I think this is a Boring-specific town tell.

After the recently finished mini normal, she complained about how she'd rolled scum in every game (I believe four?) that she's been in. She said that she was itching to play town and actually prefers to do it.

This may burn me, but I'm 95% certain Boring is town.

Beyond the meta argument, her recent posts have been good.

[nn30]

@KMD - How do you feel about Jin and Pine?

[Garmr]

Ugh. Can't look at that properly when you color yourself green.

Well I know I'm green but if it annoys you so much why don't you ignore the fact I coloured myself green and look at what i'm trying to say. Instead of not attacking what I posted because I colored myself green.

[Kmd4390]

Nn, yeah boring was nervous about being scum in Wake's massive game. See her team's PT. She played well, but was definitely nervous about it.

Secret Agent almost has to be scum by default. Everyone else is just so damn town.

Pine I'm pretty sure is town because of the dreal flip.

Garmr, yeah I tried. It's just hard to look at that way. Your stuff about Pine feels like confirmation bias more than anything. I look at that and get a secret agent/you team. Mostly because I doubt all three scum voted together on the Day 1 lynch and I'm townreading boring which leaves you and secret agent was on both lynches.

[nn30]

Not liking anything KMD has just said.

This:

Garmr, yeah I tried. It's just hard to look at that way. Your stuff about Pine feels like confirmation bias more than anything. I look at that and get a secret agent/you team. Mostly because I doubt all three scum voted together on the Day 1 lynch and I'm townreading boring which leaves you and secret agent was on both lynches.

Does not jive with these:

Garmr looks town.

Quick thought on that lynch. Either the entire scum team was on the wagon or I need to prepare myself to be wrong about my town reads on garmr or 1 shot. I'll keep this in the back of my mind.

Garmr's thing about having a gut read on dreal that he didn't tell us about doesn't sound like something scum would say. It's more likely to be genuine than a cheap attempt at town cred for getting a read right when there's no evidence of it in thread.
Just realized it's probably not clear where my guesses for scum are. Leaning Lil and secret agent still. I've really been townreading the more active players (nn, pine, garmr)

Garmr's delaying the hammer thing is still a town tell

Plus this post pinged me wrong:

Also I think people should read their roles again since we were rerolled it would be a head fuck if the role cop didn't do any investigation because they didn't read the reroll.

Double checked mine. Still claiming VT. If I'm a power role, I'm stating now that it was a deliberate fakeclaim and not a mistake.

In 796 he's either

1) Scum setting up for a counter claim move
or
2) Town trying to deflect a NK onto them since they've realized that a townie has fake claimed

2 is unilkely since LUV is basically conf town at this point and will be dying tonight. The move, from a town POV, has no utility. I think KMD is a smart enough player to realize this as town.

VOTE: KMD

[Kmd4390]

1) Read 667 again
2) Forgot the delayed hammer
3) I'm voting Secret Agent and trying to decide later which of my town reads is scum.

Also if you think there's any chance at all I'm trying to absorb a NK, why would you tell scum that? And why leave out the third possibility that maybe I was the fakeclaiming power role?

[boring]

@kmd - were you playing an alt in Wake's game, or is my memory just awful?

@nn30, I'm confused about your case. Are you scum reading kmd because of the change of heart and the VT clarification? For the former, I believe kmd gave a pretty decent explanation for the scum lean on garmr (even if I'm not sure I follow the reasoning). As to the latter, I think we're interpreting the motivation differently. I guess I took it as a statement of accountability.

[Kmd4390]

Played as Egg.

[nn30]

why would you tell scum that?

I considered it.

Because I think you're scum. Obviously, scum won't get nk'd by scum.

P-edit: His change of heart doesn't feel genuine. I've scum read people in the past for not making sense based on their past thoughts (and been scum read for it myself). That said, I don't understand where the Garmr scum read comes from, espeically given the volume of town read posts he had on him previously. The fact that you aren't following the reasoning is exactly why I think it's scummy.

[LicketyQuickety]

Vote count 3.4

Secret Agent Jin - Lil Uzi Vert, Kmd4390 (L-2)

boring - Pine (L-3)

Pine - Garmr (L-3)

Kmd4390 - nn30 (L-3)

Not Voting (4): boring, Secret Agent Jin, Kmd4390

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

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[Kmd4390]

The Josh lynch makes no sense.

The possibilities:
1) one scum off the wagon.
---1a) boring was excited for a scum game or intentionally faked excitement as scum
---1b) garmr delayed that hammer as scum
2) scum late on the wagon. This means lil is not a power role and BOTH power roles fake claimed.
3) or all three scum voted josh early.

All three possibilities feel unreasonable and I can't come up with another.

I don't get it...

Preview edit: so it's completely impossible to the point that you have to make scum aware of it? We need to have a talk postgame. Remind me.

Also, Garmr isn't a scum read for me. He's one of the town reads that I need to be open to the idea of being wrong about because I only have one scum read (secret agent). It's called gamestate.

[Garmr]

VOTE: kmd

Nice misrep of my analysis I didn't say there was guaranteed 3 scum on josh i said it was a possibility and there was atleast 2 guaranteed scum and one possibly off the wagon. I don't like the fact you are trying to set up wifom with I may the power role shit.

[Garmr]

The only reason the vote comes off now is if you confirm to be that power role or vanilla town. I hate the wifom shit and rather not put up with it at the momment.

[Garmr]

The Josh lynch makes no sense.

The possibilities:
1) one scum off the wagon.
---1a) boring was excited for a scum game or intentionally faked excitement as scum
---1b) garmr delayed that hammer as scum
2) scum late on the wagon. This means lil is not a power role and BOTH power roles fake claimed.
3) or all three scum voted josh early.

All three possibilities feel unreasonable and I can't come up with another.

I don't get it...

Preview edit: so it's completely impossible to the point that you have to make scum aware of it? We need to have a talk postgame. Remind me.

Also, Garmr isn't a scum read for me. He's one of the town reads that I need to be open to the idea of being wrong about because I only have one scum read (secret agent). It's called gamestate.

You are a possible scum read for me as well because I never liked how penguin power was throwing shade on me for deciding to hold off on a hammer it was a incredible reach and very opportunistic. I also am sick of people trying to tear down my pine case with out actually addressing the points I made.

[Garmr]

It actually annoys me to no end that people try to chainsaw the case by picking a bit that doesn't even debunk the case on pine.

[boring]

JoshZ

- Secret Agent Jin, nn30, Pine,

drealmerz7

,

ThinkBig/Shadow_step

, Lil Uzi Vert,

JoshZ

LYNCH!!
Lil Uzi Vert -

Dark Horse

(L-6)

Thinkbig/Shadow_step

- PenguinPower/Kmd4390 (L-6)
No Lynch - 1 Shot Vanilla Town/boring (L-6)

Not Voting (3): garmr,

gerryoat

,

Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget

- nn30, Lil Uzi Vert, Secret Agent Jin,

Dark Horse

, Pine, Garmr LINCH!

ThinkBig/Shadow_step

- PenguinPower/Kmd4390, 1 Shot Vanilla Town/boring,

Flubbernugget

(L-3)

1 Shot Vanilla Town -

ThinkBig/Shadow_step

(L-5)

I decided to distil the vote counts and remove assumptions. Not sure what to make of them, though.
nn30, Pine, Jin, and LUV were all on both MLs.

[nn30]

Checking who was on wagons isn't super useful Boring. The nature if this game means town are a part of every mislynch.

@Town - in general, what are good things to look for in VCA

[nn30]

The Josh lynch makes no sense.

The possibilities:
1) one scum off the wagon.
---1a) boring was excited for a scum game or intentionally faked excitement as scum
---1b) garmr delayed that hammer as scum
2) scum late on the wagon. This means lil is not a power role and BOTH power roles fake claimed.
3) or all three scum voted josh early.

All three possibilities feel unreasonable and I can't come up with another.

I don't get it...

Preview edit: so it's completely impossible to the point that you have to make scum aware of it? We need to have a talk postgame. Remind me.

Also, Garmr isn't a scum read for me. He's one of the town reads that I need to be open to the idea of being wrong about because I only have one scum read (secret agent). It's called gamestate.

The Josh lynch makes perfect sense. We had no idea that he was just a clueless newbie who literally posted in thread that he didn't read his role pm. What you SHOULD look for is who seems to be fanning flames and who actually hopped on the wagon for genuine thought processes.

[boring]

So who's lying? Why did they agree to the massclaim if they intended to lie?

[Kmd4390]

Garmr, what are you even talking about? I didn't say that you said that. I included it as one of my own possibilities. I was looking at the josh lynch, not your analysis of it.

Whatever. I'm vt. nn was right. I was trying to get scum to kill me. Wasn't convinced it would work, but figured it was worth a try. Also, a power role is trying to stay hidden for some reason. I was trusting them and trying to narrow scum's search by throwing myself back into their pool.

Nn, the point is to see how scum acted with the knowledge that he was town. It's rare for all three scum to vote together. It's rare for no scum to jump on such a tasty mislynch. Basically, scum did something out of the ordinary and what is bugging me is why. But if it's that all three voted together, assuming lil is town, that was dreal's doing and he doesn't strike me as the type to go out of the ordinary like that.

Boring, it's obviously between two people for who lied and it's obvious which of the two power roles they are. Hell, I'm 90% sure I know which of the two it is and it disappoints me that I couldn't protect that person by WIFOMing scum. I'll leave it up to them to elaborate and I understand the reasoning but whatever. The person is obvtown anyway.