Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[skitter30]

Umm how am I pushing teacher over urap if I'm voting urap?

You're right, i'm sorry, i didnt look at the vcs, just at what you were saying. I retract this bit ^^^

[skitter30]

I'm trying to decide if i should trust past!me's reads or present!me's teads

[skitter30]

Basically on vork, i guess

[skitter30]

Day1 vork was incredibly scummy

[skitter30]

I dont understand why pk of all people is getting frustrated here

[skitter30]

JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF. YOUVE MANAGED TO RUIN THIS GAME

Like what is this?

[skitter30]

It feels fake to me

[skitter30]

I'm adding Nero/Vorkuta to the list of town.

Sigh

[skitter30]

I'd guess at least one scum in Pika/U2.

Ok. Imagine we're both ics. Then who would be scum?

Right dp had the random weird townread of urap

[skitter30]

I'd guess at least one scum in Pika/U2.

If so, I’d go urap but I need an explanation.

I take that back. Skitter's town. Pika's town via Skitter.

That leaves U2, teacher, and one of Dunn/Salad.

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

Cinn was really townie tho ...

[skitter30]

in my limited exp. with Shosin she's a lurksack as town so the hyperactivity means this is prob scum.

VOTE: shoshin

Still awful

[skitter30]

Like everything nero posted in that exchange is awful

[skitter30]

His recent push on me is the last straw. Please review how he decides to push me. He's ignoring key pieces of evidence to get me lynched.

Yeah I see what you're saying there. I kinda sympathize with him not doing the meta work tho. back in a few min

He doesn't need to do meta work. He's straight-up making up a story about how lurk more as town than scum based on a sample size of one town game, zero scum games. It's absurd.

And he's intentionally ignoring the links I provided earlier showing that I strongly prefer playing town to scum. These links should prove that I'm more likely to be active as town than scum based solely on motivation behind the alignments.

This isn't something that town does when trying to sort someone who claimed cop.

[skitter30]

c) VOTE: flubber

I think this is better than nero. Do you know how to read nero?

Uh huh

[skitter30]

@shoshin I talked about this somewhere in the mid 40's (pages)

This is such a bizarre response to my question of why Flubb over Nero. It's amazing how much work you're doing to dodge this very simple question about your recent behavior.

[skitter30]

I think we have played once but FMPOV it feels odd that you are using meta to defend Sho but not even considering my meta here.

Again, awful

a claim I know is false

I guess the rolecop thing was planned for a while

I think nero is probably the correct lynch for today

[skitter30]

There's also, you know, urap actively trying to push a wagon off of you and onto flubber

I'm still mystified why you sided with nom over shoshin there

[skitter30]

intent to hammer

Just like ... why is this a thing at that time

[skitter30]

i could switch to urap rn i think too
not really vibing flubber rn

also i think i townread everyone off of the major wagons

I was here as well. I still am okay with any of U2/Nero/Flubb but I would prefer the first two
VOTE: Nero

[skitter30]

Why should have I been voted over flubber?

Why should I have believed sho over nom?

You had like one vote at the time, try again

[skitter30]

Cinn post is anti-partner-y with nero

[skitter30]

You had like one vote at the time, try again

[skitter30]

Nero Cain (2): Shoshin, skitter30

And i voted urap later that page

[skitter30]

Shoshin asked urap to wagon you with her. I was on wagon.
Urap repeatedly refused, instead pushing flubber but couldnt/wouldnt explain why this was a better wagon

While this was going on, flubber got to l-1 and you gave intent.

I'm saying now:

1. I dont know why urap refused to vote for you
2. I dont know why you gave intent there - it wasnt because you were immediately in danger of getting wagoned since you only had 1-2 votes on you at the time

[skitter30]

* getting lynched

[skitter30]

To see if i was forgetting anything important, and apparently i was

If i'm going wrong somewhere feel free to explain why

[skitter30]

If the entirety of my wagon -- U2, Flubb, Nero, Nom, Salad -- was town, scum made a massive mistake not lynching me when they had the chance. I find this very unlikely.

[skitter30]

Aside i found a comment that dp made that let me do some meta-hubting

I'm like 90% certain i know who he is and i'm p sure he's town

[skitter30]

He's who i thought he was, now i have confirmation tho

Why did u give intent to hammer flubber there?

[skitter30]

I think I'm feeling this more now
VOTE: Flubber
Not feeling urap but he's right that flubber is scummier than him here

L-1

Ick

[skitter30]

Not really helping but ok
Also not sure which other game ur referring to

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 1.36

Flubbernugget (5):

Vorkuta, Dunnstral, u r a person 2, Saladman27, nomnomnom

(L-2)

u r a person 2 (4):

teacher, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain, NerfedBuJ

Nero Cain (4):

Shoshin, Detective Pikachu, skitter30, Cinnamon

Not Voting (0):

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 v/la Fridays and Saturdays
- Detective Pikachu v/la Friday through Monday

[skitter30]

I think nero is *ridiculously* scummy during the shoshin thing

Why did the wagon end up on flubber there ???

[skitter30]

Dp/creature is prob town. I'll be minorly shocked if this is a 5/5 split but that doesn't make him right. And he town read urap anyways so I'm not seeing y you are putting stock into his reads other than you just want to believe that I'm scum and anything that fits your view point you like

I said at the time that he doesnt know how to read urap

[skitter30]

Sure. It's Skitter's reason largely. Let me walk you through it a bit.

I scumread (past tense) shoshin for largely the same reasons you did. The issue is that Cop!Sho is also desperate to avoid the lynch. And I always scumread shoshin's playstyle. Normal 2042 is playing large in my memory here. There, I scumread her (107, 220, 763, and others) for the same reason I did here -- alot of OMGUS and self-focus. I even denied a neap Town result in 963. But she was indeed town.

She is playing consistent with that game, and the personality I understand her to play with. Like I think in future when I play with Sho, my gutscum pings are going to be town indicative.

Maybe scum have a strongman

[skitter30]

For the love of god do not lynch Nero.

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 1.39

Flubbernugget (6):

Vorkuta, Dunnstral, u r a person 2, Saladman27, nomnomnom, Nero Cain

(L-1)

Nero Cain (6):

Shoshin, Detective Pikachu, skitter30, Cinnamon, teacher, Flubbernugget

(L-1)

u r a person 2 (1):

NerfedBuJ

Not Voting (0):

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 v/la Fridays and Saturdays
- Detective Pikachu v/la Friday through Monday

Flavor:

Sometimes I want to use my computer, but Buster's just passed out in front of it like

Spoiler:

[skitter30]

Nero insulted me, he must be scum.-skitter 7/22/19

Yes, this is an accurate representation of my read on you, good job

[skitter30]

buj if you're town please vote flubber

Urap trying v had to make flubber a thing

[skitter30]

Yes, I understand that's how you're interpreting things. Interpreting things in this way assumes that Nom's town, so I'd like to know why you're townreading Nom. You don't have an answer for this, which makes me think you're informed about Nom's alignment & you sheeped Nom on me because I was a cop claim with multiple townies voting me (scum's fantasy scenario).

[skitter30]

you guys know who is really a good vote? teacher.

VOTE: teacher

Bujaber says we're voting urap or teacher today

[skitter30]

My hubris says I was right on p9 but urap didn't hammer me yesterday b/c???? Maybe I'm getting pocketed but I wanna give that some town cred.

lets vote teacher.

[skitter30]

@skitter you know, I just think this is what's happening:

either you're scum

either the scums are just parroting what you're saying because it's convenient, and that's what I need to analyze right now

in both cases it's really bad and you REALLY should be reconsidering your position on a few things. This is just straight up bad.

[skitter30]

This is just too much pressure and I want the way out for today

Day1 vork was incredibly scummy

@ vork

[skitter30]

Ok guys- how about we take a step back and think about the miller claim for a bit?

Assuming we forget the first few pages (where he claimed, and when he discussed), is bunny town or not?

[skitter30]

I dont know, i'm trying to figure that out

[skitter30]

This is just too much pressure and I want the way out for today

I don't know

But why has town! Nero been scummy all freaking game?

[skitter30]

This is just too much pressure and I want the way out for today

I don't know

But why has town! Nero been scummy all freaking game?

[skitter30]

@ vork

I mean... that applies for pretty damn most of my games I suppose.
Anything in particular you want commentary on?

Because you're quoting quite a few things right now

A lot of what i'm quoting is for me

Why were you pushinng cinn so hard day1

[skitter30]

I'm having a lot of trouble resolving thr info that i have into a two-man scumteam that makes sense

[skitter30]

im town b/c if I had a nk you'd be dead

Why (this is from day2)

[skitter30]

I wasn't. I erroneously believed that rolecop+Miller was a likely setup so I had decided that I wanted to fake push that to see who jumped on. I then moved on to my real scum read, urap

Sorry, what was this a response to?

[skitter30]

Contrary to what skitter is saying about Nero, I think urap would make more sense based on the wagons yesterday. Nero had quite a bit of pressure on him and votes were there as well but urap never got above 4 votes throughout the whole day.

I'm trying to decide if these sort of posts are out of cinn's scumrange

[skitter30]

NC is basically lock town because shoshin was nk'd

Hmmmm maybe this is why shoshin died

[skitter30]

I'm beginning to think the wagons yesterday were TvT; my reasons for scumreading Nero were pretty meh as well. I'd be looking at Dunn, salad, or urap for a lynch today.

Are you still browsing or what, by the way? There are votes on Urap, salad, and me

For a few reasons I've been generally less active the past couple days, I haven't caught up until now.

VOTE: salad

I'm not sold on the idea that's going around of bad reads from urap --> scum urap. I think it's very possible he just doesn't have the time to reevaluate the game right now. On the other hand, I find salad's play here very easy to do as scum and his actions haven't been very helpful for town and are likely to continue this way. A major difference for me is that I think urap will be easier to figure out later in the game than saladman.

Hmmmm maybe not

[skitter30]

thats slimey all over, especially if he's the one making that the conclusion

Yeah i dont see the logic for that conclusion like in-thread anywhere

[skitter30]

I'm not voting until i feel like i've solved the game

[skitter30]

Im not actually a miller, k?


Im totally not. ignore that totally false claim.

Just like why is this a thing again

Why has pk still not claimed

Why did nero not check this

So many questions

[skitter30]

But dont cop me, just to be sure

Oh even more interesting

[skitter30]

Can you simply tell me why urap isnt an ass but is just a townie with real feels

[skitter30]

Obvious Question:

Why wasnt nero wagoned today?

What happened to this

[skitter30]

Okay. You should know that cinn was at least being honest when he said he had multiple parts stapled to his alignment.

Seriously dude just fucking claim

If you're town here there is absolutely no reason not to

[skitter30]

I know you didn't vote him, yet you had the same mindset as me, yet you find I am scummy for it? I don't get it.

I'm inherently objecting to the (possible?) Fake-claim, i'm objecting to the fact that if its fake cinn coasted on it to get town-cred for over a dayphase knowing that it was faje
Fake-claiming is not inherently ai (even if its awful), even thlough you keep pushing it like it is

I think i should just trust past!me maybe

[skitter30]

I didn't check piss for the same reason that you didn't. We were town reading him.

... i didnt check piss because i'm literally incapable of checking anyone; i'm vt

[skitter30]

I'd pl Piss at this point. I would like to be correct on urap but his fast unopposed wagon kinda freaks me out. Is town coming together? Is scum opportunistically voting him?

Oh right, this was a thing too

[skitter30]

Why did u defend the urap wagon, again?

[skitter30]

I feel like the jist of urap is that he is sorting. why was he wagoned so hard before the flubber/nero wagons again?

[skitter30]

Cuz i'm p sure you called me scummy for joining the wagon too fast, and now i'm scummy for avoiding it; it doesnt reallh make sense to have it both ways

[skitter30]

But I do agree the NK points towards town!nero, even with all the wifom on that.

and this is from a guy voting me? obviously, he's going to claim that our interactions are scummy or some such but FMPOV this is just scum that's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

I like urap’s positioning (on Deanius/Flubber/life) least. Also a lot more open to Salad.

VOTE: urap

like here he's voting urap

Skitter asked for an unvote saying it was L-1, and I didnt have time to check but didnt mind slowing down the day.

unvotes b/c Skitter asked him to.

I’m fine with a urap lynch- I don’t have a strong read there.

Still scum reading/willing to lynch urap

but I still dont have strong scum inclinations (kudos, btw, to the scums).

I think this is just scum being cheeky about not having any good reads. It gives him the excuse to hop on any wagon under the guise of "im just sheeping b/c I gots no strong scum reads"

because I didnt like the build on him and the difficulty on you.

there are two problems with this post. One, the main resistance to my wagon are all his town reads. If he actually thought I was scum he should think that it's my scumbuddies that are the ones that offer resistance.

two, he didn't really call out the urap wagon.

like he'll invoke

Today, the vast majority of the town!flubber lynch wagon comes together on URAP rather rapidly, and the one of the two off (Nero) has certainly expressed interest/willingness to go there as well.

As proof that he did but there were no names about who was scum and it was vague. Also, 2921 proves he didn't even care about that since he was still willing to lynch there.

It also seems weird to me that Skitter says I'm scummy for "defending" urap.

I'd pl Piss at this point. I would like to be correct on urap but

his fast unopposed wagon kinda freaks me out.

Is town coming together? Is scum opportunistically voting him?

but doesn't think teacher is scummy for the same reason? That's selective and a good associative between the two.

Nero + Dunn + (Urap/Salad)?

And here he's still kinda calling urap/saald scum but not voting urap b/c ??? I guess he's gonna claim that the quotations mean he's not as sure on him.

There have already been 2 claims today so FMPOV wagoning a third player (me) is just trying to force another claim but he's trying to write it off as some contradiction.

Teacher dies after U r a person 2 flips scum

Tell me why Town!me shouldnt read this as a bus to get towncred and setup a mislynch.

but here he says that FHPOV Dunn-urap is a bus

URaP might be a bus. Im less confident on him than I am on you.

but slightly backtracks here.

I think bujaber died to set up a teacher push after the urap flip, except incidentally teacher got vigged

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 2.9

u r a person 2 (4):

NerfedBuJ, Saladman27, Dunnstral, nomnomnom

(L-2)

Nero Cain (4):

skitter30, teacher, pisskop, Detective Pikachu

(L-2)

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

teacher (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (1):

u r a person 2

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-08 11:00:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 is v/la Fridays and Saturdays
- u r a person 2 and Saladman27 have 24 hours to respond to their prods

Flavor:

Spoiler:

Maybe these were just competing scum wagons. If we accept town!nom there was no scum on irap here

[skitter30]

if hammer goes through while I'm offline

Spoiler:

Weak hider: Dunn
Weak visitor: Vork
Weak motion detector: nom
Weak doctor: salad
Weak fruit vendor: teacher
Weak tracker: nero
Weak babysitter: [gated, cannot use tonight]

I think dp was trying to gambit himself killed

[skitter30]

VOTE: teacher

While dunn was pushing urap/teacher and canvassing a hammer vote on urap

[skitter30]

Like i said, it's more for me than anyone else at this point

Now hush and let me do my thing

[skitter30]

I'm mid day3 and only on p 147

So taking a break now

[skitter30]

note to self: check vork and cinn scumgames

[skitter30]

cinn doesn't appear to have any non-marathon scumgames, which is sad

[skitter30]

Pk if nero flips scum who do u lynch tomorrow?

[skitter30]

Same question for creature, vork, and nom

[skitter30]

Im going to very politely remind the town that at least one wolf is 'deepwolf' and has spent pages trying to town it up. and that theres a literal fucking 1v1 and nom is suggesting we lynch offhand.

Name names

While you're at it, claim

[skitter30]

Logically it can only be PK right? In every scenario.
The only thing that scares me is how Creature is playing with his vote around but like, yeah. It's PK probably, which is why I think it's not that bad of a plan lynching there, if that's what you wanna do.

Yeah, i think so.

The two things that are troubling me:

1. Cinn's early game felt townie
2. Why wouldnt pk/nero coordinate the miller thing better

Dp was town so

[skitter30]

Ok sure
Pk you're voting before i am

No lynch is not an acceptable vote

[skitter30]

Scum is you and vork but thank God skitter is trying to help the scum wincon and nom is just confused

Try not to spend the whole game advancing a scum wincon next time, ty

[skitter30]

VOTE: vork

Didnt u just tell me you would vote nero

[skitter30]

I'm kinda at the point where if pk is town i'm ok just losing if i'm wrong and giving him credit for the loss because he's being ridiculously uncooperative and i dont know what else to do at this point

[skitter30]

Idk what that meand and i'm still more than a little frustrated that you won'r like claim

I'm annoyed at nero for not checking him too, but if he's scum that's ok then

[skitter30]

Like not claiming in mylo is like pl-able imo

[skitter30]

I'm more confident on nero being scum

[skitter30]

Its you and vork skit.

And you're back at this for no discernable reason

Ok i'm kinda at the point that if i'm wrong i'm wrong

I'd rather nero today

[skitter30]

I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.

[skitter30]

I feel like its probably just the simple answer but i'm slightly nervous that all of this noise is coloring that decision

[skitter30]

If you're going to flip green stop making yoday difficult, ty

[skitter30]

I honestly dont think its sunk in that this is endgame, right here. We dont get another chance if you continue to fuck this up guys.

Oh it's sunk in, and o'm trying to not fuck it up, you're making it more than a little bit difficult

[skitter30]

pk, i said that the two things that are holding me back from a you/nero team are:

a) cinn could be outside their scumrange; idk and i don't have any way to check this

b) i feel like you/nero could have coordinated the rolecop/miller thing better

i have no idea what you're doing regarding claiming, an it makes it hard to read you and it makes me want to policy you

i also don't know who else would be nero's partner here besides for you

[skitter30]

:faceplam:

Skittervis still try to force a scum read on me even if it makes no sense

It makes a lot od sense, thank you

[skitter30]

I think i'm ready to vote nero

[skitter30]

I'm honestly still scared about going to the 1v1 I'll be honest.

I feel like it's nero but i'm nervous to commit and i'm nervous to go out of the 1v1 and i feel like vork has gonr radio silent and ahauiahhaucaha

I'm fairly confident you and creature are town

I dont yhink vork/nero is a thing

So maybe pk really is thr best for today

[skitter30]

Should we just do it?

Gut says nero is the right vote today tho

[skitter30]

Pk any final words?

[skitter30]

Gah this is confusing

[skitter30]

Nom is being kind of scummy, don't you think skit?

Dont you think i'm scum?

[skitter30]

Gah i hate having to decide who to vote in mylo, its v stressful :/

I think i'm ready to do it but !><!^8!&jajUh

[skitter30]

I think nero is just scum tho

And tbqh i basically always listen to my gut in lylo and i've voted wrong in lylo ... exactly once so i trust my gut more than anything else, i think

Gut says its just nero/pk

[skitter30]

I know but gut says nero is still the right vote

[skitter30]

We'd still need creature or vork too

[skitter30]

Let's take it one step at a time.


Lets resolve the 1v1 by killing one of nero/vork. Nero is obviously (to me) not faking.

Then we can talk about nom once she kills critter.

If you want to resolve the 1v1 tofay i want to vote nero

I also think your nom scumread like just magically developed in the past couple of pages, and that you're now talking to me like you think i'm town

[skitter30]

Yes

[skitter30]

I'm nervous that if we live in a scum!vork world he'll hammer

But i'm aware that's a riculous thing to worry about because who else would be vork's partner here if not pk ?

[skitter30]

Bleh i hate making decisions

Sorry if this is wrong :/

VOTE: pk

[skitter30]

I dont entirely understand your logic

[skitter30]

Just going to confirm I am town.

Oh good, happy i was right here

This actually makes me feel a lot better

[skitter30]

Ok this is the right vote unless vork/nero which i think is ridiculous

[skitter30]

And barring pk/creature which is also ... not likely

[skitter30]

Ok this is the right vote unless vork/nero which i think is ridiculous

This is ridiculous, right?

[skitter30]

Uhhhh

[skitter30]

well i'm happy i was right, at least

[skitter30]

@mod

I, the scum, concede

skit, unvote, and watch

opps. wait. theres 2 scum left

Mod, are you present?

Im feelin ta self hammer when mod comes along, and save us this fucking agony

i mean i'm taking these to be literal scumclaims so

[skitter30]

You're confusing me greatly

[skitter30]

Oh :/

Sorry everyone

Not sure i would have ever gotten to nom!scum here

Well played nom

[skitter30]

The Mafia team of nomnomnom, Vorkuta, and u r a person 2 have achieved their win condition. Congratulations!

What on earth

[skitter30]

Fucking skitter

Sorry :/

[skitter30]

I feel like actually conceding as a non-scum should be against the spirit of the game

This really confused me

If you hadnt done the conceding thing i probably would have unvoted

Not sure it would have mattered since i would have voted nero

Gah i dont think i was this wrong in a while

[skitter30]

Fucking skitter

Sorry :/

I should apologize. when I suspected you were scum I shut you out

Yeah

I needed you to work with me and talk to me and explain what you were thinking, but that wasnt happening qnd i could not figure out what you were doing so it ended up defaulting to being scummy

[skitter30]

Bleh sorry nero for getting tunneled for like a month :/

But well played scum, thanks ofhrz

Also first time getting lylo wrong in like ... a year and a half

I dont think i would have ever considered voting nom today tho so i'm not sure i ever would have gotten to the correct solve

[skitter30]

I would have voted nero tho cuz i was tunneled

That's what i'm saying, i dont think i would have voted right even if i voted elsewhere

[skitter30]

Also nero you should have checked pk

[skitter30]

my play made a lot of sense.

We'll just have to agree to disagree

[skitter30]

Also maybr i should have been more suspicious about nom conftowning me because i'm still not sure i understood the logic there

[skitter30]

Also i really, really, really fucking hate it when town:

A) fake-claims for no reason
B) fake-claims in lylo

[skitter30]

Yeah, i dont know if i would have gotten to the correct solve here

[skitter30]

Do u wanna know who i think u are?

[skitter30]

Krazy, reasonably confident

[skitter30]

Oh i really just wanted to know if i won the alt-hunting mini game

I was basically clearing creature on a metaread of you and i dont think i was going to change my mind there any time soon

[skitter30]

Shoshin i disagree that fake-claiming cop there was a good idea

[skitter30]

Basically because:

1. You're more valuable to town being alive on day2 as a vt than dying n1 as a fake-cop

2. It induced too much chaos in the gamestate, giving scum *quite* a lot of leeway. There are many universes where you get lynched here despite claiming cop, esp. if i wasnt here to defend you. It basically threw the whole game off track and gave scum room to manipulate the game to their benefit while town was distracted by the fake-claim stuff - this is ehat nom accused me of doing, which is still a ridiculous accusation btw

3. If you don't die (say teacher had saved you), you'd either eventually need to come clean about the claim (and that would probably have put you in hot water again), or continue lying (and fucking with people's ability to try to utilize setup spec; i really, really hate when people lie in a way that could impact this)

[skitter30]

Eh well at least i got {one scum in nero/nom} right, even if i was wrong on which it was

[skitter30]

Do you think faking cop to soak a 1-shot strongman would have been a bad strategy for someone like Salad?

Not necessarily

It also would not have necessarily been believed, and he could well have gotten lynched through it

I also dont know if you die n1 if you dont claim cop

[skitter30]

Nom i want to be ur scum partner at some point lol